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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-13-22 09:26 PM - Post#339084 Tigers #6 seed in "Bottom right" of bracket get #3 seed VCU in Richmond. Go Tigers!
LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 456	03-13-22 09:36 PM - Post#339087 tough draw.. They come in waves, and it is a brutal place to play. at least we have some time to rest and prepare. go Tigers!
umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476	03-13-22 09:42 PM - Post#339089 Ironically, they just got knocked out of the quarterfinals of the A-10 Tournament by the Chris Mooney led Richmond Spiders on their way to the A-10 championship.
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3686	03-13-22 10:04 PM - Post#339094 Game is on Tuesday, which means one day off against a VCU team with 3 days rest. Another reason missing the NCAAs stinks - the guys don't even get proper rest and prep time.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-13-22 10:49 PM - Post#339107 Just go out there and drive it like you stole it. Have fun playing with your guys as long as you can.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-13-22 11:03 PM - Post#339108 VCU is one of best 3-pt defenses in the country so something will have to give. Let’s hope Tigers will be loose and get their shooting touch back. VCU plays 3 guys more than 30 minutes a game but 10 guys have played regular minutes for them Starting 5 go 6’9”, 6’6”, 6’4”, 6’4”, 6’1” so not huge, although 3 other players 6’8” and 6’9” have averaged 10+ minutes a game. Hope the guys can relax and have fun.
Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819	03-14-22 09:06 AM - Post#339124 It’s hard to get excited about the NIT.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-14-22 09:09 AM - Post#339126 I’m always excited about Princeton basketball.
palestra38 Professor Posts 32943	03-14-22 09:16 AM - Post#339128 Congrats on a championship season. It is a shame that Princeton lost almost singlehandedly on the matchup of Llewellyn and Swain in the final minutes yesterday. Give Yale some credit though---they won 2 games holding a 1 possession lead in the last minute. A very hard fought game--I'm glad I was there to see it.
Go Green PhD Student Posts 1159	03-14-22 10:22 AM - Post#339134 Tiger69 Said: It’s hard to get excited about the NIT. You weren't excited about 1999?
LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 456	03-14-22 11:39 AM - Post#339142 you mean 1975?
ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 341	03-14-22 11:51 AM - Post#339144 Tigers hit their peak in first half vs. Cornell, surging to 15 point lead. Held on, barely, in one of the most exciting 20 minutes I remember. Tired legs in first half vs. Yale resulted in a lot of missed 3's, the Tgiers' lifeblood. Yale was tired as well, but had enough of a cushion to hold on, barely. Shame to lose that way. Little time either to prepare, or to rest, for VCU. Hope they fly there today.
Go Green PhD Student Posts 1159	03-14-22 11:52 AM - Post#339145 LocalTiger Said: you mean 1975? That, too! I was four in 1975. But I did attend the Tigers-Xavier game in 1999 when I was living in Cincinnati. Some buddies of mine sat in the Princeton section. Indeed, we sat next to a guy who claimed he was a Princeton student who hitch-hiked from campus to make the game. Hell of a game, but Xavier eventually prevailed. It was, in a word, exciting.
joe nassau Sophomore Posts 150	03-14-22 01:31 PM - Post#339153 That was the Chris Young Spencer Gloger team?
ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 341	03-14-22 02:15 PM - Post#339158 Men are on ESPNU at 7 pm. Will the women's game be televised? What network?
Albert08 Masters Student Posts 574	03-14-22 02:45 PM - Post#339165 Womens' game will be televised on the main ESPN channel on Sat. March 19 at 4:00 pm. As usual, it will also be available on ESPN+ for the streamers.
Go Green PhD Student Posts 1159	03-14-22 03:07 PM - Post#339168 joe nassau Said: That was the Chris Young Spencer Gloger team? Can't remember if Gloger was on that team, but Young certainly was. Indeed, he single-handedly kept the Tigers in the game at the old Cincinnati Gardens. One of the best performances by a freshman that I've ever seen.
ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 341	03-14-22 04:12 PM - Post#339180 Thank you. I expect the Tigers to give a good account of themselves. Not so sure about the men. A lot of travel, no time to prepare and the devastating emotional let down of the Yale loss will all take a toll.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-14-22 06:48 PM - Post#339193 The 1999 team was led by Brian Earl and Gabe Lewullis' who were seniors that year. Chris Young was a freshman. Gloger did not show up until the following year. That was a great team that made a really fun run in the NIT, beginning with a comfortable victory over Georgetown 10 years after the famous battle in Providence. John Thompson II sat in the balcony section at Jadwin. The Tigers then won the last game ever played at storied Reynolds Coliseum in front of a wild sellout crowd. Third round game was at Xavier. The Tigers went up big. I remember thinking they would coast into the semifinals at the Garden but they ran out of gas in the 2nd half. That was a great era of Princeton basketball, which included two first round NCAA tournament victories in '96 and '98 (and an almost run to the Sweet 16). My parents took me to see the Tigers beat Providence to win the NIT at the Garden in 1975 (I still have the program!). It is one of my earliest memories of Princeton basketball and that game set the hook in me for life. Back then, the NCAA tournament only accepted 32 teams and no more than two teams from any one conference so there were some terrific teams in the NIT (Until 1973 (?), the NCAA only allowed one team per conference into the tournament). The Tigers crushed Holy Cross by 21 points and then South Carolina by 19 (!). The Gamecocks were coached by the legendary Frank McGuire and starred future NBA all star Alex English and future NBA players Mike Dunleavy (sr.) and Tom Boswell. They beat Oregon with its all time leading scorer and future NBA all star Ron Lee by 1 point in a game that was televised on national broadcast TV (the NIT was still a big deal back then), before soundly defeating Providence for the title.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 07:42 AM - Post#339231 VCU -7 https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaab/college-basket... Analytics fans will love this game as there are contrasting stats all over the place. “VCU will bring its toughness and defense, a unit that is one of the best in the country. It ranks fourth in adjusted defensive efficiency, fifth in defensive rating and fourth in effective field goal percentage. The Rams are also fourth in turnover percentage. “As much as VCU excels at forcing turnovers, it’s just as bad at protecting the ball at the other end. The Rams are 347th in turnover percentage offensively. The turnovers drag down an offense that ranks 239th in adjusted offensive efficiency.” … “Princeton shoots a heavy amount of 3-pointers, ranking 11th in the nation in point distribution from beyond the arc. Specifically, the catch-and-shoot 3 will be problematic for VCU, as the Tigers are 11th in frequency and 10th in efficiency on catch-and-shoot triples. The Rams are 333rd in the nation in defending the catch-and-shoot 3.”
palestra38 Professor Posts 32943	03-15-22 08:26 AM - Post#339234 The Armond Hill-Barnes Hauptfuher team. My freshman year at Penn, in a year when today, the Ivies probably would have gotten both to the NCAA's
SecS3 Junior Posts 246	03-15-22 10:29 AM - Post#339244 I too was at the Garden in '75. Saw all but the South Carolina game. Pete did his imitation of the teaberry shuffle coming off the court after the Oregon game. What I remember most about the Providence game was that the Tigers had about a 7 pt. lead with around six minutes to go. There was no shot clock then and Providence sat back in a zone so Princeton with content to just dribble around and pass the ball back and forth near center court to run out the clock. (I know, I know. No comments needed about boring basketball and slow down offenses) Providence fans started booing thinking they should advance the ball so they could get it back. Princeton basically just shrugged their shoulders and said, you want it, come get it. When Providence finally realized the Tigers were content to just run out the clock, they finally came out of their zone and pressed. Princeton immediately went back door for a score. The frustration on Providence's faces was priceless. Providence had a high scorer, a gunner actually, as they were called in those days, who the Tigers frustrated beyond belief. If memory serves me correctly his name was Joey Hasset. He was taking shots from the Statue of Liberty to try and get his points. I think it was Mickey Steuerer that smothered him. The NIT was indeed a much bigger deal in those days as I believe only 48 teams made the NCAA tournament and 16 made the NIT. It was before there were a zillion at large bids so the NIT always had a really strong field. One of the benefits (there aren't too many ) of being old is I got to witness not only that year but the Final4 run. I guess that's a quintessential definition of the good old days.
Tiger84 Senior Posts 380	03-15-22 11:41 AM - Post#339252 That Georgetown game was also noteworthy for the fact that Lewullis, Earl, Rocca, Young and El-Nokali played the entire game. No subs.
palestra38 Professor Posts 32943	03-15-22 12:00 PM - Post#339257 The advantage of being old is the alternative...
SecS3 Junior Posts 246	03-15-22 01:25 PM - Post#339263 That it is indeed. It happens to all (most) of us so savor it while it lasts. The only alternative is the alternative. Which at this point still sucks more.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 06:11 PM - Post#339270 Great memories. And yes the Friars bomber was Joey Hassett. You have a few years on me—I was 10 in 1975 and am class of ‘86–but I share your sentiments about aging. Go Tigers!
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:14 PM - Post#339273 Pretty good start against VCU. Ram D is crazily aggressive but their scoring is based on guys bulling to the rim and they turn it over a lot.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 07:17 PM - Post#339274 Looks like Tosan might have hurt his shoulder with than uncontested stroll and jam, though.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 07:23 PM - Post#339276 Not again with the 3-pt shooting! Should be blowing these guys out of their gym.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:24 PM - Post#339277 They don't have an answer for Tosan. I think Wright might have had a case on getting fouled on his drive--the defender was drifting.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:28 PM - Post#339278 Tigers are obviously having some trouble adjusting to VCU's length and jumping ability around the rim, but are keeping their composure and keeping it close. A little more luck on the threes and they'd be ahead by a couple of possessions.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 07:29 PM - Post#339279 Really hard to watch this again. Tigers 2/10 from 3-pt range. Having no problems so far against VCU's vaunted defense and driving nicely, though. Tigers playing negligible defense so far. Reminds me of the the old NBA of the 70s. Down 5 with Tosan at the line.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:29 PM - Post#339280 On the other end, the Tigers are not able to stop Ram drives by multiple guys. I hate to say it again, but...Zone time?
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 07:30 PM - Post#339281 This is much more of a Princeton pace than the Yale game. VCU has some guys that have some serious hang time on their drives, though.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:32 PM - Post#339283 Old-school backdoor reverse layup by Langborg.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:35 PM - Post#339284 VCU hitting more treys than PU--didn't see that coming.
1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2281	03-15-22 07:36 PM - Post#339285 We will not make any three's if we fake and drive into the trees.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 07:36 PM - Post#339286 Gotta start making shots or this game could get away from them. And yes, time to try something else on defense. VCU is not a good ball handling team. Make them sweat a little with the 1-3-1 and good things could happen.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 07:37 PM - Post#339287 Yeah, up until this point both teams are pretty much getting whatever shots they want.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 07:41 PM - Post#339288 VCU hang time on the drive strikes again. That was good defense by Princeton, but what can you do?
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:42 PM - Post#339289 VCU has multiple Dingles in terms of driving and finishing.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 07:43 PM - Post#339290 Wright with the great finish to cut the lead to seven. Tigers have them right where they want them.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 07:44 PM - Post#339291 Some serious athleticism on the VCU team on both ends. This is the highest ranked KP team Princeton has played all year--we can see why.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 07:45 PM - Post#339292 That said, they are somewhat undisciplined and sloppy, at least relative to Princeton.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 07:46 PM - Post#339293 Frustrating half to say the least. VCU forced the Tigers off the 3-pt line but the Tigers still got a lot of wide open looks. They just shot a lot of blanks--short, long and sideways. 2/12 from 3. It looked like VCU was really hesitant on offense at the beginning of the half but once they figured out that the Tigers wouldn't or could't guard them, they just worked it in and hit a ton of easy shots. Down 7, Tigers are still in this thing if they can make some damn shots.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 07:50 PM - Post#339294 VCU for some reason really slowed it down late instead of driving successfully into the lane. This gave Princeton a chance to regroup a bit.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:04 PM - Post#339296 The VCU hang time drives and double clutch in the air hoops are keeping them ahead, barely.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:05 PM - Post#339297 At least the IL tourney should have given the Tigers practice in getting hacked without getting any calls. But their D has been putrid.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:06 PM - Post#339298 The D hasn't been great on either side, truthfully. Sometimes VCU can recover with an athletic block but both teams are getting plenty of good looks.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:07 PM - Post#339299 Did the NIT hire the Ivy tournament refs? Both sides are getting mugged out there.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:09 PM - Post#339301 TigerFan Said: Did the NIT hire the Ivy tournament refs? Both sides are getting mugged out there. Most definitely. Only 9 total fouls called all game--and at times this has been a physical contest inside.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:09 PM - Post#339302 Jaelin has been magnificent but a few times he's trying to do just a little too much on his own. The crazy "no-place-to-land-no-plac e-to throw-it" wrist flip for 2 was one for the books, though.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:11 PM - Post#339303 Yes, both sides have had some impressive in the air hoops tonight with high degrees of difficulty. And Tosan has been fantastic, period.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:12 PM - Post#339304 This is another game where the percentages say that Princeton should be taking some chances on defense to try to pressure the ball and get steals. VCU is ready to cough it up at any moment, but when they don't they have multiple one-on-one options that Princeton hasn't been able to stop.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:13 PM - Post#339305 Tigers 2/3 from deep this half. Keep it up fellas!
palestra38 Professor Posts 32943	03-15-22 08:13 PM - Post#339306 I like the way this game is heading . Within 4 against a team that can drive to the hoop at will. Just have to hit some 3s.' Go Princeton!
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:15 PM - Post#339307 That was quite the stuff of Tosan, although he did get fouled by the other VCU player. I'm guessing that didn't happen too often to him in Ivy season.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:19 PM - Post#339308 I'll tell you, they could have a 5 minute highlight show of all of the spectacular hoops by both teams tonight. Exciting!!
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:21 PM - Post#339309 VCU really turned it up a notch but the Tigers are hanging in there. Now 4/6 from deep for the half, although a couple of bad turnovers led to buckets for the Rams. Just gotta keep hanging around and they'll have a chance.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:21 PM - Post#339310 I sense that Langborg may have to come up big for Princeton to win. He's been getting the best looks and his lightning release negates most of the fast close-outs by the athletic Ram defenders.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:25 PM - Post#339311 Tigers do have to play just a leetle bit of defense though.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:25 PM - Post#339312 Great hustle and effort by Wright but the VCU athleticism claimed another victim there. Really been the story tonight--has bailed them out on both ends.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:30 PM - Post#339313 Langborg was open and not seen at first, but managed to hit a cutting Llewellyn for a hoop, then later hit another open three when VCU had extended to a ten-point lead. Look for Langborg!
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:31 PM - Post#339314 Princeton has them right where they want them. Time for a 3 point flurry to make it nail biting time down the stretch.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:31 PM - Post#339315 Tigers are not taking advantage of VCU being loose with the ball. Looks like it would be worth it for them to press a little. Their "normal" defense just isn't doing anything to stop these guys.
1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2281	03-15-22 08:31 PM - Post#339316 Interesting screed about the facilities and program at VCU, but no mention of class time (not to sound too snarky).
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:32 PM - Post#339317 I'd say that the vast majority of the 3s taken this game by both teams have been pretty open looks. They're there, which is why Princeton should be able to tighten things up here.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:34 PM - Post#339318 The 1-3-1 forced a VCU stop, but VCU corraled the rebound and extends the possession.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:34 PM - Post#339319 Finally, the 1-3-1 appears and looks pretty good. Can't let VCU steal the ball after rebounding it, though.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:35 PM - Post#339320 SRP Said: Langborg was open and not seen at first, but managed to hit a cutting Llewellyn for a hoop, then later hit another open three when VCU had extended to a ten-point lead. Look for Langborg! You called it!!
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:35 PM - Post#339321 Langborg again! He is way more open out there than his teammates.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:37 PM - Post#339322 Gotta stick with the 1-3-1. It at least gives them a bit of a chance on D. Langborg is on fire!
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:38 PM - Post#339323 TigerFan Said: Gotta stick with the 1-3-1. It at least gives them a bit of a chance on D. Langborg is on fire! It prevents those acrobatic drives down the lane, for sure. Nearly resulted in a turnover even before the missed shot, too.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:40 PM - Post#339324 Langborg again on the backdoor goaltend, although that was almost another great play thwarted by VCU athleticism.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:40 PM - Post#339325 Getting absolutely destroyed on the boards. 1-3-1 forcing misses but VCU getting the cutbacks every time.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:43 PM - Post#339326 Llewellyn really being bothered by the aggressive on-ball D by the VCU big guards. Having trouble handling the ball against their ball pressure, which is putting the offense a bit out of sync.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:47 PM - Post#339327 VCU coach during the timeout clearly did not explain to his team how to break the 1-3-1. They are dribbling right into it and surprisingly not being effective.
umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476	03-15-22 08:47 PM - Post#339328 1-3-1 with Tosan up top leads to mismatches on the boards. Need to gang rebound.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:48 PM - Post#339329 As long as were within 9 with 40 seconds to play, we're ok.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:48 PM - Post#339330 Yeah, they are afraid to throw that diagonal pass over the top, probably because they are generally so turnover-prone. Let's make them pass the ball a lot and not do so much dribbling.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:50 PM - Post#339331 Down ten with 90 seconds left and VCU with the ball. Not looking too good, but high variance outcome is still possible with a shaky ball-handling team like VCU's.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:51 PM - Post#339332 VCU broke that pressure a lot better than Yale.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 08:57 PM - Post#339333 The Friborg miss on the 1 and 1 basically ended it right there, otherwise that could have been an interesting final 30 seconds.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:57 PM - Post#339334 Freiberg missing the front end of the one and one is killer.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 08:57 PM - Post#339335 Had a chance to make it interesting but Drew missed the front end of the one and one. FT shooting once again is miserable.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-15-22 08:59 PM - Post#339336 VCU hitting its highest point total of the season kind of fits the narrative for Princeton this year. Princeton missing a ton of good trey looks does not.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 09:02 PM - Post#339337 That game was there for the taking but its a lot to ask the guys to come back from a tough weekend in Cambridge and one day rest to play such a physical team. NIT committee did not do the Tigers any favors. Proud of the team but that was disappointing.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 09:10 PM - Post#339338 SRP Said: VCU hitting its highest point total of the season kind of fits the narrative for Princeton this year. Princeton missing a ton of good trey looks does not. They did end up shooting 35% from 3, so not that horrid in the end. This is the best team Princeton has faced this year. Most other years, I imagine they've probably played at least a couple of other comparable teams (if not better than that) in seasons when they've played in the postseason. I think that showed in the sheer athleticism of VCU. Some close-in baskets that Princeton normally makes were thwarted, and some passes or drives that Princeton normally makes ended up becoming turnovers. And some of VCU's baskets on those drives were something that frankly Princeton hadn't seen too much of this year. Princeton competed hard and represented the IL well tonight. Tough to play on short rest after such an emotional contest on Sunday.
sparman PhD Student Posts 1354	03-15-22 09:29 PM - Post#339339 We cannot complain about lack of respect every year if we never win the first game.
palestra38 Professor Posts 32943	03-15-22 09:50 PM - Post#339340 Eh, it was a great season for Princeton. After a year off and a lost year of recruiting for all the Ivies because they insisted on not playing, they had the best team in the League. But no Ivy team this year would have beaten this VCU team, which is just a ridiculously athletic team.
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3686	03-15-22 10:22 PM - Post#339342 A tired Princeton team playing a well-rested VCU on their homecourt - automatic loss. Impressed this was even close for 30+ minutes. Really sad to see a great regular season end so anticlimactically. It could have been truly special postseason, but we didn't take care of business. On Sunday, that embarrassing final possession was a result of Jaelin and Tosan being unable to decide who gets the final shot. Next year, it's Tosan's ball 100%, no doubt about it.
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892	03-15-22 10:37 PM - Post#339343 palestra38 Said: But no Ivy team this year would have beaten this VCU team, which is just a ridiculously athletic team. I’m not so sure P38. Princeton (or Yale, for that matter) on four days rest, as VCU had, might have been different. And even as exhausted physically and emotionally as they must have been, if Princeton makes it’s (lowly) season average of 65% of freebies instead of 36% and hits one more from deep, I think they win that game. Hell, your guys on their best night could have given them a run.
HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2703	03-15-22 10:44 PM - Post#339345 Princeton lives and dies by its 3 point shooting. 35% (VCU) and 33.3% (Yale) just not enough.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-15-22 10:46 PM - Post#339346 Beg to disagree. This was a step up in class for Princeton. Their schedule did not really prepare them for a team like this. When Penn and Yale took a step up in class (or more) this year, it did not end well, either.
umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476	03-15-22 11:59 PM - Post#339347 I think that Coach Henderson got the most out this team - ultimately not deep or athletic enough to handle these teams - and probably hurt them here and in Ivy Madness. This was a classic Princeton team with an Iron 5 or 6. But it was two great athletes and two great three point shooting role players and Ethan Wright who was somewhere in between plus Allocco to spell the starters. When you look at the last two teams to make the NCAAs, they had a lot more: Cook, Weisz, Cannady, Stephens, Bell plus Miller (lost Brase and Caruso) - Hummer, Maddox, Davis, Mavraides, plus Saunders, Darrow, Connolly, Bray If Kellman hadn’t had injury issues and developed into a contributor this year - I think that might have taken them to the next level. And I think they win Ivy Madness if it is at Jadwin as it would have been if not for the lost season. But I’m not as confident that they would have measured up in the NCAAs as Coach Henderson.
Go Green PhD Student Posts 1159	03-16-22 09:46 AM - Post#339355 sparman Said: We cannot complain about lack of respect every year if we never win the first game. This.
palestra38 Professor Posts 32943	03-16-22 09:52 AM - Post#339357 The decision of the Ivies not to play last year will reverberate for some time. Had this not occurred, both Yale and Harvard would have been far better. Princeton managed it better than anyone and had the best team this year, but the Ivies as a whole would have been stronger (and Princeton unlikely to have been the best team) had none of this occurred. I don't think we can look at it just in the sense that we never win the first game. First of all, lack of success in the NCAA's goes back to the 1980s, where the Ivies won just 2 games, but Cornell and Harvard's success and then Yale's first round win and the scare they put to Duke shows "it can be done." But we, as a league, are pretty much starting from scratch.
sparman PhD Student Posts 1354	03-16-22 10:27 AM - Post#339360 To be clear, I am not unhappy with PU's season or the coach's performance, which are independent of my well-established disdain for the outcome distortion caused by the tournament. I think as others have said we did much better than expected. And because coaching matters, I do not discount their prospects for next year. Good programs stay relevant. But I feel there is a presumption outside the IL that we (the IL) aren't ready to play with the big and almost-big boys (and they don't want to share the pie anyway), so until we regularly show something in their events they need not be forced to recognize us closer to the manner we think is appropriate. We can rationalize close losses but they are soon forgotten by the powers that be.
penn nation Professor Posts 21335	03-16-22 11:00 AM - Post#339362 Like you said, the big boys don't want leagues like the IL to do well. They stack the deck against us. Try getting a game to play against them in your home arena. They even eliminated the portion of the erstwhile RPI which rewarded teams that played on the road against good teams. College football is much the same. Nowadays you'll never see a team like Alabama have to play a single road game (i.e., where their opponent is playing at home) the entire season--and yet still at the end of the day be crowned a national champion, or be in the running for one. Teams from lesser leagues, even if undefeated, nonetheless get regularly disparaged. sparman Said: But I feel there is a presumption outside the IL that we (the IL) aren't ready to play with the big and almost-big boys (and they don't want to share the pie anyway), so until we regularly show something in their events they need not be forced to recognize us closer to the manner we think is appropriate. We can rationalize close losses but they are soon forgotten by the powers that be.
joe nassau Sophomore Posts 150	03-16-22 12:59 PM - Post#339375 I don't know if I agree about Coach Mitch. The crappy ft shooting being one thing and Jaelin's slow starts being another? Smells of motivation? Maybe call a time out and say damn it Tosan make your #%$@ free throws? I do have to say that Ethan Wright rocked my world especially with his rebounding? I would not be surprised to see him in the NBA one day? Like a Caruso or Reeves?
Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819	03-16-22 06:09 PM - Post#339404 I think most, if not all Tiger fans are happy with the performance of Mitch and the team this season. A few points at the wrong time and several games could have gone the other way. The role players, all but Tosan and Jaelin, all overachieved and the team should be proud of themselves if not satisfied with the season’s ending. We won the title and I wish that we had hung it up after the ILT. Bad note to exit on. Until the League comes to its senses (if ever) I propose that any Champ not going to the dance due to the ILT outcome, boycott the damn NIT. If the NCAA can find room for NINE teams from one conference (Big 10(?)), It can damn well include the regular season Ivy Champ.
HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2703	03-16-22 09:31 PM - Post#339412 How would Yale have been better? Swain, Gabiddon and Alausa would have graduated? I don’t understand.
SRP Postdoc Posts 4921	03-20-22 04:21 PM - Post#339663 And VCU just went down to Wake in the second round of the NIT. So no love watching them go on to greatness and make the Tiger loss less aggravating.


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