phillyhound
Junior
Posts: 289
Reg: 11-30-06
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03-08-11 01:03 PM - Post#99480
In response to baltimore baller
Please....I was at the St. Peter's-Loyola game. St. peter's played terrific ball. We couldn't score to save our lives. No coach can play the game for his team. We came within 3 down the stretch, but on-the-court player decisions put a halt to a possible comeback.
St. Peter's dominated against Iona in the final, which is no great surprise to anyone in Webster Arena on Saturday night. Had you seen the quarterfinals on Saturday night, you would easily have grasped that the four St. Peter's seniors on the floor made them the obvious bet for champs.
That said, had we beat them on Saturday, I think we would have competed and probably beaten Iona in the Championship game.
Onwards and Upwards.
Beaten Iona? Are you out of your mind, Patsos can't even beat Manhattan in the MAAC tourney? And Manhattan is at least cutting ties with their coach.
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MacDog
Masters Student
Posts: 437
Reg: 07-21-06
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03-08-11 05:18 PM - Post#99539
In response to phillyhound
Was John Reimold a Hicks or Gaudio recruit?
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baltimore baller
Freshman
Posts: 26
Reg: 12-24-10
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03-08-11 06:15 PM - Post#99549
In response to phillyhound
You folks are way too negative. The only team to beat us twice this season is Rider. We split or swept all other teams. And, if you were at the game you would know that Jimmy's technical was completely unwarranted. He did nothing more than complain about a call. No swearing, no jumping up and down, no leaving the coaching box. He was actually quite calm throughout the entire game.
We lost momentum because Rudolph took an ill-advised 3-pointer, which he was cautioned not to do all season long. He is a senior, so I won't blame him for the impulse, but it was not his shot to take.
We lost to the eventual tourney champs, who had 5 seniors in the starting lineup. Period. Let's all chill out and see how things shape up next season when we have nearly all of our own players returning.
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WOFM
Freshman
Posts: 92
Reg: 02-24-11
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03-08-11 06:43 PM - Post#99553
In response to baltimore baller
when we have nearly all of our own players returning.
Let's hope so, but I'm always gonna wonder who the next guy to quietly "leave the team" is gonna be....maybe Brooks, maybe Cormier??
And remember, even those of us with less confidence in JP still care enough about this team and this program to be out on this board, and we all want them to succeed, even if we might disagree on the best path to take to get there.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-08-11 09:17 PM - Post#99625
In response to WOFM
brooks can't play does not matter
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phillyhound
Junior
Posts: 289
Reg: 11-30-06
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Hot Seat Part 3: Should he stay or should he go now?
03-08-11 09:48 PM - Post#99653
In response to MacDog
Was John Reimold a Hicks or Gaudio recruit?
Reimold was a Gaudio recruit, but was at Loyola for Hick's first year. I believe Hicks wouldn't let him out of his LOI and convinced him to come. Transferred to Bowling Green and had a decent career, but looked like he could be a star his freshman year.
Edited by phillyhound on 03-08-11 09:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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bigb
Freshman
Posts: 25
Reg: 01-30-07
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03-09-11 11:04 PM - Post#99985
In response to jdubs
I've been there for 60% of the home games Loyola has played during the Patsos era. I have seen very little improvement in his coaching capability during that tenure. He still substitutes like he's ADHD-you make a wrong move and next whistle you are out. He has no feel for the flow of the game. His teams never come out ready to play. Rarely does he make an in-game adjustment. His offense is terrible, and players do not improve year to year. Finally, he doesn't bring the students in. Is that his fault? Maybe not, but part of that is the mediocre teams he trots out there. He does recruit pretty well as his teams rarely are overmatched talent wise, at least in the league.
Bottom line, he's taken the team from terrible to average; but I've been to maybe 3 or 5 games out of 50 that I've walked away saying "Jimmy coached well tonight." If you talk to the boosters, he's already gone.
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loco09
Masters Student
Posts: 526
Reg: 02-08-07
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03-10-11 08:16 AM - Post#100000
In response to bigb
Its clear that you either like Jimmy or you absolutely hate him and want him gone. As far as boosters saying hes gone. First, I am not sure of his contract but I doubt we have the type of donors that are willing to lay down cash to buy out the remaining years. Secondly, if he is in fact gone they need to make the move now rather than wait until May or June so the process can begin.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-10-11 09:30 AM - Post#100006
In response to bigb
he is staying, no way they will eat two years, he calmed down this year, made good decisions like exiting JB, team was inexperienced on a whole , forcing it in tournament, Rudolph had a good year but took bad shots against st peters and didn't let the game come to him, you have a booster on this board who doesn't know so i wonder who your inside booster sources are
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WOFM
Freshman
Posts: 92
Reg: 02-24-11
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03-10-11 10:14 AM - Post#100010
In response to bigb
Agree with everything bigb says about JP, but if he indeed has two years left then I agree with wespearl, he's not going anywhere unless he initiates it. No way Loyola can afford even a minimal buyout.
I don’t know about being “calmed down†but I do agree we have a nucleus of good young talent, enough to compete for a MAAC title next year. At the very least, if we’re sitting here a year from now hoping to back into a 5 or 6 seed, I think even his supporters would then start to see the light…
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jdp 94
Masters Student
Posts: 870
Loc: New York
Reg: 07-20-06
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03-10-11 12:00 PM - Post#100027
In response to loco09
Its clear that you either like Jimmy or you absolutely hate him and want him gone.
I very much like Jimmy and will be forever thankful to him from raising the program from the dead. He was the guy to get the program from point A to point B.
He just not the guy to get us to the next level. Seven years has proven as much.
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greyhound
Freshman
Posts: 31
Age: 39
Reg: 11-23-09
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Hot Seat Part 3: Should he stay or should he go now?
03-10-11 03:11 PM - Post#100080
In response to jdp 94
I have a few friends that are boosters at Loyola and few that are boosters at Maryland. Both groups of boosters know each other and keep in contact quite frequently. I have heard from both groups of boosters what bigb stated early regarding Patsos' tenure.
Not even making it to the MAAC championship game is unacceptable over a 7 year period. Back in 2007-2008, when they were almost a lock to win the league, they blew a 17 point lead to Sienna in the semis...that's the closest the team has gotten.
I just feel that as a Jesuit school located in a talent filled, basketball loving city, Loyola is a sleeping giant. I really think it's possible that if Loyola was to get a young and hungry coach in here, not just using Loyola as a stepping stone, with an even-keeled demeanor and the ability to recruit locally....the sky would be the limit for the program.
It would take time but there's no reason Loyola can't compete with other Jesuit universities like St. Joe's, Creighton, etc. And eventually competing with Xavier, Marquette, and possibly even Georgetown.
Edited by greyhound on 03-10-11 03:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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loco09
Masters Student
Posts: 526
Reg: 02-08-07
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03-10-11 05:36 PM - Post#100129
In response to greyhound
Like I said if these boosters are correct and Jimmy's days are numbered they need to make the move so the search can start as early as the final four. I'm not sure of many candidates out there i dont know if we would go with a hot assistant or with a has been head coach. Of course there is always the high school coaches as well from the Bmore area.
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loco09
Masters Student
Posts: 526
Reg: 02-08-07
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03-10-11 11:08 PM - Post#100165
In response to loco09
Some posters on the Fairfield board really want Patsos gone. Im not sure why a Fairfield fan would be concerned if Jimmy stays or goes.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-11-11 08:00 AM - Post#100189
In response to loco09
loco09, you are as locked into the program as anyone, you are very involved you think you would know, he isn't going anywhere
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phillyhound
Junior
Posts: 289
Reg: 11-30-06
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03-11-11 08:06 AM - Post#100191
In response to wespearl
As soon as another major D1 school on the east coast has an assistant job available, Patsos will probably leave on his own anyways.
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bigb
Freshman
Posts: 25
Reg: 01-30-07
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03-11-11 10:53 AM - Post#100209
In response to phillyhound
He may possibly take another job as an assistant, but I do not see him taking a substantial cut in pay to do so. He also returns a solid core of talent. He has calmed down at least with his sideline antics. I would argue though that his substitution pattern is the same from day 1 of his tenure to today.
I'm not sure of his contract, what options Loyola has to buy him out; but I know that he's on very thin ice. I personally think Loyola would do better severing ties especially if they can upgrade. I am not sure he would have interest, but Loyola should consider making a strong run at Pete Gillen. There are ties to the school, its a small jesuit school in a mid size city (see Xavier), and word is that he's interested in getting back into coaching. Not sure Loyola is high profile enough, but it would be a major coup if Loyola could land a guy like him.
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greyhound
Freshman
Posts: 31
Age: 39
Reg: 11-23-09
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03-11-11 06:14 PM - Post#100271
In response to bigb
Pete Gillen? Are you kidding me? That guy, and his toupee, sucked at UVA. He's also old as $h!t. Why would you bring a coach back to the sidelines after a 6 year departure? Honestly, Pete Gillen is the worst suggestion you could possibly give for a replacement to Patsos.
If Patsos does go, we don't necessarily need someone from another Jesuit or Catholic University...just somebody on the younger side that wants to put in the 70-90 hours per week to turn Loyola around.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-11-11 07:41 PM - Post#100275
In response to greyhound
stay the course
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jdp 94
Masters Student
Posts: 870
Loc: New York
Reg: 07-20-06
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03-11-11 10:13 PM - Post#100293
In response to wespearl
stay the course
...thousand points of light...
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