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ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 341 |
04-02-24 08:08 AM - Post#366799
Tigers finally sent a player to the portal. Rising 6'10" junior Vernon Collins. He saw very limited playing time. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 440 |
04-02-24 10:43 AM - Post#366801
I am a little surprised. He appeared to be a very strong student, who I thought we would keep, and maybe get some useful contributions in the future. Hope he finds a good fit in all. aspects of his experience. |
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ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 341 |
04-02-24 12:38 PM - Post#366802
Just heard that Tiger player from the Bradley era, Larry Luchinno has died. He was a major league baseball executive for many years with Padres, Orioles and Red Sox. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819 |
04-02-24 03:03 PM - Post#366811
Hard to imagine his motive. I would not think any NIL$ would be sufficient to offset what he is giving up here. I’m sure that he can find a place that will give him more playing time. But, he could still grow into a greater role here as we need more size up front. But, all the best to him. Can he still change his mind? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21303 |
04-02-24 03:06 PM - Post#366812
Or, maybe the Princeton degree is overrated. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
04-02-24 06:03 PM - Post#366836
Disappointing. I was hoping Vern would grow into a larger role the way did Keeshawn did his senior year. We certainly need size and strength with Zach graduating. This may have nothing to do with NIL and everything to do with playing time. With the transfer rules being what they are now, players who want more playing time can jump into the portal, see what comes their way, and be playing for another school the next year. No more requirement to sit out a year. So coaches have to worry about their best players leaving and their mid-level players leaving if they don't get enough PT. I hope CJ Happy will make us all smile next year. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 440 |
04-02-24 06:10 PM - Post#366837
PN still wishes he had the Princeton option--pretty sad. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-02-24 07:15 PM - Post#366843
I imagine some Penn fans clicked on this thread hoping to see Lee or Pierce in the portal... only to be disappointed with our 4th string center leaving. Sorry to disappoint! BTW, Lee is already back to work with his longtime trainer: https://twitter.com/FilipMusic15/status/1 774155299... Best of luck to Collins - hope he finds a better fit with more minutes. Huggins will likely be the new starting center with Byriel getting some time. Incoming recruit CJ Happy seems like a Zach Martini-type that could be a good complementary piece. Malik Abdullahi is a 6-7 freak athlete who's known as a lockdown defender for a Top 3 high school team, but he seems like more of a SF/PF. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21303 |
04-02-24 07:39 PM - Post#366845
PN still wishes he had the Princeton option--pretty sad. Sorry, but I had no interest in applying there. At the time, it was pretty WASPy. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819 |
04-03-24 12:09 AM - Post#366869
Get over it, PN. Knock the log off your shoulder. Last time I checked, Penn had a higher % of preppies than Princeton Maybe your child (or grandchild?) will have better judgement — if he/she can get in. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21303 |
04-03-24 08:53 AM - Post#366882
Quite honestly, I found Princeton students to be fairly obnoxious when I was in college, particularly regarding basketball. I knew nothing about Penn basketball before going to school there, or Princeton for that matter so I had zero chips on my shoulder whatsoever. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 440 |
04-03-24 10:10 AM - Post#366890
You mainly have made up for lost time in that regard. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21303 |
04-03-24 10:25 AM - Post#366896
You mainly have made up for lost time in that regard. Yes, thank you to your fellow Princetonians for this. I got quite the experience in college. Have since met others who are quite fine, mercifully. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819 |
04-03-24 10:58 AM - Post#366900
As one of our kinder, more gracious Tigers might reply, Hi, Penn Nation! Peace, have a good day. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-03-24 09:17 PM - Post#366939
Martini to Rutgers: https://twitter.com/zachmartini5587/statu s/1775674... They desperately need 3pt shooting and now they get one of the best/only high-volume stretch 5s in D-I. With Rutgers getting 2 of the Top 3 recruits in the 2024 class, Martini has a good chance to get back to the Big Dance. He deserves it. That said, it'll be weird playing against Zach if Rutgers is on the schedule next season. The "Jersey Jam" was a great game, but I don't know if Pikiell wants to risk playing us again. |
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umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476 
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04-03-24 09:30 PM - Post#366941
Re: Collins - he’s definitely big - but during the NIT game he looked a bit lost on offense and defense. You’d hope he could have been at least a big body that could defend and rebound, and big men take time to develop - but if he wasn’t into what they were trying to get him to learn…. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
04-04-24 03:19 PM - Post#366990
Rutgers will be a weird one to follow. Best of luck to Martini, though. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-11-24 05:06 PM - Post#367309
Ryan Duncan in the portal. Like Collins, he barely played and didn't have a future in the rotation. Davis and Hicke are ahead of him in his own class and I suspect incoming freshman Jack Stanton would be too. Hope Duncan finds a better fit. |
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jeromelh Junior Posts 215 |
04-11-24 05:32 PM - Post#367310
Ohio State has offered Matt Allocco according to the Columbus Dispatch. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819 |
04-12-24 11:36 AM - Post#367331
With all respect to Mr Duncan, I have trouble understanding what he can get out of this, unless he is unhappy at Princeton in general. If he now decides to stay for his degree, he has burned his bridges with his teammates. Good luck Ryan. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-12-24 12:14 PM - Post#367336
Not sure transfers burn bridges so much anymore. It’s so much a part of the landscape now that I wouldn’t be at all surprised if everyone just wishes him well (and would take him back if he doesn’t find a fit). |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-12-24 03:43 PM - Post#367343
Yeah, I think the team understands - he's not gonna play meaningful minutes with so many PGs/combo guards ahead of him. If you're good enough to play D-I hoops, you must think you're good enough to play more than garbage time. I won't even be surprised if a rotation guy like Jack Scott enters the portal. With Deven Austin coming back and recruits like Malik Abdullahi coming in, I don't see his playing time going up. Players who transfer to find a bigger role are using the portal correctly IMO. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 440 |
04-12-24 04:17 PM - Post#367346
I think Scott will stay. His time went way up, and both Austin and Abdullah are question marks right now. We need help on the boards, and Scott rebounds well for his size. I also hope Huggins and/or Sangster take a step up. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 440 |
04-12-24 05:15 PM - Post#367349
I think Scott will stay. His time went way up, and both Austin and Abdullah are question marks right now. We need help on the boards, and Scott rebounds well for his size. I also hope Huggins and/or Sangster take a step up. |
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jeromelh Junior Posts 215 |
04-13-24 01:53 PM - Post#367361
Allocco down to Butler, Notre Dame, Villanova and Ohio State. He went to high school 15 miles from the Ohio State campus |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-15-24 07:32 PM - Post#367459
Looks like I called it: https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1 779880395...
@RivalsPortal Princeton sophomore wing Jack Scott has entered the transfer portal after averaging 2.3 points and 2.2 rebounds per game this season. Best wishes to Scott. He's a solid player, but he wasn't getting much time next season with Austin coming back and MH being big on Hicke. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
04-15-24 07:44 PM - Post#367460
I'm sorry but this is really upsetting. He was really coming on at the end of the season, particularly at the defensive end. Both his parents are Princeton alums and his Dad was ... (I won't finish that sentence). I've been slow to acknowledge that college basketball has turned into a complete s*** show but I've lost my naivete with this one. Uggh! I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mass retirement wave among college coaches coming very soon. This is the sports equivalent of serving in the U.S. House under Speaker whatshisname. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21303 |
04-15-24 08:52 PM - Post#367465
I guess the third time was the charm! :-)
I'm sorry but this is really upsetting. He was really coming on at the end of the season, particularly at the defensive end. Both his parents are Princeton alums and his Dad was ... (I won't finish that sentence). I've been slow to acknowledge that college basketball has turned into a complete s*** show but I've lost my naivete with this one. Uggh! I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mass retirement wave among college coaches coming very soon. This is the sports equivalent of serving in the U.S. House under Speaker whatshisname. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819 |
04-16-24 11:11 AM - Post#367470
I’m with you, TigerFan. Of course we knew PN would chime in with his/her valued observations, like a visitor at a funeral telling tasteless jokes about the departed. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21303 |
04-16-24 11:59 AM - Post#367471
TigerFan had already paid a shiva call to the Penn board. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-16-24 05:28 PM - Post#367485
Princeton hasn't lost a star to the portal yet, but it's clear that the combination of the new transfer portal + "NIL" booster collectives is ruining college basketball. At the very least, the NCAA should reinstate the one-year waiting period for transfers. Even the power conferences might support that - there's way too much chaos now. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
04-16-24 05:42 PM - Post#367486
TigerFan had already paid a shiva call to the Penn board. A shiv for shiva. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-16-24 07:03 PM - Post#367488
Maybe the fact that Scott entered the portal answers the question, but to me it looked like he had a path to continued playing time, and maybe even to being a starter. Allocco did a lot of things, so who replaces him in the starting lineup will be interesting. Davis is most likely, but that makes an already small team even smaller. Agreed there are lots of possibilities with Austin, Hicke, and Abdullahi, and choices to go bigger or smaller with Huggins or Stanton. Kind of surprising to me that Scott would look at the landscape, see a couple of starters graduating, and think he would get surpassed in the rotation by guys who were behind him last year (or weren’t there at all). I guess it doesn’t matter now. Princeton now has the most undergrads in the portal, but has avoided losing any of last year’s starters, which is more than Yale, brown, Penn, and Harvard can say. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-16-24 07:49 PM - Post#367492
Davis is most likely, but that makes an already small team even smaller. Mitch was forced to play small-ball due to Deven Austin's absence. It's easy to forget that Austin was actually getting more minutes than Lee as a freshman. A healthy 6-6 Austin would have started at SF next to Allocco and Lee with 6-1 Peters coming off the bench. That is to say, Deven's return and Dalen's promotion to starter should cover most of Allocco's minutes. Peters probably comes off the bench as a 6th man, where he's more effective anyway. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
04-16-24 08:52 PM - Post#367494
I would not be at all surprised if Abdullahi and/or Stanton play solid minutes and even find a place in the starting lineup next year. For what its worth, 247 Sports rates them as the #3 and #7 highest rated Princeton recruits since its inception 20 years ago. Dalen Davis is #4. (link below) With another small team, I was hoping the Tigers would have enough depth and high energy players next year to run 5-10 minutes of full-court press/1-3-1 as a regular feature. I thought Scott played a key role in making that work really well for Princeton when they deployed it a few times out of desperation this year. (Still scratching my head over him jumping into the portal with his 2.3 ppg and 27% shooting from deep.) https://247sports.com/college/princeton/Spo rt/Bask... |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-16-24 10:15 PM - Post#367496
It's hard to project freshmen, but MH clearly has no qualms about playing them if they're able to contribute. Stanton was a very coveted recruit among mid-majors (and Ivies specifically) while Abdullahi is a freak athlete who is said to be a lockdown defender. Guard rotation seems pretty set, but center remains a question mark. CJ Happy might get a chance to make the rotation. The coaching staff excels at player development, so I hope they can take Huggins to the next level. He doesn't need to be a star, just a solid role player. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-16-24 11:02 PM - Post#367498
We've been so fortunate that none of our stars have hit the transfer portal (knock on wood). Meanwhile, Brown just lost Kalu Anya too. Losing in the ILT may have had a silver lining. Our disappointing finish may have kept Mitch and Caden from jumping to a power conference and Xaivian from jumping to the NBA. Instead, all of our major pieces seem to be coming back for a "Redeem Team" tour with our two stars a year older and better. Barring Lee getting a 1st round draft promise, it looks like the stars are aligned for an amazing 2024-25 (post)season. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2280 
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04-17-24 09:32 AM - Post#367507
I 247 Sports rates them as the #3 and #7 highest rated Princeton recruits since its inception 20 years ago. Dalen Davis is #4. (link below) https://247sports.com/college/princeton/Spo rt/Bask... Interesting list--many subsequent standouts were NOT on the list. FWIW I see Harrison Schaen, Sebastian Much, and Mason Hooks on the list. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1349 
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04-17-24 10:41 AM - Post#367511
I have not been following this closely, but has there been a statement anywhere about the reason for Scott entering the portal? I'm not ready to assume a reason for anyone doing so, especially from an ivy, where there could be non-basketball reasons. |
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mobrien Masters Student Posts 403 |
04-17-24 10:52 AM - Post#367512
Allocco to Notre Dame https://twitter.com/PaulBiancardi/status/ 178060486... |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-17-24 01:36 PM - Post#367535
Surprised he didn't go with Ohio State. Hope he leads ND back to the tourney. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
04-17-24 02:34 PM - Post#367538
Not going to be easy to root for ND, but I hope Allocco has a great year there. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-20-24 12:35 AM - Post#367611
Derek Sangster in the portal. He was a solid midmajor recruit, but with Deven Austin returning and Malik Abdullahi coming in, I can't imagine he would have been in the rotation next season. Like Duncan and Scott, I don't blame him for seeking a better fit. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-20-24 09:23 AM - Post#367614
This is now a lot of depth going out the door. Sure, Austin is back. But even with him, the team is down to 9 returning players, and that includes Gakwasi and Byriel, who seem unlikely to be rotation guys at this point. I’m sure the incoming guys are good, but Sangster was supposed to be one of those good incoming guys just last year. It seems to me that the roster is getting surprisingly thin, to where an injury could be a real problem. And this all assumes Lee is back. |
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jeromelh Junior Posts 215 |
04-20-24 10:44 AM - Post#367616
Entering the portal doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t come back. We need to wait and see |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1349
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04-20-24 12:34 PM - Post#367618
Cannot argue with this.
Entering the portal doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t come back. We need to wait and see Let's hope. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-20-24 12:57 PM - Post#367620
Fair enough. On one hand, no Ivy player I can think of ever came back after entering the portal (insert Gloger joke). But we never had a year where 10 undergrads entered the portal before. Obviously these are different times with different dynamics. If I had to guess, Scott and Sangster are most likely to leave. They’ll get offers. Collins and Duncan might not find greener pastures. |
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Tiger84 Senior Posts 380 |
04-26-24 01:05 PM - Post#367782
Well this just got interesting. Jack Scott to William and Mary, joining Brian Earl. https://x.com/jackscott5x/status/17 838560987655906... |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819 |
04-27-24 10:49 AM - Post#367829
Not bad. I wish him well. I wonder whether Brian attempted to get him at Cornell. As for the other three, they may struggle to find a worthwhile match to offset leaving Princeton. |
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Albert08 Masters Student Posts 574 |
04-27-24 10:51 AM - Post#367830
Slightly off topic but I was interested in the recent hire of Princeton's new men's hockey coach. Princeton has always been a middle of the pack team in the ECAC and on the southern fringe of real hockey country. So they hire Ben Syer, the longtime "associate head coach" from Cornell, a long-time hockey power. Isn't that the exact mirror image of Cornell's 2016 hire of Brian Earl, longtime "associate head coach" at Princeton? Turnabout is fair play. Maybe after a few years, Syer will head off to some mid-major school in Virginia. |
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Tiger81 Masters Student Posts 412 
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04-27-24 11:23 AM - Post#367832
This is a very disappointing and puzzling development. Jack Scott was going to be a major cog in the Princeton rotation next year. And although he will play in a familiar system he may not get a lot more court time given the hockey-shift substitutions favored by Coach Earl. Hard to see how the grass could be greener at W&M for the son of two Tiger hoopsters but I wish him well and will follow his season next year. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2280
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04-27-24 11:25 AM - Post#367833
Well this just got interesting. Jack Scott to William and Mary, joining Brian Earl. https://x.com/jackscott5x/status/17 838560987655906... Seems like a good fit for him. I for one am very sorry to see him leave; he was a good defender and rebounder, and I think with more PT will be a good shooter. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
04-27-24 11:58 AM - Post#367834
Makes perfect sense. Give up your position as a solid rotation player with increasing minutes for Princeton, a perennial challenger for the Ivy championship and frequent NCAA tournament darling for a chance to play for a team that finished 10-23, 13th in the CAA, has a brand new coach and has never gone to the tournament. Fine school but I don’t get it. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-27-24 03:01 PM - Post#367837
If you're good enough to be a D-I player, you truly believe that you're capable of being a star(ter) somewhere. And for a team like W&M, Scott could realistically end up starting. That's very unlikely to happen at Princeton. When Mitch said he was going to sit down with the team and discuss goals for next season, I'm sure he spoke to players about their roles. Collins, Duncan, Scott... they wanted more. Which is totally fine. Provided Lee comes back as planned, our core remains intact and I'm super-excited about this incoming class (especially Stanton, Abdullahi and Happy). |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
04-27-24 03:13 PM - Post#367838
I'm very excited about next year, too. I just don't get Scott's move. As Tiger81 posted, if Earl tries the platoon approach in his first year at W&M, Jack may not end up with more minutes than he would have had at Princeton. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3683 |
04-27-24 03:31 PM - Post#367839
True, though he might not use the same system. Taking a quick glance at W&M's Verbal Commits page, it looks like they're bringing back several double-digit scorers. BE might have a more normal rotation in mind. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 440 |
04-27-24 04:07 PM - Post#367840
Scott was probably the most touted recruit in his Princeton class. He probably expecte4d to start by now. He was a valuable contributor, and I think we will miss him, but I can't begrudge him looking for a bigger role. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1349
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04-27-24 06:14 PM - Post#367843
I have no evidence one way or another, but let's not dismiss the possibility he simply wasn't comfortable in NJ, notwithstanding the lineage. Not unusual for kids to follow their parents before realizing their interests are different. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2700 |
04-27-24 06:39 PM - Post#367844
Scholarship? Some NIL offered? |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
04-28-24 01:21 PM - Post#367858
Kaitlyn Chen is off to UConn. https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basket ball/sto... |
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Albert08 Masters Student Posts 574 |
04-28-24 02:10 PM - Post#367865
Surprising to me that she did not return to one of the California schools (UCLA, USC, Stanford), though UCLA just nabbed Charlisse Leger-Walker, a guard from Washington State, whom ESPN rated higher than Kaitlyn. And I saw some comments from UConn fans yesterday that argued UConn did not need another guard, but rather needed one or more bigs from the transfer portal. Kaitlyn will probably become more a facilitator/assister than scorer, in light of Bueckers, Fudd, and UConn's other scoring guards. But the Carla-Geno connection must have been important and she will be more visible for those of us on the East Coast. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
04-28-24 04:40 PM - Post#367876
Scott never became the outside shooter that would have solidified his status as a heavy-minutes guy. But he will be missed for his other contributions. In particular I thought he was improving as an on-ball defender. |
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Bryan Junior Posts 234 |
05-10-24 10:14 PM - Post#368295
Per Verbal Commits Vernon Collins committed to Western Carolina on May 8th. |
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