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Username Post: Coach Sydney Johnson        (Topic#11781)
sparman 
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sparman
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Coach Sydney Johnson
04-06-11 07:27 PM - Post#103521    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

  • princeton72 Said:
Don't a lot of teams around the country use the Princeton Tetherball offense?


The modern interpretation is to untether from the traditionally more inflexible style. Either way, we have more titles than Penn, and no one remembers when Harvard last won.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Coach Sydney Johnson
04-06-11 07:43 PM - Post#103522    
    In response to sparman

I'm sure someone is going to jump in and say this whole tetherball schtick is stupid, and has hijacked the thread, but honestly, I am getting several chuckles out of it (very funny besnoah), although Siver Maple seems a little bitter.

So, wasn't it a former Princeton tetherball player who quit the team and dropped out of school, who eventually became the tetherball advisor for John Heder in Napoleon Dynamite?

 
Silver Maple 
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04-06-11 09:59 PM - Post#103524    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Bitter? Because I believe that tetherball should be what it was intended to be? A fast-paced, fun, backyard activity that can be played with a beer in your hand? A perfect pastime for those with the attention span of a gnat because a game rarely takes more than ninety seconds? If thinking that a tetherball game that takes nearly three hours to complete and in which the ball never gets above groin level is an abomination makes me bitter, then call me Campari.

 
sparman 
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04-08-11 09:20 AM - Post#103704    
    In response to Silver Maple

We would, but then we couldn't call you a man of the people. Unless drinking parasitic insect acid is what makes one a man of the people.

 
Silver Maple 
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04-08-11 09:52 AM - Post#103706    
    In response to sparman

A number of third world populations obtain a significant proportion of their dietary calories and protein by eating bugs. That sounds pretty 'man of the people' to me.

 
sparman 
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Coach Sydney Johnson
04-08-11 12:07 PM - Post#103722    
    In response to Silver Maple

OK, you're a man of the Third World people. I can live with that, and I'm sure they would love to bunk at your place for a while.

Are the bugs available on the Penn student meal plan?


 
Mike Porter 
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04-08-11 01:32 PM - Post#103727    
    In response to sparman

I wouldn't say they are "available" in the meal plan, but I'm a realist, so it's probably safe to assume they are included free of charge.

 
Chip Bayers 
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04-08-11 11:20 PM - Post#103776    
    In response to Mike Porter

Developing World, please. Third World is out, not least because the Cold War ended more than 20 years ago.


 
Tiger69 
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04-09-11 03:44 AM - Post#103781    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Can't we reminisce for the good old days of the Cold War?

 
EddieAlberto 
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04-09-11 09:32 AM - Post#103785    
    In response to Tiger69

I don't feel bad for Princeton University or its basketball program. The decision to keep Sydney Johnson, or turn him loose, was completely within the University's control and the University made a business decision.

Obviously, noone can feel bad for Sydney Johnson. He too had a great option which was to leave for a job where the program is committed to winning, where he is wanted and where he will make more money. he just has to deal with the short term hypocrite label.

The ONLY victims in this situation (as is usually the case) are the returning players and the new recruits at Princeton, who chose Princeton as their university of choice to play basketball in large part because SJ was the head coach and they believed in his loyalty toward them. Those kids have no ability to control any part of this, and they are the ones who are now left scrambling to make the best of what has been dropped in their laps. Their options are far more limited than anyone else affected by this.

I can only imagine the last meeting between SJ and Doug Davis. "Hey Doug, thanks for that buzzer beater. I am now headed off to greener pastures. Good luck in your senior year with a new coach."

 
cornellfan4 
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Coach Sydney Johnson
04-09-11 10:06 AM - Post#103787    
    In response to EddieAlberto

I wouldnt call him a hypocrite, Johnson has a family too, he went for the money and better administrative support. Sure the kids get screwed but until the NCAA makes some changes the kids will always get screwed. They know that their coach could leave any given year. If they allow coaches to leave like that then the kids should be allowed to transfer anywhere without sitting out a year, its only fair.

The coaches make hundred of thousands to millions of dollars and the kids who do the actual work get $0. In the Ivies they dont even give them a scholarship for their work. At a lot of the big schools you hear about how they force the kids into easy majors and just push them through to stay eligible but they never graduate. The problem is if you pay the kids I dont know how much, is it the same at every school, does it depend on if you are a starter or not, and how do you avoid schools like UK paying extra

 
penn62 
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04-09-11 10:27 PM - Post#103798    
    In response to cornellfan4

Why the usual assumption that the kids get screwed? The new coach whoever he may be could turn out to be a better leader than SJ. After all, SJ was not exactly loaded with head coaching experience.

 
gokinsmen 
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Coach Sydney Johnson
04-09-11 11:08 PM - Post#103800    
    In response to penn62

Well, dealing with a sudden transition is always tough -- even if the new guy turns out to be great. And there's the incoming recruits who signed up for Princeton with the understanding that SJ would be there.

 
cornellfan4 
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04-09-11 11:37 PM - Post#103804    
    In response to gokinsmen

gokinsmen pretty much said it

To your comment about finding a better leader, I think PU will have a tough time finding a better coach, maybe as good but Johnson did about as good as a job you could do in 4 years from where PU was when he started

 
EddieAlberto 
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04-10-11 12:05 PM - Post#103813    
    In response to penn62

My main point about the kids getting screwed is that they are the only parties without the ability to CONTROL any part of the situation.

There is nothing more exciting for a high school basketball player than to commit to a D1 university. Even in the Ivy League - I would say even more so in the Ivy League due the absence of scholarships - those kids committed to their schools for the love of the game. Then, before you barely have a chance to plan for your freshman year, the main reason that you committed to that school decides to leave. (The head coach is a huge part of the committment decision in 10 out of 10 cases). But, its now too late in the recruiting process to really look elsewhere, so now what? Again, its back to that lack of control issue which makes it so unfair for next year's freshmen class.

As for the returning players at Princeton, even if the next coach is Brian Earl or Tony Newsome or "a Princeton guy", its not SJ and SJ is the only guy who pulled the trigger and committed to recruit the guys that are there now. So, the next coach still requires essentially starting over, especially if they hire a guy like Earl who has never been a head coach before. So, next year's Princeton sophomores cannot be happy, yet do they really want to look somewhere else and sit out a yeat at this point?

Ask last year's Cornell seniors if things were a bit different playing for a guy like Donahue who recruited them and had been a head coach in the Ivy League for 10 years, as compared to playing for Courtney who had never been a head coach and had never even coached in the Ivy League. Not a criticism of Courtney, its just different and noone wants to do that going into their junior or senior years. Do you think Doug Davis is ticked off right now? I bet he is.

So, thats how the kids get screwed - the absence of meaningful choice and control.

 
umbrellaman 
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04-10-11 12:48 PM - Post#103815    
    In response to EddieAlberto

Of note, in the last 4 years - (prior to 2007-2010 seasons) there have been 183 coaching changes, representing 166 different colleges in Men's Division I. Note that there are 346 colleges in Division I, so there is about a 50% chance that a coach will leave a school during a player's four years.

 
Tiger69 
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04-10-11 01:03 PM - Post#103817    
    In response to EddieAlberto

Well, sadly, any time a coach decides to leave for another position the players, present and recruits, are likely to feel a little resentment. No way to avoid that. Of course, the compensation, hopefully, is that the choice of the school outweighs the choice of the coach. I don't imagine that any of Princeton's current players regret's his decision to come here even though his coach has decided to move on. It is the job of Johnson's successor to persuade people like Clay Wilson that he is making the right decision to stick with Princeton because a) the university is more than just a basketball team, and b) the team will continue to be successful under Johnson's successor.

 
puband09 
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04-11-11 10:01 PM - Post#103926    
    In response to Tiger69

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95lTJb2jkZg#t =2m11s

Where have I heard THAT line before? Johnson was the ultimate salesman at Princeton, but this "passionate" act isn't going to work much longer.

Not that it needs to with his coaching abilities.

 
T71 
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Reg: 11-23-04
04-12-11 10:06 PM - Post#104002    
    In response to puband09

Hey, how can anyone question Sydney's sincerity?

 
Tiger69 
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04-12-11 10:16 PM - Post#104004    
    In response to puband09

I noticed that he wasn't wearing his orange tie.

 
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