09-13-20 08:43 AM - Post#313224 In response to Silver Maple
OK, be cautiously optimistic if you want. However being an over-achiever is only a piece of the puzzle. Guys like Bruce and Darnell certainly had way more than their fair share of drive but they also had enough athletic ability to back it up.
Even if I concede your Amaker and Jones point, look at where Harvard and Yale finish in the standings year after year.