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hoops123 
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01-31-17 02:33 AM - Post#220001    
    In response to hoopla

Hoopla:(My comments) and yours: Regarding Cormier: Perplexed and disturbed by the firing of Cormier like many others (the people on the inside were neither perplexed nor disturbed. Only people that don't know the real reasons he was let go were)I looked at his record. Looked at the Kenpom stats, and saw the steady growth in key stats, in recruiting, and in rankings at Dartmouth. At a time when the Ivy was rising, he kept pace (pretty mediocre standard here)and then some(not so much). Look at where he started and where he ended (huh? see stats below), both in rankings and in wins. (So your measuring stick for his success is the closed universe of Dartmouth Basketball including his finishing at the bottom half of the Ivy League in all but one year (we were 4th)in his most recent stint? We should keep a coach with an awful career coaching record just because he had a couple of decent seasons at Dartmouth over a 13 year career? (First stint: a stellar 47-51 record or .48 winning percentage) (Second and most recent stint: 23-61 for a magical.274 winning percentage. Total Dartmouth winning percentage?? .384. If you "roll" as a head coach with a .384 record at any D1 college program, you get "rolled" out of your job) Oh, and he was 40-64 or .385 winning percentage in between Dartmouth stints at Fairfield. Improving Hoopla?? Where? I don't see any logic here at all. 3 schools, 3 losing records. Sheehy fired (wrong move in my opinion, by the way) Dartmouth Women's Basketball coach Chris Weilgus , who had 12 Ivy League championships, one Patriot League title and seven NCAA Tournament appearances in 28 years! She was a winner! Her overall record: 393-342 Ivy: 227-122. And she got fired! Cormier at Dartmouth: One CIT appearance in 13 years! Did he win the Ivy League even once? Nope. Were there/are there better options out there to lead a Dartmouth team than him? Yep. Lots of them. Hopefully we have one in Mclaughlin. And if you really had inside information, we wouldn't even be having this "discussion".)

Cormier is the most successful coach over the last 60 years at Dartmouth.(In some ways Hoopla, that's like being the biggest kid in kindergarten. It actually means nothing. They won't be erecting any statues of Cormier at Dartmouth. With your line of thinking, if you had 10 coaches during that time and the best one had a 3 win season, we should keep him because he won more than the others?? What if a big time D1 coach that made it to a few final 4's decided to end his career coaching at Dartmouth. We should keep Cormier instead because he was "the most successful" we've had at Dartmouth in 60 years??? That's absurd.) His record, I found, is the result of inheriting nothing but rebuilding projects at each of his stints.(Sounds like excuses for not winning to me. If that's the case, why weren't his recent teams more successful? Remember, he "inherited" his own recruits. And many of his own recruits left under his tutelage. Why? Coincidence? Bad luck? Ask some players why Mitola left. I have. He had to have planned to leave years before he left. If Cormier was such a great coach, why would Mitola risk leaving a starting position and guaranteed playing time as one of the Ivy League's top players for a coming off the bench role at GW? Oh and PS, he never bothered to tell Cormier in advance of his decision. And Cormier himself said he was shocked and surprised by his leaving and that he had no idea he planned to leave. That was in the Valley News. Hmmm. Guessing they weren't exchanging Christmas cards. Ask people in your circles why so many players left his teams? Curious what you discover!)

I have heard from insiders, too, both at Dartmouth and in the coaching world. Including prominent alumni who played for him. Essentially, the opposite of what you are spreading about him H123. So I guess we roll in different circles.(So Hoopla has just accused me of "spreading" essentially "opposite" of what he believes are truths because he believes his "circles" are closer to the truth than mine. Hmmmm. I'm not spreading anything. My opinions are mine and mine alone. This is a chat board for Dartmouth basketball. I support my opinions with opinions of credible people I know that are in the know who I speak to and believe. Readers of this "debate" can make up their own minds. And Hoopla, as you've hopefully noticed, I completely disagree with you on Cormier)

Regarding McClaughlin, the rumors of his hire... Doubtful. (You are welcome to doubt me. Given your positions on some of the things I've said, no surprise there.)He is having a tough start but he is young and deserves the time and space. He has it in him, and I'm confident he'll rise to the challenge.(Hopefully, for the sake of the program. And I hope Mclaughlin is wildly successful. But I'll always take your comments with many grains of salt Hoopla. You've already told us that you thought we should have kept a losing coach with an awful record cause he was "the most successful" Dartmouth ever had. Certainly depends on how one defines "successful". 228–322 (.415)career record. I don't call that "successful". But since you defend Cormier and are clearly against his firing, I'll take that standard into account in our future discussions. Go Big Green!


Edited by hoops123 on 01-31-17 02:42 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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