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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
04-08-24 08:54 PM - Post#367132
Michael Zamboni a guard from Mercer |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32901 |
04-08-24 09:12 PM - Post#367133
Zanoni....not Zambomi https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/micha... |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
04-08-24 09:19 PM - Post#367134
Thks. It autocorrected |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21302 |
04-08-24 09:31 PM - Post#367135
Otherwise see if the Flyers need him. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21302 |
04-08-24 09:33 PM - Post#367136
Michael Zamboni a guard from Mercer What accounted for his lack of playing time in his sophomore year? Injured? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21302 |
04-08-24 09:36 PM - Post#367137
Medical redshirt, so I answered my own question. According to a brief Twitter search, FIVE players from Mercer entered the portal. What's going on over there? |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1122 
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04-08-24 10:41 PM - Post#367139
Mercer had a KP Rank of 209. There is nothing in this guys stats to indicate he is a find. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
04-08-24 10:57 PM - Post#367140
1.3 pts/game and 16.7% FG/11.1% from deep this year, but the kid has a nice head of hair on him. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
04-08-24 11:10 PM - Post#367141
Mercer had a KP Rank of 209. There is nothing in this guys stats to indicate he is a find. First year stats were much better. He's got some size, so if he's healthy, he might be able to contribute. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
04-09-24 06:26 AM - Post#367143
He broke his foot in Oct of his soph year and it looks like he tried to play with it for a short time. Likely a stress fracture but I didn’t see details. In hs he was an all state player, a Rivals 3 star, and had offers from Mercer, South Carolina, Coastal Carolina, Elon, Charleston Southern, UMBC and Mount St Mary’s |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8331 
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04-09-24 08:43 AM - Post#367146
That makes me more hopeful. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
04-09-24 02:56 PM - Post#367164
He broke his foot in Oct of his soph year and it looks like he tried to play with it for a short time. Likely a stress fracture but I didn’t see details. In hs he was an all state player, a Rivals 3 star, and had offers from Mercer, South Carolina, Coastal Carolina, Elon, Charleston Southern, UMBC and Mount St Mary’s So he's Henry Brooks, Part II. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21302 |
04-09-24 03:13 PM - Post#367165
So he's Henry Brooks, Part II. He has 3 years of eligibility left, not 10. |
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SteveDanley Sophomore Posts 102 |
04-09-24 04:59 PM - Post#367171
So you're saying his % on mid-range jumpers *won't* regress to the mean? |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
04-09-24 07:51 PM - Post#367176
So he's Henry Brooks, Part II. He has 3 years of eligibility left, not 10. Hah! |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32901 |
04-09-24 08:32 PM - Post#367177
Henry, Justin Reilly and Harrison Gaines are all in the P38 "What Could Have Been Hall of Fame" |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
04-09-24 09:59 PM - Post#367178
I've wondered about Henry Brooks. He certainly came in very highly rated. If he had played for a coach who wasn't totally incompetent and who had his players' interests at heart, he might have been a contender. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
04-10-24 12:19 AM - Post#367182
There were way too many players from that era who either couldn't stay healthy, weren't a good fit for Penn, or just didn't pan out. |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
04-10-24 02:31 PM - Post#367225
He broke his foot in Oct of his soph year and it looks like he tried to play with it for a short time. Likely a stress fracture but I didn’t see details. In hs he was an all state player, a Rivals 3 star, and had offers from Mercer, South Carolina, Coastal Carolina, Elon, Charleston Southern, UMBC and Mount St Mary’s nice |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
04-10-24 04:31 PM - Post#367237
I recall being very high personally on the potential of Mike Howlett too. It seemed that injuries derailed his career. There are so many players who didn't reach potential or seemed in the dog house, but I don't blame any coach for any single player. There are so many things that matter about a player, especially decision-making and response to pressure. Some of those things aren't as obvious to a spectator. Players will have good and bad days, so we often see what we want to see. I never understood why Mike Milobsky, Andreas Schreiber, Dau Jok, Julian Harrell, Eddie Scott, Bryce Washington, and Duane King didn't get more time. I do blame Miller and Allen for grinding our program to pieces, though. Talent management is a part of that. I have no idea which of the overlooked players deserved more playing time the most. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21302 |
04-10-24 05:37 PM - Post#367240
Wasn't Henry Brooks on the Duane King Ten Year Plan?
I recall being very high personally on the potential of Mike Howlett too. It seemed that injuries derailed his career. There are so many players who didn't reach potential or seemed in the dog house, but I don't blame any coach for any single player. There are so many things that matter about a player, especially decision-making and response to pressure. Some of those things aren't as obvious to a spectator. Players will have good and bad days, so we often see what we want to see. I never understood why Mike Milobsky, Andreas Schreiber, Dau Jok, Julian Harrell, Eddie Scott, Bryce Washington, and Duane King didn't get more time. I do blame Miller and Allen for grinding our program to pieces, though. Talent management is a part of that. I have no idea which of the overlooked players deserved more playing time the most. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
04-20-24 01:12 PM - Post#367621
Another Ethan Robert’s from Drake Played freshman year at Army where he was Patriot League Rookie of the Year |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8331
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04-20-24 02:33 PM - Post#367625
Another skinny shooting guard. DNP last season from what I can see. Did shoot 41%/48%/85% at Army though. What's going on at Drake? Looks like nearly the entire roster hit the portal there. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-20-24 03:26 PM - Post#367627
Missed the year with an “undisclosed injury.” If healthy, his freshman year suggests he should play immediately. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8331
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04-20-24 03:41 PM - Post#367629
Certainly will if he can defend |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
04-20-24 04:06 PM - Post#367630
Really nice pickup...smart, efficient quality player |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8331
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04-20-24 05:55 PM - Post#367631
I feel better about him already. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1122
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04-20-24 06:25 PM - Post#367632
The shape of next year's team looks largely set now except at small forward. Small guard has six players including two new players and one further possibility. It is hard to imagine a transfer joining that group. Shooting guard has four players including two new players. Again not much room for another transfer. Small forward has only one player on the roster (Holland) with two offers still active (according to Verbal Commits). There is room for one or two more here. Forwards/center has 6 players including two new arrivals. There is one offer still showing. As was the case last year the team returns only two clearly superior players after losing its leading scorers. Last year it was Clark and Nick. Despite the succcess of two of the freshmen, the team was awful in the Ivies. This year, it returns Sam and Nick. We hoped it would be three including Tyler. But his loss means we are forced to depend either on the development of the sophomores or catching lightning with the new arrivals. I suppose Eddie, Cam, Reese, Jonnie, or George could suddenly jump up two notches, but we have seen enough of them to doubt such an outcome. So, again, the team will depend on the play of newcomers. That will make it interesting - if not satisfying. Given last year's bad result we know it will take more than the arrival of two useful newcomers to make this team a winner. Something dramatic has to happen. Oh well! |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-20-24 10:46 PM - Post#367636
I wonder if Roberts in particular is more of a 3/4 for us. His rebounding was comparable to Perkins as a freshman, and Donahue has had a tendency to play small at the 4 position. So you could see him being a Betley type. With Laz and Perkins gone, it will be interesting to see how Donahue handles the 4 position. Like a lot of people, I’m hoping it’s Holland. |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
04-21-24 05:32 AM - Post#367643
He's a willing defender and rebounded bc he's such a tough kid but you don't want him guarding 4's...he's a great 2/3 fit. He's a great kid and adds a real toughness |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8331
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04-21-24 09:34 AM - Post#367648
Sounds a bit like George Smith with a better shot. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
04-22-24 01:05 AM - Post#367668
nychoops, any word whether his injuries were likely career altering? Any projections on whether he is an impact Ivy player? His video seemed to show someone who can contribute right away if healthy. |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
04-22-24 10:42 AM - Post#367679
Will he have 3 years of eligibility? |
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QHoops Senior Posts 369 |
04-22-24 11:18 AM - Post#367682
Or to be responsive to the current environment: Does he have a 1 year guaranteed contract and two player option years. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
04-22-24 11:19 AM - Post#367683
There is an article in the DP today. He says the injury will not inhibit him in the future. |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
04-22-24 11:30 AM - Post#367684
sad but true |
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andybech Freshman Posts 83 |
04-23-24 05:32 PM - Post#367716
Roberts seems a pretty good signing and will almost certainly start. Looks like most of Drake's team including its best player transferred when the coach went to West Virginia. Still a pretty uninspiring outlook for next year though unless a couple of the freshmen are better than expected immediately. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
04-23-24 06:54 PM - Post#367717
The majority of Ivy teams need to replace significant contributors next year. It’s way too early to be so bleak. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
04-23-24 09:17 PM - Post#367722
Oh, please. It's never too early to be bleak. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
04-23-24 09:58 PM - Post#367724
Oh, please. It's never too early to be bleak. In our collective case, bleakness is an ongoing existential condition. It's optimism that's foreign. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
04-24-24 03:18 AM - Post#367726
I do like the look of some of our Freshmen on video. Some look like they can make a difference. I was just harboring that slight hope that we were going to start stringing together good recruiting classes. I was pretty happy with Perkins and Brown, but it looks like we need to start over yet again. Roberts does look like an impact player for us. Too early to guess if he's a potential star. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-24-24 01:57 PM - Post#367733
Zanoni doesn’t seem as sure a bet, but his freshman numbers suggest he should be in the mix as well, and could even push to start. As for the overall outlook, Brown, Cornell, and Harvard all lose a lot. Brown will still be dangerous with Lilly, but it seems like we will have a chance for the Ivy tournament. Princeton will be far off in the distance, and probably Yale too. But the rest of the boats have sunk down toward us. Will be interesting to see if a suddenly comparatively experienced Columbia team can make some noise next year, too. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32901 |
04-24-24 01:59 PM - Post#367734
Given what's happened in the League, Columbia would be a major disappointment if they don't make the tournament. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
05-02-24 09:01 PM - Post#368040
And one more Dylan Williams from Triton Junior College just committed to Penn. He’s a point guard |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
05-02-24 09:14 PM - Post#368041
As a point of reference, Williams averaged 15 ppg at Triton which lost in the JUCO National Championship final last year. He should have 3 years of eligibility. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32901 |
05-02-24 09:26 PM - Post#368042
Is he an instant contributor at this level? |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
05-02-24 09:29 PM - Post#368043
He got a ton of mid major offers coming out of JUCO so best guess is that’s a yes. Check out his Twitter feed. |
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Penn90 Masters Student Posts 575
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05-02-24 10:22 PM - Post#368044
Williams calls himself a "professional athlete" in his Twitter profile! hahahahahaha Wonder if the AD saw that?
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penn nation Professor Posts 21302 |
05-02-24 10:59 PM - Post#368046
Is he an instant contributor at this level? He just might make the IL's "All JuCo" team, although at the rate we're acquiring such players, who knows for how much longer. |
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slane Freshman Posts 72 |
05-02-24 11:47 PM - Post#368048
Dylan Williams highlights https://www.google.com/search?client=safari& amp;sc... |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
05-03-24 06:24 AM - Post#368049
Maybe just 2 years of eligibility |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
05-03-24 08:51 AM - Post#368054
National juco runnerup https://tritonathletics.com/news/2024/3/30/mens-b a... He was given best “small man” award Wonder if all the current roster players going to stick around/in the program with all these frosh and transfers coming in and what it might mean for pt |
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GoQuakersGo Sophomore Posts 120 |
05-03-24 10:09 AM - Post#368059
I have been very critical of this coaching staff but I will give them credit for being the most aggressive recruiters on the transfer portal in the Ivies. It might be out of necessity due to weak high school recruiting/player retention and I really cannot comment on the quality of players, but it's definitely a more aggressive approach than simply throwing your hands up in the air and continuing to suck. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8331
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05-03-24 11:12 AM - Post#368063
Have to agree here. It will be very interesting to see what we have in these new recruits. |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
05-03-24 11:41 AM - Post#368068
NOBODY has been more critical then me...and I have no idea who these kids are or their talent level...but I give staff credit for addressing glaring needs in an atypical fashion....hope it works out |
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andybech Freshman Posts 83 |
05-03-24 01:07 PM - Post#368086
Agree that these transfers will help. It sure looks like we'll be going with a lot of small lineups this year. It would be nice if someone like Bradyn Foster could contribute immediately. Otherwise there will be a lot of George Smith at the 4 position defensively. I guess Holland could start there. It just seems he was never trusted for more than instant offense last season. |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
05-03-24 03:54 PM - Post#368098
I like him! He never misses a shot! 
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
05-03-24 06:53 PM - Post#368106
Very clever |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2819 |
05-03-24 09:55 PM - Post#368109
Anyone good enough to make a difference at Penn will likely be attractive in the transfer portal. Be prepared for some one and dones. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
05-04-24 03:36 AM - Post#368110
Yeah, we'll have some competition at guard now - though we'll have little continuity or veteran leadership. Dylan has a .435/.403/.778 stat line. I liked his video. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
05-04-24 06:50 AM - Post#368111
Yeah, we'll have some competition at guard now - though we'll have little continuity or veteran leadership. Dylan has a .435/.403/.778 stat line. I liked his video. I think we're entering a phase where "lack of continuity" is going to be the new normal. The veteran leadership issue you point out will be a problem. Slajchert's departure leaves a void. Who among next year's senior class will step up? Smith? Spinoso? McMullen? Holland? Thrower is the only rising junior with any real game experience to speak of, even though he was out of the rotation much of last season. Sam Brown, as a sophomore? |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
05-04-24 10:44 AM - Post#368114
I think we're entering a phase where "lack of continuity" is going to be the new normal. Harumph. I was going to say exactly that. Unless there's a major, conference-wide policy change, Ivy programs are going to need largely to rebuild every year. Veteran leadership will have to come from players who aren't good enough to attract much interest outside of the conference. Talented players will be constantly entering and leaving. The coaches will need to retool and simplify their offensive and defensive schemes such that their most talented players will be able to get the hang of things on both ends of the court pretty much immediately, as those players are unlikely to be around for more than a season or two. It's a new world, Golda. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
05-04-24 12:11 PM - Post#368116
Obviously a new world, so past rosters may not be indicative of the future. But Penn’s roster was about as small as I can recall last year. So we’re adding a few more bodies, but still looking at 17 for next year, which historically isn’t that unsusual. So hopefully we don’t lose players. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
05-04-24 02:29 PM - Post#368119
So how will this affect us on a relative basis to the other Ivies? This puts an even bigger premium on relentless recruiting and game coaching. These haven't necessarily been Donahue's areas of strength. Teams under his watch have appeared (as an outsider) to be excellent in terms of culture. All of his teams fight to the end and play for each other. The NIL/Transfer era may undermine Donahue's main area of strength. Maybe Donahue will discover resourcefulness or a relatively better pitch than others for this new world. Penn may have something different to offer. Bigger sports city, Big 5, bigger school, Wharton, and Penn network = bigger visibility and opportunities in the Transfer/NIL era. For better or worse, Penn does now have a track record of developing and sending players to major conferences and bigger NIL. I suspect that the financial aid issues relative to HYP become a larger issue for Penn, though. Old arguments about how education will pay back the lack of scholarships in the long run are now dead. A shorter term stint means the value of the degree doesn't matter. Matching HYP aid vs. formulaic policy based aid will be a detriment in the maelstrom of applications and transfers. I wasn't sure of that before, but now I have a much better vantage point. For those that have argued that financial aid policy disparity was not an issue, I can now say with confidence that you were wrong about that. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
05-04-24 03:20 PM - Post#368122
Penn actually takes transfers. Princeton historically takes very few, whether athletes or not, so the Quakers have a structural advantage there that would weigh against financial aid disadvantages. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
05-04-24 03:42 PM - Post#368123
I don’t think the arguments about the longterm value of the education are dead. Yes, we had a number of important transfers, and that is new. So it is no longer true that the longterm value of the degree nearly always wins out. But it still often wins out, as it appears it did for Pierce, Lee, Mbeng, Poulakidas, Lilly, and Nana. And for Rubio de la Rosa, Spinoso, and Brown at the next tier of players. More players are staying than going, and some of the guys who are staying presumably would have big NIL opportunities. On the situation for Penn in particular, Penn may have a first mover advantage regarding transfers. If it works, presumably other Ivy schools would step more aggressively into the space. And then we would see whether the HYP advantages would come into play on portal recruiting in the way they do coming out of high school. |
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slane Freshman Posts 72 |
05-05-24 11:53 PM - Post#368159
Interesting read: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/... |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
05-06-24 12:17 AM - Post#368160
Penn actually takes transfers. Princeton historically takes very few, whether athletes or not, so the Quakers have a structural advantage there that would weigh against financial aid disadvantages. Penn may not have had a moratorium on transfers, but generally took few as well. More importantly, there have been very few impact transfers over the last 20 years. Moshkovitz and Caleb Wood are the best I can think of from that period. It mainly filled desperate needs rather than bringing stars to the team. It has not been a meaningful offset to financial aid disparities in any recent time. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
05-07-24 07:20 PM - Post#368223
My point was that Donahue gets to make a strategic choice about whether to go for transfers because Penn the university is open to them. HYP as universities accept very few transfers for any reason. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32901 |
05-07-24 08:46 PM - Post#368225
All three state on their websites that they accept transfer students, albeit in small numbers. So the decision not to accept transfers for basketball is something at odds with institutional policy and can be changed. |
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JDP Masters Student Posts 581 |
05-07-24 09:57 PM - Post#368226
Each school has institutional advantages and disadvantages that benefit and hinder their basketball programs. Some may have more access to transfers, some have better financial aid policies. We all need to optimize for our own circumstances. The Ivy League is not a level playing field. I will point out that the Harvard women's basketball program consistently has been adding transfers from Power 5 conferences. Yale women's basketball added a transfer from Wisconsin for the 24-25 campaign. Columbia women's basketball also has been very active in the transfer portal. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
05-08-24 10:10 PM - Post#368250
Yale's Simmons is a transfer from Northwestern no? |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
05-08-24 10:34 PM - Post#368251
Yale's Simmons is a transfer from Northwestern no? He is. He'd be a lot more dangerous if he had an offensive game. |
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mobrien Masters Student Posts 403 |
05-10-24 11:11 AM - Post#368285
That's an interesting point about the women's teams getting so many transfers. I'm not sure how much the men's teams can emulate it though. There's so little money in women's NIL that the transfer portal is an even playing ground for Ivy teams. That's not true for the men. That doesn't mean the men's teams should give up on transfers. Just that you'd be looking for guys who were either hurt or struggled to get playing time at big schools. |
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CM Masters Student Posts 437 |
05-10-24 11:33 AM - Post#368286
Columbia WBB's P5 transfer last year scored 4 pts all season and Harvard's P5 transfer averaged 2 ppg. So we cannot assume that just because a kid is coming into the IL from a P5 program that they'll have immediate and profound impact. |
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