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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
11-08-23 02:25 PM - Post#358917
Is that game not tonight or is the board just asleep? |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
11-08-23 04:04 PM - Post#358921
7 PM |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
11-08-23 05:04 PM - Post#358923
Game Notes https://pennathletics.com/documents/2023/11/8/2 _Bu... Probable Starters G - Slajchert G - Perkins G - Thrower F - Holland III F - Spinoso |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 08:37 PM - Post#358926
OK, I will say it. Against weak competition as I think Bucknell is picked to finish near the bottom of the Patriot League. But Perkins seems as impressive as Dingle did as a frosh. Look forward to seeing him against the big boys soon. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
11-08-23 08:39 PM - Post#358927
Quakers off to a great start. My favorite part is that people are working hard on defense, even off-the-ball. People are keeping clearing the paint and the guards are providing good support. Perkins looking really good. One thing to note is that Bucknell is #349 Pomeroy, compared to Penn at #215. This is a mismatch and Penn is doubling them in score right now 36-18. The part I like is the team is not letting off the gas. They are playing within themselves and playing hard. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 08:40 PM - Post#358928
Looks like a much better crowd also. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32884 |
11-08-23 08:41 PM - Post#358929
Well, I think we can conclude that Penn doesn't completely suck. There have been Penn teams that lose to Delaware State, so making mushmeat of a bad team is nice to see. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 08:41 PM - Post#358930
Someone in the last game thread said it. Seeing Holland makes you wonder why he was not playing much last year. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 08:43 PM - Post#358931
Well, I think we can conclude that Penn doesn't completely suck. There have been Penn teams that lose to Delaware State, so making mushmeat of a bad team is nice to see. Lots of talented freshmen and sophs. And Holland. All guys who want to show they were as good as the guys not there anymore. Next man up. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32884 |
11-08-23 08:53 PM - Post#358932
Perkins is unbelievable against this bad team. Can't wait to see him against Nova |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 08:56 PM - Post#358933
Perkins is unbelievable against this bad team. Can't wait to see him against Nova I was thinking of the really big boys. Houston and Auburn on the road. And Kentucky. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
11-08-23 08:57 PM - Post#358934
Up 20 at the half. Perkins is doing everything we could ask. He's hitting the three, getting to the basket, defending, and making great passes. Obviously the competition is a big part of the story here, but I think our team will be better than everyone expects. We have multiple players now who can shoot. Multiple players who have vision and pass well. And multiple players who move and defend well full-time. The effort will keep us in difficult games. Obviously Villanova will be a tough test for such a young team. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 08:58 PM - Post#358935
Looked at the St. Johns score from the other night. Jordan had 13 points. 0 assists and rebounds. Ledlum had 16 points, 14 rebounds and 4 assists. Oh my. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 09:05 PM - Post#358936
Looked at the St. Johns score from the other night. Jordan had 13 points. 0 assists and rebounds. Ledlum had 16 points, 14 rebounds and 4 assists. Oh my. They play Michigan Monday so that might be a good one to watch. I am anxious to see Jordan play defense. I always got the impression the coaches had him hold back on hat end to avoid fouls. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-08-23 09:08 PM - Post#358937
I watched a chunk of that game. Jordan and Ledlum clearly both looked like they belonged. Jordan was playing off the ball, more of a 2 guard, so no assists was not really a surprise. Looked better on defense than I remembered. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
11-08-23 09:16 PM - Post#358938
I am interested to see Jordan's development at St. John's. He is clearly athletic enough to play in the Big East. He is a bit of a tweeter, though. He also is unusual in that he is a guard that shoots the three well or goes straight downhill to the hoop. He is very effective at both, but he doesn't have the side-to-side evasiveness that you might like to see in a ball-handling guard. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32884 |
11-08-23 09:20 PM - Post#358939
"Tweener", not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PabG3nJRu3k&a mp;th... |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21286 |
11-08-23 09:23 PM - Post#358940
There have been Penn teams that lose to Delaware State. Oy. I was at that one. Their first win of the year, too. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32884 |
11-08-23 09:26 PM - Post#358941
May be the worst loss of the modern era for Penn |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21286 |
11-08-23 09:46 PM - Post#358942
At least they weren't Carnegie Mellon. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 09:55 PM - Post#358943
I looked at two A-10 previews. St. Joes was picked fourth in one and fifth in another. So they will be a test. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21286 |
11-08-23 09:56 PM - Post#358944
I believe that most teams this year will be a test for the Quakers. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
11-08-23 10:04 PM - Post#358946
I believe that most teams this year will be a test for the Quakers. Sure, I just felt compelled to add that because a couple of posters talked about Villanova. They next game is not in the bag. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-08-23 10:40 PM - Post#358949
I was at the game last night, curious to see how JD would play in a system where he's not the primary scoring option. He shot 5 for 11 and 1 for 6 from three point range. He mostly circled from the corners to the top of the key, running off screens. His missed three point shots were mostly short off the front of the rim. My thinking is that since he was out with the shoulder injury for most of the preseason, he just needs get back to game condition. Defensively, he had a little difficulty keeping quicker ballhandlers in front of him. He did have a nice block of a Dean Noll layup attempt. I am curious to see how his game evolves as the season progresses. As for tonight's game, Perkins looked great. 24 points, 14 boards, assists. Potential Ivy rookie of the year, if he can produce like that consistently. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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11-09-23 12:18 AM - Post#358951
Nice win against a really bad D1 team (right now ranked nearly dead last), but a lot to like overall from the young guys and Holland (it was me who was still annoyed he didn’t play more last year). Oddly Spinoso and Slajchert were the guys playing well below expectations in this one. Going to need a LOT better play from those two to give St. Joes a game at their place. For everyone else this will be their first game (with minutes) against another Big 5 team, so let’s see what they can do. Particularly interested to see how Perkins can do against much tougher competition when he is top of the scouting report. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 
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11-09-23 01:31 AM - Post#358952
Spinoso and Slajchert will need to show they’ve taken a step forward from last year real soon or they’re going to get their minutes cut in favor of the underclassmen. As for Dingle: I thought the stated point of his transfer was to raise his chances of getting drafted by demonstrating he could be a ball-distributing starting lead guard at the highest level, who could also guard at the other end. The pro scouts all knew already he was a willing shooter from the perimeter who was a constant threat to go downhill at the hoop. Last night that’s all Pitino asked him to do in a 6th/7th man role. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
11-09-23 02:29 AM - Post#358953
When I called Dingle a tweener (damn autocorrect), it is partly b/c of his unique strengths and the way he was used at Penn. His handle has improved a lot, but he isn't quite a prototype ball handler. His shot has improved a lot over the years, but is not quite pure enough of a shooter to thrive on a Pitino team. He isn't quite big enough to be an Antoine Walker do-it-all type, although he has the physical strength and some those attributes. I don't say any of this as a criticism. I love his game and everything he has done for the Quakers. At Penn, as the shot clock wound down, we would just give him the ball and give him space. One-on-one, he is simply very hard to stop. He can rise up and hit his three, or he can run right through you downhill to the hoop. I don't know if this translates well in the Big East on a Pitino team. Pitino thrives on great ball-handling, fast passing, and great shooting - as well has frenetic defense. Dingle is awesome, but he isn't the prototype for that style. He is a slower possession one-on-one guy. I hope he finds great success this season, and I hope I am completely wrong. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
11-09-23 03:19 AM - Post#358954
A few random Bucknell observations: - Then team was dominating Bucknell for most of the game, but then it hit a brutal stretch when the team looked unsure of its passes, moved the ball slowly, turned the ball over, and didn't defend that well. Maybe it was a lull from overconfidence. - Slajchert looked like a real veteran leader for the first game and a half. He looked a bit more like his Freshman self during Bucknell's run. He turned the ball over, his shot looked rushed, and he made some lackadaisical passes. - I had low expectations for Walter, since he didn't have an impressive college career before his transfer. He has shown he makes really good cuts to the hoop. That is a knack that I'd love to see more players make. - Perkins was great. My expectations were already high, but he really filled the stat sheet. He also settled the team down to stop the Bucknell run. One other thing - For a portion of the game, I just focused on watching him. I liked what I saw of him on defense. He does a good job of not losing track of the players he is defending, while putting himself in range to provide help. He should keep his hands up more. He is a potential star. - Thrower had a good spurt on offense and shot the ball well on a few possessions. He made some attempts to get to the hoop and got bottled up. It will take time, but I think he can get better if SD gives him the opportunity to stay out there. On to St. Joe's! |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8322 
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11-09-23 03:49 PM - Post#358965
A few more random observations. I’ve seen bigger crowds lined up outside Apple Stores. Weird having the students and the band in the East stands where they cannot see the video board. Wonder why they did that? Nobody is going to make us forget Dingle, but Perkins will replace the minutes and much of the production. He can rebound as well as last night proved but this opponent made everyone in a white uni look great that way. The ones they missed were because they were contending with other. Perkins is also a better running mate for Slajchert and he doesn’t need the ball in his hands as much as Clark and Jordan did. Clark, for his part needs to understand he doesn’t need to play hero ball especially when his shots are not falling. Walker looks like a more refined version of Laz. Gerhardt is limited offensively but the rest of his game is already good enough to get Spinoso some rest. Thrower made 3 clutch shots to help put away the Bison when it started to look dicey. I’m perplexed by Holland. I made it a point to watch him away from the ball and he’s still having trouble getting involved in the offense although his defense was solid against some athletic if not highly skilled opponents. I get the sense the rotation shuffling we normally see this time of year isn’t happening. The stating 5 looks set unless Smith replaces Holland and the 9 who will get regular minutes are also set barring injuries of course. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-09-23 07:51 PM - Post#358970
I would be extremely annoyed if Smith were to replace Holland in starting lineup. He brings strength and athleticism this team needs (and that last year needed as well to be honest). He is a very good offensive rebounder, can play with his back to basket as well and I think will be a very efficient scorer when team gets him ball in right places. He’s also a disruptive defender who will pile up blocks and altered shots. We would be way too small with Smith replacing him in lineup. Smith is much better as a defensive stopper off the bench and I think does very well in that role. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
11-09-23 08:15 PM - Post#358971
Yes, and it seems to me that Laz and Walter are probably the guys Holland needs to watch out for. One of them could replace him in the starting lineup, I suppose. Smith seems to be the 4th guard behind the three starters. I don’t think they play that small my putting them all together. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21286 |
11-09-23 09:09 PM - Post#358972
In the past, Smith has also been the rare Quaker who is able to help bring the ball up when the team is pressed. I believe Thrower is competent here as well. Not sure how many other Quakers can get the job done here. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8322
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11-09-23 11:32 PM - Post#358975
I too want to see Holland prosper. If any of you can explain why he doesn’t get more touches on offense, let me know. Best case, he plays a larger role vs SJU and Nova and this becomes moot. |
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borschtbelt Freshman Posts 60 |
11-10-23 10:16 AM - Post#358982
I am also high on Holland's talent. Unfortunately he is the number 5 option on offense--and so it goes. Also, he plays the 4, and spends lot of time inside (where he can be effective). I think his quickness would have more impact as a wing--I'd like to see him blow by the other team's 4 from the wing. One thing--I have no say in this matter. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
11-10-23 04:00 PM - Post#358985
I think the different points of view reflect the complicated story around Holland. He was one of our most highly regarded recruits. He has good athleticism, decent skills, and seems to work hard. He plays a position where we've been lacking. It is hard to understand why his role doesn't expand. On the other hand, he doesn't have a spiky strength - scorer, rebounder, passer, shot blocker, defender. He is a decent defender, but he doesn't put too much pressure on the opponent as scorer or offensive rebounder. In other words, it's not clear he is a huge net positive on the strategic ledger of game play and there isn't a clear niche and role where he reliably imposes his will on the opponent. He did a very good job against John Jay, so hopefully some of his special strengths are starting to emerge. If I were advising him, I'd focus on being a lockdown defender at multiple court positions, the forward who moves the most without the ball on offense and defense, and the one who makes quick passing decisions and gets to the right position for rebounds and loose balls. He needs to be a constant pest to the other team. Those things will create his scoring openings to impact the game without having plays designed around him. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8322
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11-10-23 05:23 PM - Post#358989
I think that sums it up well. Thanks |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
11-10-23 11:20 PM - Post#359018
I’m kind of liking what all of the 4s are bringing to the table right now. |
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