gokinsmen
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Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-03-10 01:27 AM - Post#88163
In response to puband09
True. I bet you, though, in this interweb age of ours, Hubert and his family are conscious of this stuff and would have to do "damage control" even if Hubert was leaning heavily towards Maryland. You want to keep your options open and other schools interested. No one but Hubert really knows anything, I suppose.
Can't wait till Ian Hummer is buzzing on Twitter: "Pretty sure my man Des is taking his talents to Nassau!"
(...I'm kidding for the record)
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gokinsmen
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-03-10 03:07 PM - Post#88184
In response to gokinsmen
From a Baltimore Sun blog (i.e. U-Maryland homer) so take with Fox News-like caution:
“Princeton’s on a little bit of a different platform right now,†said [Hubert's coach], who noted that Hubert needs to improve his ACT score to attend the Ivy League school. “That’s a different choice, going fully toward academics and kind of sacrificing a little bit of the basketball fame you could get playing in the ACC, I think, on a nightly basis.
"[Hubert] made an official visit to Wake Forest earlier this month, and has been on the Princeton and Villanova campuses several times over the past few years...All five schools bring something unique to the table."
Hubert had a monster junior season for New Egypt, averaging 16.2 points, 10.8 rebounds and 9.1 blocks....He has a seven-foot wingspan and about a 33-inch vertical.
On one hand, I'm concerned that his ACT issues might dampen his enthusiasm. On the other hand, the fact that he's still visited multiple times, included Princeton in his Final Five (you only get five official visits), and is making his official this weekend suggests that he is legit serious about considering the Tigers.
From the interviews I've seen, he seems like a good, bright guy (and they say he does well in the classroom, too). I'm sure he can get his ACT up once the decision is made and he has time/energy to focus on test prep. I don't think SJ and Co. wouldn't be wasting time if they didn't think he could. Also, since it's an Ivy, he can easily decommit and take a BCS offer if it turns out he couldn't get the score.
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cornellfan4
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11-05-10 01:40 PM - Post#88269
In response to gokinsmen
Now this is a dumb NCAA rule:
“We sent recruiting mail out in color on plain white paper,†McCaffery said. “If it was on letterhead it would have been legal. If it was in black and white on plain white paper it would have been legal. But since it was in color on plain white paper it was a violation and we self-reported. So that’s the extent of my transgressions with the NCAA, but it gives you an idea of what we deal with. We called it the ‘Color Paper Caper.’â€
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gokinsmen
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Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-05-10 07:17 PM - Post#88285
In response to cornellfan4
I can vaguely sense the reasoning behind that...which makes it all the more funny.
Speaking of silly arbitrariness, Hubert has been demoted from ESPNU's Top 100, from 4 stars to 3, and his rating cut from 95 to 91. No reason given. Meanwhile, Andre Hollins has jumped into the Top 100 and given an extra star (for signing with Minnesota, I guess?).
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba ll/recruit...
Not that it makes any difference to my excitement or his elite status (Hubert's offer sheet and videos speak for themselves).
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cornellfan4
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11-05-10 07:41 PM - Post#88288
In response to gokinsmen
That might be a good sign for you, maybe that means it is more likely he will end up at Princeton
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puband09
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-05-10 11:47 PM - Post#88293
In response to gokinsmen
Why do you suppose that is? Do you think the sports media/super conference establishment could never let a low/mid-major recruit be a top 100 player? Or is it because people decided his offense sucks over summer?
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cornellfan4
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11-05-10 11:56 PM - Post#88294
In response to puband09
ESPN probably just thought Hollins was going to Harvard and the only way that could happen is that he was not good enough for the other schools to want him. ESPN figures Harvard could not possibly beat out any BCS school if the BCS school really wants the guy so they keep the evaluation low. When Hollins committed to Minn, ESPN realized he was as good as they originally thought because Minn really wanted him.
My thought is that ESPN thinks is that if a guy is really a top 100 player then he shouldnt be going to Harvard/other mid/low majors
As far as Hubert maybe they just need someone to move to make room for Hollins in the top 100
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gokinsmen
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11-07-10 01:50 AM - Post#88317
In response to cornellfan4
I'm fine with guys being moved up and down the Top 100 -- they should be. With more information, you should reevaluate rankings.
But if you're gonna downgrade a recruit's actual talent ratings (four to three stars, from elite BCS to elite mid-major), you owe the recruit and your readers an explanation, if only a quick one sentence bit -- e.g. "Hubert's offense has not improved as quickly as expected." Unfortunately, I'm guessing philly's explanation is closer to the actual reason he's been downgraded and Hollins upgraded.
Whatever. The only reason I posted about this was in case Princeton pulls off a Hail Mary and nabs Hubert. That way, you'll be ready for BRF's inevitable: "No, Hubert is NOT a Top 100 or four-star recruit. Neither Princeton nor Harvard have ever signed an ESPN or Rivals.com Top 100."
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-07-10 11:20 AM - Post#88322
In response to gokinsmen
FWIW, Wes Saunders is in the Rivals Top 100. I also think he's in the top 150 of Hoop Scoop, which used to be a BRF go-to ranking system.
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-07-10 03:58 PM - Post#88328
In response to mrjames
Why do we give a sh** what the ratings services say as long as the coaches like them and they can play??????
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gokinsmen
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11-07-10 08:21 PM - Post#88334
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Because if we ever want to get land a super-elite talent and regularly compete with top BCS programs, things like this can help knock down that mental hurdle. Silly though it may be.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-07-10 08:24 PM - Post#88335
In response to mrjames
FWIW, Wes Saunders is in the Rivals Top 100. I also think he's in the top 150 of Hoop Scoop, which used to be a BRF go-to ranking system.
Oh, okay. Thanks for that info. Although, based on his offers and what I've read, I'm not sure Saunders belongs with the truly elite talents.
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-07-10 09:19 PM - Post#88337
In response to gokinsmen
It appears that he's among those 100 to 200 prospects who are good enough to get BCS interest and offers, but who don't have exclusively BCS lists and who aren't guaranteed to get PT as a frosh/soph and be starters by jr/sr year. Usually those are the guys starting at the fringe of the top 100 list.
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gokinsmen
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11-07-10 09:47 PM - Post#88339
In response to mrjames
That's a good way to put it. He's a tremendous pickup either way. It's just that someone like Hollins or Hubert looks to be on that next level where truly elite begins (where they can plan on Europe/Asia and dream of NBA).
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gokinsmen
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-08-10 07:41 PM - Post#88388
In response to gokinsmen
Well, well now...the Princeton staff & I seem to be on the same page!
http://www.princetonbasketball.com/?p=2729
There was a special guest at Princeton practice over the weekend, former Tiger center Chris Young.
Hubert supposedly made his official visit this past weekend -- I don't think it's a coincidence.
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puband09
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-08-10 07:54 PM - Post#88389
In response to gokinsmen
I thought the exact same thing! Hubert's decision should be coming soon. Hopefully he's working on that ACT score.
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cornellfan4
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-08-10 09:11 PM - Post#88391
In response to gokinsmen
Well, well now...the Princeton staff & I seem to be on the same page!
http://www.princetonbasketball.com/?p=2729
There was a special guest at Princeton practice over the weekend, former Tiger center Chris Young.
Hubert supposedly made his official visit this past weekend -- I don't think it's a coincidence.
I thought that was an NCAA violation???
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gokinsmen
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Re: Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-08-10 09:20 PM - Post#88392
In response to cornellfan4
From what I understand:
"Here's Chris Young." --> Violation
"Do you want to meet Chris Young?" --> Okay
"Sure."
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11-08-10 09:33 PM - Post#88395
In response to gokinsmen
And the intent doesn't matter?
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gokinsmen
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Pie-in-the-Sky Recruits
11-09-10 05:36 AM - Post#88410
In response to Old Bear
As mrjames explained, you can talk about the program and your experience...but not actively recruit. If that sounds silly, pointless, impossible and/or unenforceable then it must be an accurate description of most NCAA recruiting guidelines.
With the exception of something obvious like bribes, it seems as if there's a sea of gray.
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