penn nation
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03-25-10 10:21 PM - Post#80134
UK must have watched the Temple and Wisconsin tapes. They're playing very good defense...good switching...after the initial flurry, not a ton of open looks so far for Cornell.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 10:23 PM - Post#80135
In response to penn nation
Agreed. Cornell's only going to stop Kentucky so much. They have to outscore them to win. So far that's going to be tough.
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penn nation
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03-25-10 10:33 PM - Post#80136
In response to Howard Gensler
And they have to do the little things, like grabbing defensive boards, making FTs, and avoid telegraphing passes.
We haven't seen Cornell's A game yet...they will need it if they want to win. Kentucky's playing like they want it more.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 10:33 PM - Post#80137
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Kentucky is really making Foote work for everything.
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Howard Gensler
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UK-Cornell
03-25-10 10:43 PM - Post#80138
In response to Howard Gensler
Dang! This is a game I've seen before. Kentucky is making the whole Cornell team work for everything. Can they play with this type of intensity for a whole game? Currently on a 23-6 run.
Edited by Howard Gensler on 03-25-10 10:45 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 10:45 PM - Post#80139
In response to Howard Gensler
This could get very ugly. Wittman and Dale have been rendered invisible by the perimeter D. Also, the supporting cast players who did all the little things in the previous games have been liabilities most of the time they've been out there, Coury and Wire in particular.
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penn nation
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03-25-10 10:46 PM - Post#80140
In response to Howard Gensler
The truth is that Foote is their best option right now. But he's taking too long to set up. He's had an open baseline any number of times if he just started to spin there once he gets the ball.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 10:48 PM - Post#80142
In response to Chip Bayers
Maybe all these breaks can get Kentucky out of its defensive rhythm.
Agreed, that the subs have looked outmatched. Not surprising, we just haven't seen it.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 10:51 PM - Post#80143
In response to Howard Gensler
This is very close to being over.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 10:54 PM - Post#80144
In response to Howard Gensler
Sheesh. Kentucky ends half on a 30-6 run. That was impressive.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 10:55 PM - Post#80145
In response to Howard Gensler
I know Calipari is a rogue coach and I have no idea how much that UK team gets paid, but to start three freshman and a soph and play D like that, the guy can coach.
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penn nation
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03-25-10 10:55 PM - Post#80146
In response to Howard Gensler
I'm sure that was the fewest number of shots put up by Cornell in a half in a long, long time.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 10:56 PM - Post#80147
In response to Howard Gensler
I don't even know what adjustments you make at the half, except for perhaps trying to pound it into Foote more.
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Redfish
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03-25-10 10:57 PM - Post#80148
In response to Chip Bayers
Not gonna shoot over 50% from 3 every game.
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gokinsmen
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UK-Cornell
03-25-10 10:58 PM - Post#80149
In response to Chip Bayers
Ugh. Kentucky's defense is just too much. I haven't seen anyone defend the arc like that against Cornell since, well, Princeton. And then you throw in Kentucky's offensive weapons...not a good recipe. For all the CU TOs and UK transition buckets, the frustrating thing is that holding Kentucky to 32 pts in the first half isn't bad at all. The Wildcat defense simply turned it up a notch after the first five minutes or so.
There was a moment where Calipari was chewing out Cousins (who was having a great game) while he was on the bench and I just wanted DeMarcus to punch that POS in the face.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 10:59 PM - Post#80150
In response to Chip Bayers
Defensively maybe pack the zone in tight, prevent anyone from getting into the lane in the halfcourt, take your chances entirely with the three. They were getting killed most of the half by dribble penetration into the gaps.
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penn nation
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03-25-10 11:00 PM - Post#80151
In response to Chip Bayers
Surely they could improve on getting to loose balls on both sides of the court. That has severely limited their number of opportunities to shoot.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:01 PM - Post#80152
In response to penn nation
There was one play very early that was a little too telling: Kentucky missed, and three Cornell guys let the rebound hit the floor without even getting a hand on it, then let a Kentucky guy scoop it up for a second chance opportunity. Just terrible.
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TheLine
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Re: UK-Cornell
03-25-10 11:03 PM - Post#80153
In response to gokinsmen
There was a moment where Calipari was chewing out Cousins (who was having a great game) while he was on the bench and I just wanted DeMarcus to punch that POS in the face.
Indeed.
John Chaney, where are you?
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gokinsmen
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03-25-10 11:04 PM - Post#80154
In response to Chip Bayers
Someone except Wittman has to shoot 3s. They are on him like glue, and he's turning it over as a result of being preoccupied with creating his own shot. Jaques, Wrobo, and Reeves need to step up.
Needless to say, this is not looking good whatsoever, but Cornell is the #1 3-pt shooting team in the nation and they're probably the only non-explosive team that has a prayer at getting back in this game.
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penn nation
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03-25-10 11:04 PM - Post#80155
In response to Chip Bayers
And on the other end, it's one and done (other than the times they turn it over).
I would concentrate on what they could do offensively...as we saw in the Temple game, if they are on their game hitting 3s it doesn't necessarily matter so much if the other team does OK hitting 2s.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:06 PM - Post#80156
In response to penn nation
To hit threes you have to get looks from three. They're doing all their usual screening and cutting - Kentucky's just doing an incredible job of staying with them on the perimeter. I don't know what the solution is there except to hope that Kentucky slackens the intensity.
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umbrellaman
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03-25-10 11:07 PM - Post#80157
In response to Chip Bayers
Chip, I think they were pretty much doing packing the zone in tight, and doing decently in the half-court. I think they are simply getting physically worn down. Turnovers and fast break points are the difference.
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TheLine
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03-25-10 11:08 PM - Post#80158
In response to Chip Bayers
There is no chance, Kentucky doesn't let up. They are putting more pressure on the ball than Cornell can handle. And they have guys talented enough to play Foote straight up.
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umbrellaman
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03-25-10 11:10 PM - Post#80159
In response to Chip Bayers
Kentucky also has done a great job of scouting who can shoot the 3 for Cornell. They seem to be pretty disciplined in not doubling off Wittman, Dale, Wrobleski.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:11 PM - Post#80160
In response to TheLine
Anyone else think Cousins was staring down Bilas there as they went to the locker rooms? He was definitely eyeballing someone in the vicinity of midcourt. No doubt those Bilas comments from Selection Sunday about Cornell beating Kentucky have been replayed a lot for them by Calipari the last couple of days.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:16 PM - Post#80161
In response to Chip Bayers
And CBS gives up on Cornell, at least here on the West Coast.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 11:16 PM - Post#80162
In response to Chip Bayers
CBS just switched away a minute in to the second half. Still 11 minutes to go in the K-State game.
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gokinsmen
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03-25-10 11:17 PM - Post#80164
In response to TheLine
Yeah, to be honest, Cornell dominated Wisconsin and Temple and they were more than capable of beating Michigan State or even Syracuse. But Kentucky is very different kettle of fish (they're even more athletic than Kansas). With the virtual home court and an early lead, I thought UK's freshmen might panic and make it a game, but they regained their composure.
Jaques misses a good look -- that's what I'm talking about. UK is playing great perimeter D, but I still think Wittman is the only one who's being totally suffocated.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 11:19 PM - Post#80165
In response to gokinsmen
Kentucky took Cornell out of its comfort zone after that early spurt. They contested everything, which changes the looks even when they're not contested. They upped the pace, which is weird to say in a 32-16 half. But Kentucky used its athleticism in ways that Wisconsin and Temple didn't.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:20 PM - Post#80166
In response to gokinsmen
Cornell hitting the offense glass now. That's necessary, but also what could turn this even uglier.
Wittman misses a wide, wide open look, and badly.
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TheLine
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03-25-10 11:20 PM - Post#80167
In response to gokinsmen
It's like Cornell is up against 5 Kareem Maddox's of various sizes and offensive abilities.
No more game here. Time to give up.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:21 PM - Post#80168
In response to TheLine
They've held Kentucky to one FG in the first four minutes of the half and shaved all of 2 points off the lead.
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gokinsmen
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03-25-10 11:24 PM - Post#80169
In response to Chip Bayers
Can't the Big Red use some ball fakes on their 3s?
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:25 PM - Post#80170
In response to gokinsmen
They've repeatedly used ball fakes.
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gokinsmen
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UK-Cornell
03-25-10 11:26 PM - Post#80171
In response to TheLine
It's like Cornell is up against 5 Kareem Maddox's of various sizes and offensive abilities.
Heh. If we just had TWO Kareem Maddoxes we could have won the league!
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skiba34
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03-25-10 11:27 PM - Post#80172
In response to gokinsmen
Calipari is the biggest cheater in college. Bobby Knight was quoted as saying "how does he still have a job" referring how the NCAA has not gone after his credibility.
At the very least he has left a trail of red-flags.
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gokinsmen
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03-25-10 11:28 PM - Post#80173
In response to skiba34
Well, shooting the 3 in transition is another way to beat UK's perimeter D. You're gonna have to take the quick 1-and-out gamble at this point.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:30 PM - Post#80174
In response to gokinsmen
Jesus, the opportunity has been here to make a huge run this half. Kentucky has gone completely to sleep on offense.
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gokinsmen
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UK-Cornell
03-25-10 11:32 PM - Post#80175
In response to Chip Bayers
Yeah, again, Wrobo, Reeves, and Jaques have all had at least one good look. Even Wittman had a couple good looks by chance. Only Wrobo's second try went it.
EDIT: Another good look for Jaques. I guess Cornell was just due for a cold night.
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gokinsmen
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UK-Cornell
03-25-10 11:34 PM - Post#80176
In response to gokinsmen
Princeton and Harvard get shout-outs -- woo.
Down to 10. Well, this is make or break time.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 11:37 PM - Post#80177
In response to gokinsmen
Yes, they were due to go cold, but Kentucky has also changed their heart rate with the constant pressure. Cornell controlled tempo in its first two games, not here. It changes even the shots that look open.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:39 PM - Post#80178
In response to Howard Gensler
This is unbelievable. Kentucky has scored all of six points, is shooting airballs, and Cornell can't even grab a rebound, and yet they can still cut it to single digits.
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gokinsmen
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UK-Cornell
03-25-10 11:51 PM - Post#80179
In response to Chip Bayers
Damn it! That Wittman shot was 60% down.
I can only imagine that "pep talk" Calipari just gave his guys.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:52 PM - Post#80180
In response to gokinsmen
Down six, they forced a miss, but committed a ridiculously stupid foul on the rebound. Totally unnecessary. UK is trying to gift wrap this for them and Cornell is refusing to accept it.
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gokinsmen
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UK-Cornell
03-25-10 11:56 PM - Post#80181
In response to Chip Bayers
Xavier forces OT against KSU. Man, I wish Gus Johnson was doing this game instead. Just hearing a few seconds of him makes me smile.
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Howard Gensler
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03-25-10 11:57 PM - Post#80182
In response to Chip Bayers
CBS was going to give us the end of UK-Cornell but Xavier-KState just went to OT.
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Chip Bayers
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03-25-10 11:58 PM - Post#80183
In response to Howard Gensler
What a dumbass play by Foote, and he gets away with it.
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gokinsmen
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03-25-10 11:59 PM - Post#80184
In response to Howard Gensler
You could see Jeff Foote immediately extend his hand to Cousins after that takedown -- his emotions just got away from him for a sec and he immediately felt bad. Maybe that gesture staved off the intentional.
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Chip Bayers
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03-26-10 12:00 AM - Post#80185
In response to gokinsmen
Why should the gesture stave off the obvious?
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gokinsmen
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03-26-10 12:00 AM - Post#80186
In response to Chip Bayers
It shouldn't. I just think it did.
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Chip Bayers
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03-26-10 12:04 AM - Post#80187
In response to gokinsmen
19 points in 18 second half minutes for Kentucky, and it's barely made a difference.
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gokinsmen
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UK-Cornell
03-26-10 12:11 AM - Post#80188
In response to Chip Bayers
BTW, Xavier's Jordan Crawford just hit a game tying 3 from Sorrentine Range to force Double OT!! And with Gus Johnson on the call, to boot.
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Howard Gensler
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03-26-10 12:11 AM - Post#80189
In response to Chip Bayers
The Xavier-KState game is unbelievable. 2OT.
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Penn94
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03-26-10 12:26 AM - Post#80190
In response to Howard Gensler
The X-KSU game is the best game i have seen in a long, long, long time....been fun to go from TV (X-KSU) to computer (Cornell-KY on MMOD) all evening.
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Dmon826
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03-26-10 12:27 AM - Post#80191
In response to Howard Gensler
That was one of the most impressive defensive performances I have ever seen.
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Dmon826
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03-26-10 12:27 AM - Post#80192
In response to Dmon826
Also, no way X can do it again, right?
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Old Bear
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03-26-10 10:02 AM - Post#80207
In response to Dmon826
Bigger and quicker is better. I agree that it was KU defense, not cold shooting by Cornell.
CBS kept me up past mid-night watching a game I didn't want to watch!
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