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pennhoops 
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03-15-11 11:46 AM - Post#101146    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

  • princeton72 Said:
The allure of Northwestern to Carmody is less clear



Henry Bienen.

 
sparman 
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03-15-11 01:48 PM - Post#101169    
    In response to Jeff2sf

  • Jeff2sf Said:
OF COURSE he takes a UVA job, OF COURSE he does.


Maybe, maybe not. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that it's not a slam dunk (heh).

Odds are high the tenure would be short. Within the ACC there is a definite pecking order, UVA isn't at the top, and the order has knocked off some pretty good coaches. ACC is unrelenting - when Gary Williams is critcized by UM fan base that wants him to step down even after winning an N/C, you have to wonder. Anyone other than the dsypeptic rodent and Roy is handicapped.

Personally I would love Charlottesville, but IMO it's a high risk proposition and if I were SJ, I would be watching BC closely.

 
Old Bear 
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03-15-11 01:59 PM - Post#101171    
    In response to sparman

Would SJ or Amaker consider the Oklahoma job? BTW, Craig Robinson loved being at Brown right up to the last minute, so did Miller.

 
puband09 
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03-15-11 02:02 PM - Post#101172    
    In response to Old Bear

Yeah. Miller loved Penn and then he was like he was like "Later suckas, I'm going to take a way better more awesome job somewhere else." Oh wait...

You can't use people who get driven out of town as proof that people don't stay places.

 
puband09 
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03-15-11 02:04 PM - Post#101174    
    In response to puband09

Oh. You meant Miller at Brown. Sorry. I read too quickly the first time through.

 
Brian Martin 
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03-15-11 03:44 PM - Post#101177    
    In response to puband09

I don't think Johnson would consider UVA because that would require going head to head against JT3 for the top DC area recruits.


 
puband09 
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03-15-11 03:47 PM - Post#101178    
    In response to Brian Martin

And Tech, and Richmond, and VCU, and George Mason, and George Washington, and ODU, and Hampton, and JMU, and William & Mary... all of which are better (some more solidly than other) than UVA in most years.

 
Silver Maple 
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03-15-11 03:50 PM - Post#101179    
    In response to Brian Martin

That seems like a pretty lame rationale to me. I just can't see Johnson turning down the job for that reason. I find the other 'no way, UVA' arguments advanced here to be far more compelling. If it really is a no-win job then there's no reason to take it. That said, if Johnson thinks he might be interested in one day having one of college basketball's tippy-top jobs, he's going to have to take a transitional position first. Perhaps UVA's not it, but I bet there are a good number of jobs out there that would fit the bill.

 
Penn94 
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03-15-11 03:53 PM - Post#101180    
    In response to Brian Martin

  • Brian Martin Said:
I don't think Johnson would consider UVA because that would require going head to head against JT3 for the top DC area recruits.




I know we're talking about hypotheticals here, but really? Assuming he thought UVa was a great job he'd pass on that because he wouldn't want to compete with JT3?

That would surprise and shock me and quite honestly, if he did thinks like that it does not speak well of Johnson's ambition, competitiveness, and desire to win. I've been very impressed with Johnson so far, I can't imagine any good coach would shy away from competing against a mentor/friend/member of the family, etc. You think Joe Jones was hesitant to go to Columbia because he would have to recruit against brother James?

 
Brian Martin 
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03-15-11 03:53 PM - Post#101181    
    In response to puband09

I am not saying he would be afraid of recruiting - I think he is great at it on a personal level - but he still has a close personal and professional relationship with JT III and as a Georgetown assistant he helped JTIII take control of the DC-Maryland-Virginia recruiting region.

At Princeton, Sydney can sort of piggy-back off JT III and recruit DC players below the high major level. Hummer is a special legacy case, but Ben Hazel is a Washington Catholic league guy.

 
Brian Martin 
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03-15-11 04:05 PM - Post#101182    
    In response to Brian Martin

And as I said farther up about Providence and GA Tech, UVA is a hard job to meet the expectations of alumni who remember the brief period when they were an elite program and think that is the way it should be every year.

Maybe it is because I am in DC, but I think Georgetown, Maryland, UVA, and VA Tech are up or down primarily according to how they rank in local recruiting.

They still lose some elite DC players, Durant, Gay, Beasley to national programs, and the DC area schools are not constently elite national programs, so even with a Greg Monroe and a few other top national recruits, the depth of a good Georgetown or Maryland or Virginia team will come from the local area.

 
Tiger69 
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03-15-11 09:11 PM - Post#101202    
    In response to Old Bear

Nobody, NOBODY, in his right mind would go to Oklahoma for anything! (and I have family there)

 
Dial Lodge 
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03-16-11 09:38 AM - Post#101250    
    In response to Tiger69

Gee, this ridiculous thread started when someone from Bradley mentioned that he is the top candidate for the coveted Bradley job. Now it appears that Johnson is a certainty to take a job at Virginia?

I wonder if SJ knows he's a serious candidate for all these positions?

I wonder if Tommy Amaker knows he's a candidate for Bradley as well?

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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03-16-11 09:43 AM - Post#101251    
    In response to Dial Lodge

I am actually enjoying this thread quite a bit. All of the posts have enhanced my limited knowledge of the coaching scene, even though the information is conjectural at best. It helps ease the gnawing pain created by the abrupt departures of Carmody and JTIII.

Edited by princeton72 on 03-16-11 09:43 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Silver Maple 
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03-16-11 10:26 AM - Post#101266    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

It shouldn't ease your gnawing pain. Any successful mid-major coach, by definition, is going to be an attractive target for other programs. Nothing's going to change that. The key, if you're a successful mid-major program, is to make your HC job as attractive as possible in order to draw the best and brightest small college coaches or D1 assistants once your current coach departs for a bigger job.

 
Old Bear 
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03-16-11 10:46 AM - Post#101280    
    In response to Silver Maple

NC State?

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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03-16-11 11:02 AM - Post#101284    
    In response to Old Bear

Wow....that is a really good opening. But who would work for Deborah Yow?

 
BradleyBrave 
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03-19-11 04:05 PM - Post#101937    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

If Amaker were offered the Bradley job, I feel very confident he'd take it. Word out of Bradley is that he is unlikely to be considered due to some of the ethical things that have popped up (whether they are true or not).

 
Howard Gensler 
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03-19-11 06:30 PM - Post#101946    
    In response to BradleyBrave

No way Amaker would take the Bradley job. Don't know whether you're trolling or deluded.


 
besnoah 
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03-19-11 06:48 PM - Post#101948    
    In response to Howard Gensler

Don't you know that coaches are falling all over themselves to take a job in a 3rd division conference for a team that's been to the tournament twice in the last 23 years?

 
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