Quakermaniac81
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03-19-10 01:26 PM - Post#79382
Rooting my heart out for the Cornell Big Red to pull off this upset as it would be terrific for the League. Nothing but the best to Coach Donahue, wherever he coaches, always.
I can remember when Penn played Div. I basketball and would enjoy immensely living vicariously through any Cornell success in the 2010 Madness.
Best of luck and success to you in the coming 20 minutes; May The Force Be With You!
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Penn94
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03-19-10 01:32 PM - Post#79384
In response to Quakermaniac81
If Fran stays with the exciting "let's not contest any shots on D and only shoot threes on offense" strategy, Cornell will win.
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SomeGuy
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03-19-10 01:36 PM - Post#79385
In response to Penn94
It's funny -- Penn kind of won with the let the Big 3 get theirs' and stop everybody else strategy. Temple seems to have taken that to the extreme.
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Quakermaniac81
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03-19-10 01:54 PM - Post#79386
In response to SomeGuy
14:13 to go, and counting....
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Red n Blue
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03-19-10 01:58 PM - Post#79387
In response to Quakermaniac81
Let's go Big Red!!!
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Quakermaniac81
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03-19-10 02:02 PM - Post#79388
In response to Red n Blue
10:39, and counting.....this is exciting!
P.S.--by the way, where was Penn coach Fran Dunphy when Wittman, Dale and Foote were in high school???
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penn nation
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03-19-10 02:08 PM - Post#79389
In response to Quakermaniac81
Good for Cornell. Certainly the best Ivy team since the late 90s and they're playing like it.
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Howard Gensler
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03-19-10 02:14 PM - Post#79391
In response to penn nation
Temple has been a step late on switches all game and the Cornell seniors are playing fantastic. Dale is making up for his poor tournament games with a tremendous all-around game so far. And Donahue, who's also having a tremendous game, is coaching himself into a BIG pay raise.
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Howard Gensler
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03-19-10 02:17 PM - Post#79392
In response to Howard Gensler
If Temple fouls the rest of the way, Cornell could win this by 30.
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Quakermaniac81
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03-19-10 02:17 PM - Post#79393
In response to Howard Gensler
t- minus six minutes, and counting!....
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mmp629
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03-19-10 02:21 PM - Post#79395
In response to Quakermaniac81
This is awesome for Cornell!! Go Big Red!
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PeteD
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03-19-10 02:23 PM - Post#79396
In response to Quakermaniac81
I guess this turned out to be a bad matchup for Temple 
Looks like Jay Bilas' statement that "Cornell can make a deep run" doesn't look so crazy anymore.
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Quakermaniac81
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03-19-10 02:23 PM - Post#79397
In response to Quakermaniac81
3:57 to go, and counting.....could this REALLY happen??? When I saw the seedings, my reaction was that the Committee wanted to dispatch Cornell in as expeditious a manner as possible, and contrived this matchup to serve that purpose.
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penn nation
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20 Minutes To Go!
03-19-10 02:26 PM - Post#79398
In response to Quakermaniac81
The only downer in this is that you have to feel for Fran. Keeps on breaking his own inauspicious NCAA record.
Another plus--this should make the powers that be appreciate what Jerome did against this team in the Palestra even more
Edited by penn nation on 03-19-10 02:28 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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03-19-10 02:27 PM - Post#79399
In response to Quakermaniac81
3:57 to go, and counting.....could this REALLY happen??? When I saw the seedings, my reaction was that the Committee wanted to dispatch Cornell in as expeditious a manner as possible, and contrived this matchup to serve that purpose.
They must not have looked at Dunphy's tournament record.
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mmp629
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03-19-10 02:28 PM - Post#79400
In response to penn nation
From the score, they are making Temple look terrible. What's up with that?
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Jeff2sf
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03-19-10 02:30 PM - Post#79401
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
it is impossible to overstate just how incompetent temple looks.
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penn nation
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03-19-10 02:30 PM - Post#79402
In response to mmp629
Temple never really threatened and Cornell utterly dominated. If you were color blind, you would have sworn that Cornell was the 5 seed and Temple the 12 seed
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The Willow
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03-19-10 02:33 PM - Post#79403
In response to penn nation
Congrats Cornell. Poor Dunph.
(But no, I will not give your regards to Broadway)
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Red n Blue
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03-19-10 02:34 PM - Post#79406
In response to Red n Blue
What an impressive win!!!
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sparman
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03-19-10 02:34 PM - Post#79407
In response to The Willow
Good work, Cornell.
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Quakermaniac81
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03-19-10 02:35 PM - Post#79409
In response to The Willow
WOW!!!
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Red n Blue
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03-19-10 02:37 PM - Post#79410
In response to Red n Blue
Time to start up the Cornell-Wisconsin thread.
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Howard Gensler
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03-19-10 02:38 PM - Post#79411
In response to Quakermaniac81
Cornell outplayed Temple in every facet. Game actually turned out to be a bit of a mismatch.
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Chip Bayers
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03-19-10 02:40 PM - Post#79417
In response to Quakermaniac81
One big difference in the game, and something I should have recognized would be a factor, is that Temple had no athletic advantage over Cornell, especially on the wings. That's usually been the downfall of Ivy teams in tournament games in the past.
The guys who might have played that role for Temple, Jefferson and Moore, were complete non-factors - Moore, in fact, was a huge negative with his poor defense (actually ran away from Wittman on the perimeter at one point in the first half when Temple was within four or five, and Wittman promptly hit a three) and some really boneheaded play on offense.
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gokinsmen
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03-19-10 02:45 PM - Post#79428
In response to Howard Gensler
To be fair to Cornell: Temple came in with the right gameplan and executed decently for most of the game. They didn't choke and give it to the Big Red. Cornell won; Temple didn't lose.
To be fair to Temple: Cornell couldn't miss for about 37 minutes -- both their shots and their passes inside. As people said when Penn beat Cornell -- if you shoot like that you're gonna beat almost everybody.
To be fair to Princeton: How good is our D? Holding them to 48 and 50.
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SomeGuy
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03-19-10 03:03 PM - Post#79441
In response to gokinsmen
This was exactly the scenario where Cornell could win -- if they came in and shot the lights out (always a possibility for a good shooting team). Interestingly, Cornell didn't play as well on defense as I would have expected, but they made up for it with offense and rebounding. Great win for Cornell and the league. I feel bad for Fran, though.
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Howard Gensler
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03-19-10 03:51 PM - Post#79457
In response to SomeGuy
I thought Cornell played very good D. They were physical and contested almost everything. How many really clean looks did Temple get?
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Penn94
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03-19-10 05:12 PM - Post#79474
In response to Howard Gensler
Great game and effort by Cornell. I was sitting with some Temple alumns who could not understand why Temple's offense camped out behind the three-point line in the first half, but all the credit goes to the Red, for finally stepping on when the lights were on. They looked great. Congrats to coach Donahue. Almost got a chance to wear whites on Sunday with the near Wofford win, but the game against Wisconsin (which beat Duke) should be fun to watch.
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SomeGuy
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03-19-10 08:42 PM - Post#79492
In response to Howard Gensler
Well, I guess I have trouble calling the D very good when the other team shoots it the way Temple did. And not to sound like P38, but I thought the key in this one was that Cornell kept scoring even when Temple made a very good offensive run early in the 2nd half.
But I don't mean to take anything away from Cornell. As you say, they played a GREAT game.
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Howard Gensler
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03-19-10 09:18 PM - Post#79495
In response to SomeGuy
I agree that Cornell's offense (and Temple's surprisingly lax defense) won them the game. I just thought that for a team that had never played much D the past two years, Cornell's physicality and aggressiveness gave Temple very few quick, easy shots.
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SomeGuy
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03-19-10 09:54 PM - Post#79499
In response to Howard Gensler
Yes -- the big difference between Cornell this year and the previous two is that something seemed to click defensively in the Kansas game and then keep clicking the rest of the year. They became a more complete team.
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Chip Bayers
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03-20-10 02:28 AM - Post#79519
In response to SomeGuy
Very handsy on the perimeter (last few years, the referees in the tournament have decided handchecking will rarely if ever be called) and lots of hands in the passing lanes - Fernandez kept expecting to have openings that just weren't there.
They play like that again, Wisconsin is a very winnable game. Badgers offense was just awful against Wofford for most of the afternoon.
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AsiaSunset
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03-20-10 08:19 AM - Post#79524
In response to Chip Bayers
A great win. I'm sorry I couldn't watch this one.
I did sense that Cornell had a shot after watching the Temple/Richmond game last week; however, who could have expected such total domination. Playing Wisconsin is always a war, but this is another team that Cornell matches up well with, at least on paper.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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03-20-10 09:53 AM - Post#79530
In response to AsiaSunset
Somewhere Wolfgang Florin is smiling...
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Old Bear
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Re: Cornell Defense
03-20-10 05:48 PM - Post#79548
In response to SomeGuy
SG, Brown score 47 in the first half against that Cornell defense.
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gokinsmen
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03-20-10 07:56 PM - Post#79554
In response to Old Bear
Oh my lordy...UNI beat Kansas. And they were just better (it was only close because UNI couldn't inbound the ball three times in a row).
I guess nobody's a lock.
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TheLine
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03-21-10 09:26 AM - Post#79572
In response to gokinsmen
Wisconsin ranks as #4 in the Pomeroy ratings. They are an excellent rebounding team that doesn't give up many second chances, doesn't turn the ball over, and hits the boards hard on the offensive end.
Expect Wisconsin to apply more pressure on the ball. Keys will be Dale and Wrobo's ability to handle the pressure, and Foote's ability to handle the Wisconsin bigs. Coury should be seeing more action than he did against Temple.
It's a more difficult opponent, but if Cornell plays as well as the did on Friday then they can win.
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Howard Gensler
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03-21-10 12:17 PM - Post#79576
In response to TheLine
No question Cornell can win - Wisconsin's going to have to better on the offensive end than they were on Friday.
And Northern Iowa's win over Kansas is a textbook case of how Cornell almost beat them. If Cornell had gotten them on a neutral court - or at least a more neutral court than Allen Fieldhouse - they probably would have beaten them.
The way this tournament is going Cornell could beat almost anyone.
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penn62
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03-21-10 12:38 PM - Post#79578
In response to Howard Gensler
If my mother were my father.
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penn nation
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20 Minutes To Go!
03-21-10 01:56 PM - Post#79587
In response to penn62
I disagree.
If you've followed Cornell all year, then you know there's no reason why they can't beat anyone if they play their 'A' game.
I could definitely see them winning today--this is not one of Bo Ryan's best teams, by any stretch.
Then they'd go to Syracuse for some home cooking...who knows?
Edited by penn nation on 03-21-10 01:56 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn62
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Re: 20 Minutes To Go!
03-21-10 10:44 PM - Post#79686
In response to penn nation
Of course they can win. I was referring to all the "ifs" in Howard's post.
And a side comment. Statements denigrating the way Princeton wins with the "system" as opposed to Cornell's style are just plain stupid. The object is to get the win.
It would be like saying Wakefield can't pitch. All he can do is get outs.
Lest anyone think I am a Princeton or Sox fan, no way!
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