IvyBballFan
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05-07-10 10:29 AM - Post#83047
This guy looks like a pretty good get for Coach Agel and the Bears.
Is there any word whether he might be eligible in January?
That could further tighten up what is shaping up to be an interesting race for the top spot that involves five or six teams.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-07-10 11:55 AM - Post#83053
In response to IvyBballFan
How does the 4 in 5 rule work in a situation like this where the player already sat out a year?
Does he have 3.5 seasons of elibility left or 2.5?
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pennhoops
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05-07-10 12:37 PM - Post#83057
In response to SomeGuy
According to BRF he'll have to sit out the entire season - since Albrecht had previously committed to Cornell (per BRF) I'm inclined to think he knows the details here.
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Mike Porter
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Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-07-10 02:46 PM - Post#83063
In response to pennhoops
Yes the good news for Brown is that when he was committed to Cornell, BRF implied he would be the next coming of Lebron James so you should all be in for a treat!
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SomeGuy
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05-07-10 03:10 PM - Post#83065
In response to pennhoops
Does that mean 2.0 years of eligibility or something else? I can't read BRFian, so I need someone else to interpret.
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gokinsmen
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05-07-10 04:08 PM - Post#83069
In response to SomeGuy
So after all of BRF's bluster and hype, this transfer not only turned down Cornell...but chose Brown instead? Ouch. Congrats to Brown, though. In 2011-12, once this guy is eligible, the Bears may compete after all (combined with the development of their underclassmen). They're getting a combo guard who can come in and score 10-15ppg right away.
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Dmon826
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05-07-10 04:43 PM - Post#83075
In response to gokinsmen
I hear he's down to 5 feet, 8 inches already.
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Mike Porter
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05-08-10 02:56 PM - Post#83092
In response to Dmon826
BRF is sticking to his original way overblown guns on this one!
"Brown got a very good player, Albrecht is far better than any of the Harvard, Penn or Princeton recruits---- but Cornell will be just fine without him. Cornell will probably have the league's best back court next year."
I look forward to seeing what this kid can do in a couple years. Should be interesting.
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gokinsmen
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Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-08-10 06:07 PM - Post#83095
In response to Mike Porter
Well, if he's better than any of Harvard, Penn or Princeton's recruits, I guess he must blow Cornell's recruits out of the water. Anyway, Albrecht looks very good, but saying stuff like that is so silly and baseless. And almost certainly incorrect, IMO. I mean, he only played half a season and shot just 36% overall (despite shooting 41% from 3).
As for Cornell "probably having the best back court"...um, no. Rosen and Bernardini must be placed far ahead of Wrobo and  [whoever ends up the starting SG, which probably would have been Albrecht...but hey Cornell doesn't need him at all!]. Webster and Curry (with McNally as a key reserve) have more upside than Cornell's potential backcourt. And since Princeton can go with a 3-guard lineup, Davis, Mavraides, and ???[Clement, Bray, et al.] could certainly be as good as (or even better) than Cornell's guards.
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mrjames
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Re: Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-09-10 11:45 AM - Post#83114
In response to gokinsmen
His Pomeroy stats don't necessarily scream future star. He could provide a good shooting touch at a decent percentage, but other than that it's hard to see any other aspects of his game which will "wow" you at this point. He will have a year off to work on defense and getting more involved on the glass and maybe develop an go-to two point shot.
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Howard Gensler
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05-09-10 12:21 PM - Post#83116
In response to mrjames
Also that Toledo was a disaster last season, winning only three D1 games and that he didn't play after the 12th game. Did he quit the team? Was he hurt? Coach's decision?
Also interesting that Albrecht, with a 4.2 GPA in HS considered no Ivies during his recruitment.
Sure seems like a very good shooter, however.
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gokinsmen
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Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-09-10 09:02 PM - Post#83127
In response to Howard Gensler
Supposedly, he had problems with the head coach and his "playing style." Who knows what that actually entails (maybe just a euphemism for "My coach and I hate each other."). He was recruited by Cornell in high school according to BRF's records.
Anyway, Brown is probably the right choice for Albrecht -- he'd get starter's minutes on either team, but there's a better chance to stand out at Brown given Cornell's recent success and the Bears' lack thereof. Albrecht seems to have "All-Ivy" potential...but not necessarily first-team or even second team (not at first anyway). The majority of elite Ivy players are guards after all.
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Dmon826
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05-09-10 09:10 PM - Post#83128
In response to gokinsmen
Why is he more likely to get minutes for Brown than Cornell again? The way I see it, the kid has a very similar skillset to three players already on Brown's roster (the Sullivan boys + Leffelman) and would also have to compete for minutes with their top recruit, that Harris kid, who's also a 2-guard I believe. At Cornell wouldn't he step in right away and be the second or third best guard on the roster? What am I missing?
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Old Bear
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05-09-10 10:18 PM - Post#83133
In response to Dmon826
Brown had a very good point guard (McGonigall) and as well as highly regarded Hakeem Harris in the incoming class, and a 6'5", 2-3 from Ohio (Bieber?),as well as front court players, Tyler Ponticelli, who sat out last year, and 6'7" Dockery Walker in next year's freshman class, and another point guard committed for '11. With Albrecht, and last year's three frosh, Agel is stocking up with quality players. Stay tuned.
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gokinsmen
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Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-09-10 10:45 PM - Post#83135
In response to Dmon826
I didn't say he'd get more minutes at Brown. I said he'd get starter's-type minutes on either squad. Maybe you misunderstood my comment about "standing out." I just mean that he could be at the center of a potential Brown surge. That is, if Cornell were to return to the NCAA or make the NIT in '11-'12 that wouldn't as big a deal as Brown pulling it off.
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gokinsmen
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05-09-10 10:56 PM - Post#83136
In response to gokinsmen
Brown has some nice looking guards coming in. And Albrecht will at least provide some scoring punch from 3. But I'm still not sold on Brown's front court (esp. the underclassmen). I know they racked up some nice point totals, but that was largely thanks to open layups from defensive breakdowns -- while teams were obsessed with guarding Mullery. I don't know how they'll create their own shots without him. Also, Halpern and Matt Sullivan shot just 37% and 34% from the field, respectively. Leffelman and McCarthy are very promising, but again, I haven't yet seen an ability to create on their own.
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Bruno
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05-10-10 10:00 AM - Post#83149
In response to gokinsmen
I agree with this concern. With the incoming crew, Albrecht included, this looks like it's becoming a backcourt-driven team.
Andrew McCarthy is a very nice complimentary player, but probably not a feature player, at least not yet. We are completely without bulk down low. 6'5 Peter Sullivan is our weightiest guy "down low" who will be a meaningful contributor. Ponticelli adds some size and strength, but he strikes me as more of an outside-in player than inside-out. Certainly Halpern is outside-in.
Chris Taylor isn't much of a presence down there. He has some size, but that's about it, and I don't see him as a factor, regardless of whether or not Jesse puts him in the starting lineup, which he may have to simply out of a lack of big enough bodies.
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mrjames
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05-10-10 02:48 PM - Post#83163
In response to Bruno
The Ivy League is getting very, very small. With Mullery and Foote gone, the list of quality big men includes a lot of guys who are 6'6 to 6'8 and very few above that height.
Then, if you narrow it down to guys that are true big men, what does the league have returning?
Sands, Eggleston, Mangano, McCarthy, Howlett and Wright are probably the only true ones with a bunch of swingmen like Casey, Maddox, Sullivan and Halpern vaguely faking it.
In other words, if you can find a dominant big man, you'll have a nice advantage in most games, but given how weak that position is in the league, there is no reason you can't be competitive without one.
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pennhoops
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05-10-10 03:15 PM - Post#83169
In response to mrjames
The Ivy League is getting very, very small. With Mullery and Foote gone, the list of quality big men includes a lot of guys who are 6'6 to 6'8 and very few above that height.
Getting small? The League is tiny, period. When was the last time there was a true All Ivy center? You have to go back to 03 to find more than one big on the list and they were both PFs: Onyekwe and Nuualiitia. Guys like Wallace and Dom Martin were Princeton centers not interior presences. It's been a decade plus since you had Owens and Yanke in the League... until Foote. And I suspect it'll be a while until there's another competent true center. (Unless Malcolm Gilbert decides he really likes Penn.)
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Silver Maple
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05-10-10 03:16 PM - Post#83170
In response to mrjames
I'll go further and say that, in order to compete for Ivy titles on a consistent basis over a long period of time, a coach must assume that he's going to have little or nothing to work with that's over 6-8 and plan accordingly. Look at how many Princeton and Penn teams have dominated the league while topping out at 6-7 or so. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions-- we can all name them-- but there so few really good big players, as opposed to medium-sized and smaller players, available to Ivy coaches, that they need to be realistic about having that aircraft carrier that every coach would love to have in the middle.
I'd be willing to bet that if somebody did an analysis of the last 20 or so years, the Ivy league champ would turn out not to be the tallest team in the conference in most seasons.
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mrjames
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05-10-10 05:00 PM - Post#83175
In response to Silver Maple
I do understand the fundamental concept that this league is rarely going to have a plus-player that's 6'10 or above. But what I'm talking about is even the dearth of competent players at that height or above that could take advantage of a smaller line-up.
For instance, no one is going to remember Brian Cusworth as a dominant big man, but toward the end of his career he had gotten pretty good at killing small teams. Often there are a handful of guys like that running around the Ivies in any particular year - competent big men that can impose their will on small teams.
My comment is more directed at the fact that we don't even have many of THOSE guys running around the league right now. This is certainly the easiest time to get away with not being big in this league.
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Howard Gensler
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05-10-10 05:46 PM - Post#83181
In response to mrjames
What about incoming Harvard recruits Ugo Okam and Monty Brown?
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gokinsmen
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Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-10-10 08:14 PM - Post#83193
In response to Howard Gensler
Well, it's not just about height but wingspan and strength. Kareem Maddox is a long 6-8. And Brendan Connolly is 6-10 260ish (though listed at 6-9) -- he'll be given a chance to play 10-20 minutes next season.
Yale's highly-rated incoming big man Jeremiah Kreisberg is 6-9 with a frame "that should fill out nicely." BTW, Yale's front court scares me and could be a big equalizer in spite of their iffy backcourt.
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Brown50
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05-10-10 08:34 PM - Post#83194
In response to Old Bear
Who is the 6-5 recruit from Ohio?
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mrjames
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05-10-10 09:53 PM - Post#83198
In response to Howard Gensler
What about them, Howard? They are over 6'10. I'll wait until they hit the court to say more than that.
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penn62
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Re: Transfer Stephen Albrecht
05-26-10 11:00 PM - Post#83656
In response to gokinsmen
No team wins even our league with an "iffy back court".
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gokinsmen
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05-27-10 01:33 AM - Post#83658
In response to penn62
Who said anything about winning the league? I just think they could be dangerous next season (6-7 wins with a split against Princeton and/or Harvard).
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gokinsmen
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Transfer Stephen Albrecht
08-27-10 12:27 AM - Post#86084
In response to gokinsmen
http://brownbears.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010- 11/rost...
Surprise? Stephen Albrecht is apparently eligible to play this year. BRF had claimed (after Albrecht decommitted from Cornell) that he was a "longshot" to gain eligibility.
This is a potential shot in the arm for Brown's post-Mullery offense. I didn't see him play, but in his brief freshman stint, he lit up Cincy, Mich State, and Cornell from 3, which is a very encouraging sign. He had some terrible games later on, but maybe that's when the coaching clashes started (which is why he left Toledo).
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IvyBballFan
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Re: Transfer Stephen Albrecht
08-27-10 08:53 AM - Post#86089
In response to gokinsmen
Stephen Albrecht is apparently eligible to play this year.
Stephen Albrecht definitely played for the Toledo Rockets during the Fall-2009 semester. He also was definitely not enrolled at Toledo during the Spring-2010 semester.
It has always seemed that D-1 transfers must sit out two consecutive semesters before gaining eligibility at a new institution.
Unless something special happened here, it seems that Albrecht should be eligible to play for Brown at the end of the Fall-2010 semester. That would still be in time to play the last 20 games of the Bears' schedule, starting with their home game against Army. If he plays up to his potential, Brown will be more likely to make a run in the league this year.
Is there more information to come?
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AsiaSunset
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Re: Transfer Stephen Albrecht
08-27-10 09:50 AM - Post#86090
In response to IvyBballFan
Not only did they have to sit a year, they had to be in residence at their new school for an academic year. Now maybe there's an exception for hardship or something else that is being applied. There always appear to be a nuance or two in these NCAA rules that most of us aren't aware of.
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mrjames
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Re: Transfer Stephen Albrecht
08-27-10 10:07 AM - Post#86092
In response to AsiaSunset
The "residence at new school for a year" is oft overlooked, but the two consecutive semesters rule usually isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if his eligibility starts after fall exams. Just because he's on the roster doesn't mean much.
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Silver Maple
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08-27-10 11:09 AM - Post#86096
In response to mrjames
This definitely suggests that BRF is going to shrink Albrecht again. He'll be under 6 feet before you know it.
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Old Bear
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08-27-10 11:34 AM - Post#86098
In response to Silver Maple
Shortened seasons require shorter players.
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