BU GUY
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03-13-11 09:07 PM - Post#100744
There's a lot of talk at pjstar.com that Sydney Johnson is the favorite to be the next head coach at Bradley University - just wondered what the Princeton fans thought of coach Johnson? His stock seems to be high right now after he has had some success the past few years. Good luck against Kentucky!
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puband09
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Re: Coach Sydney Johnson 03-13-11 10:27 PM - Post#100780
In response to BU GUY
Not a chance he goes to Bradley.
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cornellfan4
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03-13-11 11:08 PM - Post#100804
In response to puband09
Only way he leaves is if some Big 6 conference team throws a ton of money at him and even then who knows, he seems to be real happy to coach at PU
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puband09
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03-13-11 11:11 PM - Post#100807
In response to cornellfan4
I agree. After some of the comments he's made this past week, I don't think he's going anywhere any time soon.
Especially not to the Missouri Valley.
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Redfish
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03-14-11 12:13 AM - Post#100838
In response to puband09
Bradley? Who? Where?
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Tiger86
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03-14-11 12:50 AM - Post#100843
In response to Redfish
Bradley? I'd be stunned. He's got Tiger Blood!
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sparman
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03-14-11 08:44 AM - Post#100864
In response to Tiger86
OP meant Bradley as in Bill Bradley U, but SJ's already there.
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Silver Maple
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03-14-11 02:51 PM - Post#100974
In response to sparman
I don't think it's out of the question that Johnson could take another coaching job at some point. The opportunity to double, triple or who knows what his income might just be too much to pass up. But I would be stunned to see him throw over Princeton for Bradley. Stanford? UCLA? Georgetown? Virginia? Sure. I also don't think he needs to be in any rush. Unlike James Jones, who should have taken the opportunity to jump when he could, Johnson is likely to have continued success at Princeton (where, unlike Yale, there's an institutional commitment to winning basketball), so he can bide his time and wait for the right opportunity.
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gokinsmen
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Coach Sydney Johnson 03-14-11 03:09 PM - Post#100981
In response to Silver Maple
Yeah, SJ's not going anywhere soon, and if/when he does, it'll be for a BCS program or elite mid-major (Xavier, Temple, etc.).
That said, BU Guy, I think I speak for Princeton fans when I say our recommendations would be overwhelmingly positive in just about every single way. In fact, the only "negative" I can come up with is that he's too nice and responsible -- he may over-reward hard work and veteran leadership rather than winning at any cost. Not exactly a big knock, that.
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pennhoops
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03-14-11 03:15 PM - Post#100983
In response to gokinsmen
Georgia Tech bought out Paul Hewitt today. Tubby Smith has been mentioned but this seems like the sort of gig Johnson could be linked to.
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puband09
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Re: Coach Sydney Johnson 03-14-11 03:17 PM - Post#100984
In response to gokinsmen
Being a Charlottesville native and painstaking life-long Virginia fan, I would under no circumstances take the Virginia job over Princeton, were I Coach J. The glory ceiling is higher at an ACC school, but the odds of reaching it are infintecimally small at UVA. I'd take the job security at Princeton any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Jeff2sf
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03-14-11 03:36 PM - Post#100991
In response to puband09
I don't really agree with that. Obviously the salary numbers need to be in line, but Coach Johnson can have a Princeton type job basically any time he wants. No, it won't be his alma mater, but it's not like he'd live in the unemployment line if he failed at UVA or other BCS type schools.
So if you can get 3x your salary and 1x your salary at another school should the first school not work out, there's no real danger.
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puband09
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03-14-11 03:59 PM - Post#101000
In response to Jeff2sf
I don't know how many of the press conferences you've heard this year, but it seems clear to me Johnson really doesn't want to be coaching anywhere except Princeton unless it's an insane job like Kansas or something.
I think the risk of going to a place like Virginia, with no basketball history and high coaching turnover rate, only to end up looking for a job in the America East or Great West after 4 years isn't worth leaving a place that I'm sure he considers heaven on earth.
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Jeff2sf
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03-14-11 04:09 PM - Post#101004
In response to puband09
With the exception of Glen Miller, I've never heard a coach NOT refer to his current job as heaven on earth... sometimes just days before they leave for another job.
Don't get me wrong, even if "most people" would take the Bradley job over Princeton (let's assume that's true), he probably wouldn't take the job. But I have a tough time conceiving of too many BCS jobs that he wouldn't take. Not just the Kansas's, but also the Kansas States.
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cornellfan4
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Coach Sydney Johnson 03-14-11 04:09 PM - Post#101005
In response to puband09
I don't know how many of the press conferences you've heard this year, but it seems clear to me Johnson really doesn't want to be coaching anywhere except Princeton unless it's an insane job like Kansas or something.
I think the risk of going to a place like Virginia, with no basketball history and high coaching turnover rate, only to end up looking for a job in the America East or Great West after 4 years isn't worth leaving a place that I'm sure he considers heaven on earth.
Johnson seems to always bring up how he loves being at Princeton and he seems to be genuine but you cant blame a guy for taking a job that increases his salary 3-5x and is at a program that could win a national championship or make a final 4
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gokinsmen
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03-14-11 04:16 PM - Post#101007
In response to cornellfan4
Brad Stevens stuck around at Butler, so it's not impossible. Anyway, it's not like I think SJ will be here forever, but he's not going anywhere in the next year or two.
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sparman
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03-14-11 04:21 PM - Post#101009
In response to Jeff2sf
I don't really agree with that. Obviously the salary numbers need to be in line, but Coach Johnson can have a Princeton type job basically any time he wants. No, it won't be his alma mater, but it's not like he'd live in the unemployment line if he failed at UVA or other BCS type schools. So if you can get 3x your salary and 1x your salary at another school should the first school not work out, there's no real danger.
So, where's Dave Leitaio coaching these days?
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puband09
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03-14-11 04:30 PM - Post#101012
In response to sparman
I think some of you are placing a bit too much emphasis on the money alone. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think in a field like athletics (or film, or music where I happen to work), professionals are equally if not more preoccupied with "glory" and "fame" as they are dolla dolla bills.
If you are Johnson and you see the opportunity to coach for 30 years, get one or two upsets and a boat-load of media attention, and be inducted into the Hall of Fame the year you retire, that's much more intriguing than 5 years of near-guaranteed failure at a non-powerhouse BCS school.
Would a coach with Pete Carill's resume after 30 years at UVA even get inducted or be a flagship name in the NCAA? It doesn't seem like 1 first-round upset and an NIT championship would do it.
Assuming he is compensated enough so as to be comfortable with his family, I easily see the Johnson I think I know sticking with Princeton over a plethora of BCS offers.
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pennhoops
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03-14-11 04:35 PM - Post#101014
In response to puband09
Don't you think the same could apply to every non-Joe Scott Carill successor? Where are those dudes?
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Jeff2sf
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Coach Sydney Johnson 03-14-11 04:41 PM - Post#101016
In response to pennhoops
Exactly, Dunphy did what PUBand describes (Stick around for a while, be a "legend") and bailed, deciding that there was more "glory" beyond some rinky dink Ivy League school.
I'm mostly pushing back at the "coach speak". Coaches all say they love it where they are. And then they move on where the dollars or glory are. I don't think Coach Johnson's going to move on for just any job, but you gotta be kidding yourself if you think he'll stay for only the most elite of jobs (Which he'd never get anyway - Kansas/Kentucky aren't hiring a guy who doesn't recruit scholarship players).
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