Kit
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03-29-11 02:31 PM - Post#102704
...Princeton defeated Kentucky and advanced to the Final Four.
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Tiger86
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Reg: 02-10-11
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03-29-11 04:36 PM - Post#102713
In response to Kit
...which makes three.
1965
1976, when Peter Molloy knocked down the two free throws with 1 second left to defeat Rutgers on the way to the Final Four.
2011
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
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Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
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03-29-11 06:03 PM - Post#102719
In response to Tiger86
Well, all you'll need is a convenient transporter accident and you'll be in basketball heaven. Of course the evil Kirk will be trying to eviscerate you with that cool looking dagger...
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Tiger86
Sophomore
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Reg: 02-10-11
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03-29-11 06:11 PM - Post#102721
In response to Silver Maple
i'll take the odds on that happening over the quakers winning the ivy title next year
(sorry, couldn't resist)
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gokinsmen
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Somewhere in a parallel universe...
03-29-11 07:14 PM - Post#102724
In response to Tiger86
Since we lost, I feel silly doing any half-gloating, but there was some talk in some quarters about how this Kentucky team was "rattled" against us lucky tricksters. And that they're nowhere near as good as last year's NBA crop. Well, maybe not as individuals, but they sure play some good team b-ball.
Grinded out close wins and knocked off the #1 overall seed. Thanks, Selection Committee. Nice "#4" you gave us!
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Kit
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
04-02-11 02:32 PM - Post#102970
In response to Kit
...Kareem Maddox and Dan Mavraides are given a fifth and a sixth year of eligibility.
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gokinsmen
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Somewhere in a parallel universe...
04-18-11 08:00 PM - Post#104363
In response to Kit
Somewhere in a nearby parallel universe, Chris Young chooses hoops over baseball. Carmody stays, Gloger stays, Princeton returns to national ranked status and becomes a mid-major power for years to come.
And rather than being an oft-injured major league pitcher, he's a solid backup C/PF for, say, Sacramento. And we get to watch the pride of Harvard try to lay one up over the pride of Princeton when the Warriors play the Kings.
Sigh.
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umbrellaman
Masters Student
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
04-18-11 08:18 PM - Post#104364
In response to gokinsmen
I actually think that remembering that time is useful. Those were dark times. Carmody left in September if you recall. Gloger had not left yet, and Carmody's departure was described as another blow to an "already wounded program" with the loss of Young, Ray Robins and Joe Scott.
One can't say that Young or Carmody didn't make the right move though. Young has made 15.1 million as a major leaguer; If Sydney Johnson is coaching Syracuse or UConn in ten years, we'll say he did too.
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Brian Martin
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04-18-11 08:49 PM - Post#104367
In response to umbrellaman
That 2000 team had underachieved and did not show up for the NIT game at Penn State. It was not hard for any of them to decide to leave. They seemed miserable.
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Howard Gensler
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04-18-11 09:46 PM - Post#104369
In response to Brian Martin
And Chris Young was a better baseball player than he was a basketball player. He made the right decision.
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gokinsmen
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Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-10-11 07:55 PM - Post#105146
In response to Howard Gensler
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/sto ry?...
Not so sure about that now...
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Chuck
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-10-11 08:17 PM - Post#105147
In response to gokinsmen
Young has made more than $16M as a baseball player, I doubt that playing basketball in whatever European country would have come close to matching that...
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Redfish
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Loc: under a bridge in Phoenix...
Reg: 11-26-04
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-10-11 09:32 PM - Post#105148
In response to Chuck
yeah, but he has to play for the (Madoff) Mets 
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gokinsmen
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-10-11 11:19 PM - Post#105152
In response to Chuck
Young has made more than $16M as a baseball player, I doubt that playing basketball in whatever European country would have come close to matching that...
But you forget the mental/emotional aspect. He never got to show what he could do as a pitcher (never pitched over 200 innings) and his career may be over at 31. That's gotta be painful on the psyche. And even if he couldn't stick in the NBA, Young still could have made a tidy sum in basketball (isn't Jaaber making over 500K now?). Probably not 16M, but a nice steady paycheck over the long haul.
Anyway, ultimately, the "right choice" is whatever sport Young loved more. One footnote: I did find it very strange that despite his length, Young didn't throw a lot harder in college. And with this severe, recurring shoulder injury, one might wonder if that should have been a red flag.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-10-11 11:23 PM - Post#105153
In response to gokinsmen
Random reading RE: "How did Princeton even get a big man like Chris?" Found this linked on Wikipedia:
http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/InfoWeb? p...
Chris Young, a two-sport standout at Highland Park, confirmed Tuesday that he has committed to play basketball and baseball at Princeton next year.
The 6-10 Young selected the Tigers over Boston College, Oklahoma, Penn, Texas, Vanderbilt, and Yale. He said his decision was based on Princeton's rising national profile in basketball and the opportunity to work with baseball coach Scott Bradley, who caught Seattle Mariners' 6-10 pitcher Randy Johnson during his major league baseball career.
"I just liked the whole situation," said Young, who will not receive any athletic or academic scholarships from Princeton. "The fact that they finished eighth in basketball last year is attractive, and Coach Bradley is young and enthusiastic.
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besnoah
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-11-11 11:02 AM - Post#105160
In response to gokinsmen
I mean, I guess Chris Young could have a deep, searing painful sense that he never really got to show his stuff but that would be somewhat irrational based on what was a pretty good career.
He made 30 starts 3 years in a row, he made an All Star team and he started and won a playoff game.
For the more sabermetrically inclined, he accumulated nearly 10 WAR (Fangraphs) or nearly 12 WAR (B-Ref), putting him somewhere between Steve Avery and Rod Beck, in terms of career accomplishments, and 71st out of every active pitcher. And, according to Fangraphs's pitch values had the second best fastball in baseball in both 2006 and 2007.
I guess he could've had a better basketball career in a parallel universe, but it really doesn't seem likely.
Edited by besnoah on 05-11-11 11:04 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-11-11 11:20 AM - Post#105161
In response to besnoah
He's had a pretty good career, made a lot of money and in general, validated the decisions he made.
It just was another bad signing for the Mets because they knew he had a torn shoulder that he rehabbed rather than repaired. But if someone is going to pay me $1.1. million for a chance my shoulder will hold out, I will take it. From the start, though, his velocity was way down--this guy really knows how to pitch because he consistently threw 84-85 mph high fastballs and got people out. Maybe he can get the surgery now and make it back...but I doubt it.
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besnoah
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05-11-11 11:23 AM - Post#105162
In response to palestra38
How bad of a signing could have have been?
He pitched in 100% of the Mets wins against the Phillies.
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Brian Martin
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05-11-11 03:36 PM - Post#105168
In response to besnoah
Don't know if you saw this WSJ article from 4/30. Explains how he could be effective with an 85 mph fastball.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052 7487035...
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gokinsmen
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Re: Somewhere in a parallel universe...
05-11-11 05:56 PM - Post#105174
In response to besnoah
Still, when you're 6-10 & 260, you shouldn't even break a sweat cracking 90. I'm surprised scouts weren't more alarmed by that.
Anyhow, from a layman's point-of-view, there are no regrets. From an athlete's POV, however, I still contend it's more frustrating than it seems. Unless you're Sandy Koufax, I think most pro athletes would prefer a long solid career over a short flashy one.
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