Albert08
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03-08-11 08:28 PM - Post#99578
In response to gokinsmen
Sorry, guys, but Douglas Davis has become a liability: poor defense, sloppy with the ball, not shooting well. He is great when he's on, but over the last few games, he has been a negative. Glad to see Barrett getting more confidence and playing well.
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gokinsmen
Postdoc
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Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:30 PM - Post#99579
In response to Albert08
Yeah, I feel like a jerk to say it, considering what he's done for the program since Day One, but I can't disagree with you.
That's also why I was pushing for more minutes for Clement. We need a pass-first playmaker with a good handle.
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gokinsmen
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03-08-11 08:35 PM - Post#99582
In response to gokinsmen
Saunders is annoying me, too...missed layups, careless TOs. Put Darrow back in.
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gokinsmen
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Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:38 PM - Post#99585
In response to gokinsmen
I feel like the guys are overly amped up -- intense defense; flubbed layups. Maddox needs to take over, drive to the hoop, and show people why he's POY.
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Albert08
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:47 PM - Post#99587
In response to gokinsmen
The Harvard game exposed this big weakness - we don't have a Curry who can dribble drive and penetrate. If we had that, the big guys would get easy buckets without having to work so hard.
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gokinsmen
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Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:49 PM - Post#99590
In response to gokinsmen
Ugliest half of basketball I've seen all season from Princeton. Great defense is the only reason this game is close.
It's funny both Harvard and Penn are frustrating Princeton by giving them a taste of their own (old) medicine -- intense man-to-man defense, spread-the-floor offense, precise passing for easy layups.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:52 PM - Post#99594
In response to Albert08
The Harvard game exposed this big weakness - we don't have a Curry who can dribble drive and penetrate. If we had that, the big guys would get easy buckets without having to work so hard.
Yup. My only "complaint" about SJ is that he may defer too much to his upperclassmen (i.e. Davis and Saunders) out of respect/appreciation. We've seen what quality underclassmen can do (Hummer, Barrett, Darrow, Bray, Connolly, Hazel, Davis himself as a freshman) and I really wanted to see what Clement or even Sherburne could do.
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Tiger86
Sophomore
Posts: 173
Reg: 02-10-11
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:54 PM - Post#99595
In response to gokinsmen
I'm ready to vomit. Up 11 you could tell they were going to let it all go with the next two few trips up the court. Suddenly it was sloppy passing, no defense, one-on-one forced shots, shoddy defense. Two missed front ends of one-and-ones. The last play throwing away the chance at the last shot with a lazy turnover and then a foul??? We are just really lucky not to be down 6.
How many times have we seen this play before? Let's hope they've done the mandatory blowing of the 10+ point lead and can now settle down and blow Penn away in the second half.
Edited by Tiger86 on 03-08-11 08:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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umbrellaman
Masters Student
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:55 PM - Post#99596
In response to gokinsmen
All this I generally agree with. But the bottom line is that Hummer and Maddox both have 2 points each. The guard play could be better, but both these guys have to finish in double digits.
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gokinsmen
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Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:57 PM - Post#99597
In response to Tiger86
We'll see what this Princeton team is made of now. To be fair, Harvard and Penn are playing us great, so it's not like I expected any kind of blowout. But sloppy passing, missed layups and FTs...they're out of control and need to settle down.
Luckily, they've been able to come back and pull away from teams all season (almost as many times as they've blown leads), so I'm excited for the second half.
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Tiger86
Sophomore
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Reg: 02-10-11
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:57 PM - Post#99598
In response to umbrellaman
Penn was piling up the fouls. That could be big. I think our depth is better.
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Chip Bayers
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03-08-11 08:57 PM - Post#99599
In response to Tiger86
Don't forget that a lot of the lead was built when Penn's starters were out in favor of the senior night lineup. Things really changed for Penn when Cartwright came in - he was the best player on the court in the first half.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 08:58 PM - Post#99601
In response to Tiger86
Penn was piling up the fouls. That could be big. I think our depth is better.
That's a good point. They were frustrating us with intense D -- fouls being the trade off. But we missed two front-ends of one-and-ones, so we have to make them pay for that gamble. Haven't so far.
EDIT: I forgot about the senior night lineup -- happened for us against Columbia.
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Tiger86
Sophomore
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Reg: 02-10-11
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03-08-11 08:59 PM - Post#99602
In response to Chip Bayers
I don't disagree.
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puband09
Masters Student
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Reg: 12-19-09
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 09:00 PM - Post#99603
In response to gokinsmen
You guys were blaming Davis earlier, but I agree with umbrellaman. Maddox hasn't performed, Hummer hasn't performed, Davis hasn't done great. The team's offense is resting on Mavraides, and even he's underperforming. Missing long balls is one thing, but you can't blow that many lay-ups and FTs.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 09:02 PM - Post#99604
In response to puband09
You guys were blaming Davis earlier, but I agree with umbrellaman. Maddox hasn't performed, Hummer hasn't performed, Davis hasn't done great. The team's offense is resting on Mavraides, and even he's underperforming. Missing long balls is one thing, but you can't blow that many lay-ups and FTs.
Well, Maddox and Hummer have been doing it all season (don't get much help from refs either) and find other ways to contribute when not scoring. Davis and Saunders, however, are major liabilities unless they hit shots.
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Chip Bayers
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03-08-11 09:03 PM - Post#99606
In response to gokinsmen
Hummer was a factor on D, at least.
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Tiger86
Sophomore
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Reg: 02-10-11
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Re: Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 09:04 PM - Post#99607
In response to puband09
The slow lazy passes that get picked clean are what drive me nuts. Well at least we didn't foul anyone shooting from three in the first half.
Go Tigers!
Edited by Tiger86 on 03-08-11 09:05 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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gokinsmen
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Penn @ The Palestra
03-08-11 09:07 PM - Post#99610
In response to Tiger86
We're playing like garbage -- missing open layups...getting killed inside with Princeton, yes, Princeton-style offense.
Wake up, Tigers!
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Tiger86
Sophomore
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Reg: 02-10-11
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03-08-11 09:08 PM - Post#99613
In response to gokinsmen
They look like they are afraid to lose.
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