Chuck
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03-21-10 05:13 PM - Post#79632
From a die hard Penn fan...congratulations to the Big Red on two tremendous performances in the NCAA's. Sweet 16 draw is tough, but the team is on a roll, so who knows.
Best Ivy team since the '79 Quakers. Here's to Cornell getting that far this year!
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Dr. V
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-21-04
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03-21-10 05:28 PM - Post#79636
In response to Chuck
Congratulations on an amazing performance!
What is doubly pleasing, from a league standpoint, is not only that an Ivy team has reached the Sweet 16 but that it has done so in a classic and exciting fashion, i.e., not by relying on an alternative style of play, e.g., the Princeton offense.
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CUJacob
Senior
Posts: 353
Reg: 12-05-04
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03-21-10 05:40 PM - Post#79639
In response to Dr. V
Just a jaw dropping couple of games. A very good team that had the weekend of their lives. Surreal.
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Penn94
PhD Student
Posts: 1461
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Reg: 11-21-04
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-21-10 05:58 PM - Post#79643
In response to CUJacob
Congrats. The team looked fantastic
And you're welcome for Penn beating you to knock you into the more Sweet 16 friendly 12 seed instead of an 8-10 seed. 
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Tiger69
Postdoc
Posts: 2814
Reg: 11-23-04
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Re: Congratulations Big Red!!
03-21-10 06:50 PM - Post#79650
In response to Chuck
"Best Ivy team since the '79 Quakers. Here's to Cornell getting that far this year! "
My, my, we certainly are nostalgic for the good old days. Why, I remember ... uh, what was I saying?
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Tiger69
Postdoc
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Re: Congratulations Big Red!!
03-21-10 06:53 PM - Post#79651
In response to Tiger69
Great game Big Red! I only wish that I had seen more of it instead of the Maryland-Michigan State teaser.
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Bruno
PhD Student
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03-21-10 08:14 PM - Post#79662
In response to Tiger69
This one was so fun to watch. Cornell looking like they could play in any conference in the country, and beat anyone in the country. Not just a good basketball team.
I love love love that this team is so much better than the Allen-Maloney Penn team, the Earl-Goodrich Princeton team, the U-Koko Penn team. I know the P guys have to be stewing just a little bit after one of the perennial also-rans runs off the best dynasty in the Ivies in this generation, and actually succeeds on the national stage rather than simply not getting blown out in round 1.
Aaaaaahhhhhh. That's nice.
So happy for Cornell, for the league, and for the fact it's looking like this will never be a P-dominated league again!
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Stuart Suss
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Press conference transcipts
03-21-10 08:23 PM - Post#79663
In response to Bruno
Cornell press conference transcript
Wisconsin press conference transcript
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gokinsmen
Postdoc
Posts: 3664
Reg: 02-06-10
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-21-10 08:26 PM - Post#79664
In response to Bruno
...it's looking like this will never be a P-dominated league again!
Coming soon to an Ivy League near you...
Princeton: 2011 Ivy League Champs
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CUJacob
Senior
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Reg: 12-05-04
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03-21-10 08:56 PM - Post#79667
In response to gokinsmen
The next few years for this league will be mighty interesting. Who's coaching Cornell next year? If he's not Steve Donahue, can he parlay this run into some high level recruits? Is Tommy Amaker long for the Harvard job? Whither Penn?
I think the days of the Ps dominating the league for decades at a time are over, but that doesn't mean Princeton won't win the league next year or that Penn won't be right back in contention soon.
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gokinsmen
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-21-10 09:03 PM - Post#79669
In response to CUJacob
Yeah, I was just goofing. Princeton's only a slight favorite next year and after that, who the heck knows. But you gotta think Donahue just punched his ticket elsewhere -- not that he's eager to leave Cornell, but it's clearly a perfect time to move on.
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penn nation
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Reg: 12-02-04
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03-21-10 09:44 PM - Post#79678
In response to Bruno
I'm not stewing in the least bit. I hope they make it to the Final Four.
I can't say I'd be feeling the same if this were Princeton, and I suspect I'm not alone.
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OzQuaker
Sophomore
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03-21-10 10:11 PM - Post#79681
In response to penn nation
Congrats Cornell! With the owls out, the teams I'm rooting for are Cornell and St Mary's (go Aussies!).
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skiba34
Masters Student
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Reg: 03-11-06
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03-21-10 10:25 PM - Post#79685
In response to OzQuaker
It's really amazing what one good coach can do for a program. Cornell is actually playing as good as in anytime this season.
Congrats on peaking when it really counts.
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TheLine
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03-21-10 10:48 PM - Post#79687
In response to skiba34
Masterful performance. Great coaching, great performances by the big 3 seniors, solid contributions all around. Wire and Coury deserve a heap of credit for their defense and hustle.
You better believe Kentucky has to be nervous about drawing Cornell in the Sweet 16. And I can't believe I just typed that.
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Howard Gensler
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-21-10 11:11 PM - Post#79693
In response to TheLine
I hate the comparisons of is this team better than some team that played 15 or 30 years ago, but from a personal viewing standpoint, the best back-to-back games I ever saw an Ivy team play were Jerome's senior year when Penn led Columbia 48-8 at the half (at Columbia) and the next night went to Cornell and led 48-9 or 49-8 at the half (pchrystie and I argue about this and never bother to check).
These two Cornell games, obviously against much better competition and with much greater significance, may be even better in terms of pure offensive execution. Total domination with every player playing their best. It's incredibly rare to see an entire team in the zone, but they've been incredible.
And I'm not bitter at all about it.
Edited by Howard Gensler on 03-21-10 11:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chip Bayers
Professor
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03-22-10 12:22 AM - Post#79697
In response to Howard Gensler
So which job does Donahue want? Because he's got his pick now.
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Howard Gensler
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Reg: 11-21-04
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03-22-10 01:07 AM - Post#79699
In response to Chip Bayers
I dunno, I think it depends what St. John's does. If, as Dick Weiss said in the NYDN, the Johnnies are really willing to open the vault for Billy Donovan, then a favored NY son like Tom Pecora might move from Hofstra to Seton Hall or Fordham and not St. John's. Don't think Donahue could get St. John's and who needs that grief. Also don't know how Donahue gets along with the Hurleys but he might have a shot at Seton Hall (if Danny Hurley doesn't want it), definitely Fordham if he wants it. Maybe Charlotte. Nice city and lots of direct flights to Philadelphia.
No idea where the family would be willing to move, but if Tubby Smith goes to Auburn, Minnesota might be an option. Maybe also Depaul. He and Fran McCaffrey may be battling over a few of the same jobs.
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Chip Bayers
Professor
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 01:50 AM - Post#79702
In response to Howard Gensler
The winters in Minnesota wouldn't be any worse than Ithaca. And Minneapolis is a real city. Well realer than Ithaca, and with a major airline hub.
DePaul would be an interesting challenge: seems like a longterm turnaround project - the question would be whether the AD and the adminstration would give him anywhere near the time he got at Cornell (2 full recruiting cycles plus) to rebuild the program from scratch, which might be what's necessary. Someone on ESPN was saying right after that firing (I think it was Fraschilla) that they really need an on-campus arena there - the campus is on the North Side, but they play their games all the way out by O'Hare in the former Rosemont Horizon, and that just doesn't cut it anymore except for the occasional game.
I could see Charlotte wanting McCaffrey because the Greensboro experience would make him familiar with recruiting the state.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-22-10 01:52 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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pchrystie
Masters Student
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03-22-10 06:24 AM - Post#79706
In response to TheLine
Masterful performance. Great coaching, great performances by the big 3 seniors, solid contributions all around. Wire and Coury deserve a heap of credit for their defense and hustle.
Lost in all the celebration is the recognition that perhaps the league could have sent a better, hotter team if only the other seven had been given the opportunity of a tournament. Unfortunately, we'll never know how really impressive this postseason COULD have been.
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penn62
PhD Student
Posts: 1053
Reg: 11-27-05
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03-22-10 07:38 AM - Post#79708
In response to pchrystie
better? hotter? huh?
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 07:59 AM - Post#79710
In response to penn62
Notwithstanding my experience of receiving serious biting criticism from the curmudgeony Mr. C., his comment was so dripping with sarcasm that my computer stand is soaked.
Edited by palestra38 on 03-22-10 08:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
Professor
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Reg: 12-02-04
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 08:48 AM - Post#79711
In response to pchrystie
I'm still seething. Dartmouth was only 3 games away from beating its first round opponent, Kentucky, by 50.
Edited by penn nation on 03-22-10 08:48 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Howard Gensler
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 10:21 AM - Post#79717
In response to palestra38
Notwithstanding my experience of receiving serious biting criticism from the curmudgeony Mr. C., his comment was so dripping with sarcasm that my computer stand is soaked.
Speaking of criticizing you, are you still so adamant that Wittman and/or Foote couldn't find a spot on an NBA roster? If you are, you're still wrong.
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SomeGuy
Professor
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Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 10:37 AM - Post#79719
In response to Howard Gensler
I'm sure Louis Dale is just happy he didn't have to face Harrison Gaines in either of the first two rounds.
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penn62
PhD Student
Posts: 1053
Reg: 11-27-05
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Re: Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 10:57 AM - Post#79722
In response to Howard Gensler
I think the odds are against either one of them making it in the NBA(as good as they are). Also they could play in Europe instead of possibly sitting on an NBA bench and making the league minimum.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Press conference transcipts
03-22-10 11:04 AM - Post#79723
In response to Stuart Suss
You gotta love the transcripts of the opposing coaches for these games. Dunphy basically said that they came in planning to defend the three and figured Foote would get his. Didn't work. Wisconsin came in with the theory they would deny Foote. That doesn't seem to work either.
I assume Kentucky will just try to outscore them. One of the reasons I (incorrectly) thought Temple and Wisconsin were bad matchups for Cornell was b/c Cornell had seemed willing to let more deliberate teams set the pace (as they did with Princeton). But Cornell didn't play into their hands at all on that. Now, they get a game where I think it will be to Cornell's advantage to be more deliberate. It's a nearly impossible hill to climb, but if they can make Kentucky uncomfortable early, who knows? Maybe they can keep it close long enough for the experience difference (in Cornell's favor) to matter.
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TheLine
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03-22-10 11:26 AM - Post#79727
In response to SomeGuy
I didn't see much of the Temple game, but I was surprised how Wisconsin defended Cornell. No pressure and very little in the way of different looks to keep Cornell off balance. Cornell had a field day on offense.
Kentucky is way more athletic than Temple or Wisconsin, plus their bigs are active. I think Kentucky will wind up doing a better job defending Cornell and/or getting key Cornell players into foul trouble.
Still, if Cornell plays as well the past two games as they did this week then they can beat anyone.
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
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03-22-10 11:44 AM - Post#79730
In response to TheLine
Congratulations to the Cornell Big Red on two historic wins. The proof is in the accomplishment. Great job by everyone involved.
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Chip Bayers
Professor
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03-22-10 12:15 PM - Post#79735
In response to Red n Blue
The two teams that beat Kentucky in the regular season didn't shoot the lights out from three. South Carolina was only 4-16 from beyond the arc won by attacking the basket - they were only 37% on 2-pt. FGA, but drew a lot of fouls and went 20-28 from the line.
Tennessee, meanwhile, also shot horribly from three - 6-25 - but made an incredible 22 of 24 2-pt. attempts.
A common factor in both games: Kentucky was horrible from three themselves. Overall, they're not a great perimeter shooting team.
Slowing them down or speeding them up didn't seem to matter - they average 70 possessions per game, and both games were at that pace. The SC game was 68 poss., Tennessee was right at 70.
Kentucky is a powerful offensive rebounding team, but even controlling that wasn't necessarily a key to beating them: SC won the off. reb. % war, Tennessee didn't (of course, when you're 22-24 from 2, there aren't a lot of your typical o. boards to get).
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palestra38
Professor
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Re: Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 12:50 PM - Post#79740
In response to SomeGuy
If Penn had had Gaines, they might have swept the Big Red.
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palestra38
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Re: Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 12:52 PM - Post#79741
In response to Howard Gensler
I don't recall exactly, but I thought I had said that while Wittman might make an NBA club with the right needs, he would not be drafted or be an everyday player. I thought he would be better off in Europe.
That being said, I have been extremely impressed with both Foote and Wittman and it shows that one should not overemphasize a single game in evaluating a player.
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gokinsmen
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03-22-10 06:17 PM - Post#79821
In response to palestra38
Taking a cursory look at UK's losses, it also seems that Cousins and (to a lesser extent) Wall got their points and gaudy stats, anyway. But when another Kansas player has a big game -- say, Patterson or Bledsoe -- then you're dead meat.
Defensively, if you're Cornell, I think you just have to focus on things/players you can actually control. Offensively, with Kentucky's athleticism, I think they'll have to hit a bunch of 3s off screens.
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AsiaSunset
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03-22-10 07:45 PM - Post#79828
In response to gokinsmen
Cornell played incredibly well against Wisconsin. They were absolutely terrific across the board. I was surprised that Louis Dale was able to totally outclass the Wisconsin pg - but he did. John Wall may present a bigger challenge. When you play power conference teams, often pg play is determinative.
If Louis Dale can play with that same level of skill and with the same amount of poise he's shown so far in this tournament, Cornell will stay with Kentucky. If John Wall rattles him, Cornell could struggle.
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gokinsmen
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-22-10 11:59 PM - Post#79891
In response to AsiaSunset
John Wall may present a bigger challenge.
Understatement of the year, heh. But yeah, I'm with you. Foote might be able to limit some of Cousins' damage, but Cornell -- like 99.9% of D-I teams -- doesn't really have an answer for John Wall. If they can force him into some bad passes and/or he has an off day with his jumper, I could see Cornell pulling off the ultra-upset. For instance, Sherron Collins had a terrible day from outside as did Scottie Reynolds when those juggernauts went out.
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OzQuaker
Sophomore
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Congratulations Big Red!!
03-23-10 02:32 AM - Post#79900
In response to gokinsmen
Kentucky has two monster big men. While Foote might limit some of Cousins' damage, Cornell will have trouble containing Patrick Patterson at the same time. I don't know whether Coury practised with Patterson when Coury was a Wildcat (and I couldn't be bothered finding out), however I suspect that would be a pretty one sided individual match-up regardless. Cornell's going to have to play great team defense (as they have been to date).
Edited by OzQuaker on 03-23-10 02:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Dr. V
PhD Student
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03-23-10 08:28 AM - Post#79910
In response to OzQuaker
Interestingly, it seems that if Cornell succeeds at doing what it has done well thus far, it has a chance, rather than needing to do something completely different. If Cornell continues to shoot 3s well, that will reduce Kentucky's running, at which, with Wall's athleticism, Ky is lethal. Then, if Cornell can continue to switch zones and play them effectively, that might reduce Wall's opportunities for driving to the basket and prompt more long shots, which, if they're not falling, would give Cornell a shot. I know, a lot of ifs, but still, not out of the realm of realistic possibility.
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10Q
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03-26-10 09:06 AM - Post#80198
In response to Dr. V
Congrats Big Red on an historic season. Too bad there wasn't an easier opponent last night.
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Okoro Dude
Senior
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03-26-10 09:56 AM - Post#80205
In response to 10Q
Second the kudos for an amazing tournament and for hanging tough when they could have packed it in last night. CBS in Philly cutaway from the game just after halftime (can't blame them, the KSU-Xavier game was fantastic). As I watched the ticker, I couldn't believe that Kentucky wasn't scoring in the second half. If I have it right (and I might not), I think Cornell got it back to 40-34 with around 6 minutes left. That means they held Kentucky to 8 points in the first 14 minutes of the half! Since I didn't see it, I don't know where to give credit, but that is very impressive to cut that 16 point deficit methodically down to 6 when Cornell could have easily gotten blown out after the meltdown in the first half and when they clearly were struggling to score themselves in the second half.
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Red n Blue
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03-26-10 10:02 AM - Post#80208
In response to Okoro Dude
Congratulations to the Cornell Big Red! Both your season and your tournament play were worthy of and garnered national attention. Clearly the best performance by an Ivy Team in the last 30 years. Impressively, both of your tournament wins were decisive. All the best to Steve Donahue and the team.
And a special thanks for proving to doubters that an Ivy team can do some damage in the tournament!
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10Q
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03-26-10 10:47 AM - Post#80214
In response to Red n Blue
Let's hope it's not another 30 years.
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