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Username Post: Coach Sydney Johnson        (Topic#11781)
Mike Porter 
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04-06-11 01:05 PM - Post#103482    
    In response to Brian Martin

Yes. It means you run the risk of picking a crappy coach (e.g. Joe Scott) and instead of going to the tournament every couple of years, you have to bring in a Princeton hero (e.g. Sydney Johnson) and wait 7 years. Are you sure there are enough heroes in the pipeline to rebuild every 4 years? If I was a Princeton fan I wouldn't be happy with that...

 
Red n Blue 
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Red n Blue
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04-06-11 01:09 PM - Post#103483    
    In response to Mike Porter

I am not a Princeton fan and I am not happy with this. Losing the coach of the league champion to Fairfield is a big hit to the league's prestige.

 
Kit 
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04-06-11 01:32 PM - Post#103485    
    In response to Brian Martin

I cannot accept Princeton's role as the hotbed of Division I coaches because it means not winning a substantial portion of time. I guess I was accostumed to having Pete Carril and the helm and every season was a winning one. With this coaching carousel in place, the Princeton dynasty appears finished.

 
Brian Martin 
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04-06-11 01:33 PM - Post#103486    
    In response to Mike Porter

But I acknowledge that Princeton will not pay enough or provide the other support necessary to keep a successful coach. I admit that I am surprised that Fairfield was enough to lure Johnson, but when I look at the numbers and the other factors at Princeton, it is a minor league franchise that will not be able to hold a coach with major league ambitions.



 
Brian Martin 
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04-06-11 01:50 PM - Post#103487    
    In response to Brian Martin

Is Sydney Johnson represented by Rick Giles '83 of the Gazelle Group?

Giles is/was the agent for Craig Robinson and Chris Mooney.

 
10Q 
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04-06-11 01:50 PM - Post#103488    
    In response to Brian Martin

Or to hire a coach who is intensely loyal to the school (at least until a really good offer comes along).

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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04-06-11 01:59 PM - Post#103489    
    In response to 10Q

Or who thinks he's worth more than $35,600.

http://www.princeton.edu/hr/progserv/compensat ion/...

 
Red n Blue 
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Red n Blue
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04-06-11 02:35 PM - Post#103490    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

If $35,600 is the actual figure that is an absolute disgrace.

 
Howard Gensler 
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04-06-11 02:38 PM - Post#103491    
    In response to Red n Blue

That's the minimum.

And it's probably for the tetherball team.

But still, to have a number that low on an official printed document is embarrassing.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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04-06-11 02:40 PM - Post#103492    
    In response to Brian Martin

  • Brian Martin Said:
when I look at the numbers and the other factors at Princeton, it is a minor league franchise that will not be able to hold a coach with major league ambitions.





This is a bitter pill to swallow for those of us who were around during the "glory days", but I suspect what you are saying is true.


 
Howard Gensler 
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04-06-11 03:03 PM - Post#103494    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Except this is not a case of small-market Milwaukee not having the resources to compete with the Yankees or Red Sox. It's the Yankees or Red Sox choosing not to compete with small-market Milwaukee.

It's not like the League has chosen to drop the AI and Princeton is sticking to it or that Harvard and Yale have chosen to change the financial aid rules in a way that Princeton (unlike some of the others) can't afford. Princeton helps set the rules.

The transfer policy is just silly and Princeton can change that whenever it wants (and has). My point is that if it's true Princeton is not giving its basketball coach the support he needs, it's a terrible decision because doing so not only doesn't cheapen the brand it enhances the brand.

Even last night during the NCAA women's basketball final, the announcers repeatedly described Notre Dame as running the Princeton offense or the Princeton system. Like it or not, on a national level it's probably one of the the top two or three things most associated with Princeton.

 
T71 
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04-06-11 03:11 PM - Post#103497    
    In response to Silver Maple

Arrogance.

 
Albert08 
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04-06-11 03:12 PM - Post#103498    
    In response to Howard Gensler

"My point is that if it's true Princeton is not giving its basketball coach the support he needs, it's a terrible decision because doing so not only doesn't cheapen the brand it enhances the brand."

Could you rephrase this, please? Too many negatives (or too few?)



 
Quaker11 
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04-06-11 03:41 PM - Post#103502    
    In response to Albert08

Let me try:

If it's true Princeton is not providing the institutional support to stay competitive in the Ivies, they're making a huge mistake. They may be concerned that such "institutional support" as lowering AI or increasing FinAid cheapens the school and the program's brand/reputation; but in reality, they're dead wrong, and doing those things actually enhances the reputation/brand of the school.

 
Silver Maple 
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04-06-11 03:43 PM - Post#103503    
    In response to Howard Gensler

  • Howard Gensler Said:
That's the minimum.

And it's probably for the tetherball team.

But still, to have a number that low on an official printed document is embarrassing.



Even more remarkable when you consider how dominant Princeton has been in tetherball over the years.

 
Kit 
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04-06-11 03:53 PM - Post#103506    
    In response to Silver Maple

We're the 2011 Ivy League tetherball champions!

 
Howard Gensler 
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04-06-11 03:57 PM - Post#103508    
    In response to Kit

Anything to give you a leg up for the Director's Cup, whatever the heck that is.


 
1LotteryPick1969 
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1LotteryPick1969
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04-06-11 04:01 PM - Post#103509    
    In response to Kit

Don't a lot of teams around the country use the Princeton Tetherball offense?

 
Silver Maple 
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04-06-11 04:36 PM - Post#103511    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

  • princeton72 Said:
Don't a lot of teams around the country use the Princeton Tetherball offense?



And that would be what, exactly? Standing stock still, ball in your hand, listening to the crickets chirp, avoiding eye contact with your opponent, waiting for him to scratch his nose before you serve?

 
besnoah 
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Coach Sydney Johnson
04-06-11 06:43 PM - Post#103519    
    In response to Silver Maple

Isn't the Princeton Tetherball offense mostly wrapped up in post play?

Edited by besnoah on 04-06-11 06:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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