Bison137
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09-08-11 09:55 AM - Post#107949
School was cancelled today, as the Susquehanna is already 5 feet over flood stage and expected to crest at 11.5 feet above flood stage late tonight. Not surprisingly, Buffalo Creek has long since flooded several blocks along 6th and 7th Street - with some of the student housing on 6th Street seeing significant flood conditions. People are being evacuated from a significant area of downtown.
Not as bad as Agnes in 1972 - but probably the worst since then.
Any reporte from our locals?
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Paulie777
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09-08-11 10:20 AM - Post#107950
In response to Bison137
Bison137, you pretty much said it all in your concise paragraph. Basically it has been raining since Sunday night and a heavy rain at that. The ground was already overwhelmed by the Irene storm but this rain is from Katia. This is the worst flooding I have ever seen here by far, but it doesn't match my neighbors description of the Agnes 72 flooding that 137 mentioned.
Lewisburg schools were let out early yesterday and closed today and probably will be closed tomorrow.
Residents are being evacuated from the downtown area. At least one basement has collapsed that I know firsthand. Many towns along the Susquehanna are being evacuated also.The rain stopped this morning and I really hope the worst is over. Even the buildings that are not affected by the flooding look drenched.
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09-08-11 10:26 AM - Post#107952
In response to Bison137
Appears the entire region is bracing for Agnes-like situations. All schools are closed and may be through possibly Monday, although that wasn't yet announced. Danville flood wall is in place but additional sand-bagging is taking place already. Bloomsburg University is closed until Tuesday at the earliest (due to many closed roads and more importantly, extremely limited water supply). I-80 is closed from Danville to Lightstreet. River crests continue to rise by the hour in most locations. Rain continues to fall with very few breaks.
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09-08-11 10:38 AM - Post#107954
In response to MrPhillie
I was there during the flooding in 1996, which was pretty bad - high enough to flood 6th Street up to car windows. I'd be curious to see pictures of the current situation.
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Bison137
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09-08-11 10:45 AM - Post#107955
In response to MrPhillie
Just looked at the weather map. Looks like Lewisburg and the West Branch just barely dodged a large monsoon-like front that is traveling south to north over the Bloomsburg area. Everything to the immediate west didnt' get hit badly so hopefully Buffalo Creek will start to subside. Unfortunately it looks like there will be more rain - hopefully light - later today.
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Bison137
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09-08-11 10:47 AM - Post#107956
In response to Bison137
Sam Alcorn has some pictures of Market Street underwater on his Twitter page:
http://twitpic.com/photos/sralcorn
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09-08-11 11:08 AM - Post#107957
In response to Bison137
Wow. I was wondering about the Susquehanna last night when I saw the path of the storms yesterday.
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baudolino
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09-08-11 12:11 PM - Post#107960
In response to Shot Clock
Route 15 is closed north of Lewisburg. The bridge that connects Shamokin Dam with Northumberland (Rt. 11) is closed as well. Over 1100 students are now housed temporarily in the Fieldhouse, due to concerns about electric panels in the residence halls.
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09-08-11 12:14 PM - Post#107961
In response to baudolino
Also, yesterday, one of the more established trees that was just inside the cemetery by 7th St. collapsed...it's a sight to see.
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Bison89
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09-08-11 12:22 PM - Post#107964
In response to baudolino
Can anybody give me a flooding update for St. George St. near the SAE House?
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09-08-11 12:27 PM - Post#107965
In response to Bison89
Can anybody give me a flooding update for St. George St. near the SAE House?
http://twitpic.com/6hrog9
http://t.co/0EixpwX
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09-08-11 12:41 PM - Post#107968
In response to baudolino
---The basketball team is staying at coach Paulsons!
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09-08-11 01:51 PM - Post#107970
In response to Bison89
Can anybody give me a flooding update for St. George St. near the SAE House?
Alcorn posted another pic
http://twitpic.com/6hvpzz
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Paulie777
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09-08-11 02:26 PM - Post#107971
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Here is a good link to follow the river level.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=...
The river is expected to crest at 27.6 feet, well below the 34.23 feet that was Agnes in 1972.
To compare it to Mattie g's 1996 flood, the river crested then to 25.9 feet, so this is a similar height as the present situation.
Edited by Paulie777 on 09-08-11 02:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bison137
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09-08-11 04:41 PM - Post#107974
In response to Bison89
Can anybody give me a flooding update for St. George St. near the SAE House?
I hear that one person didn't listen to BU's recommendation to move all cars that were parked within a block of Buffalo Creek and left his/her SUV parked near SAE. The water apparently crested near the roof of the car.
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Bison137
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09-08-11 04:44 PM - Post#107975
In response to baudolino
Route 15 is closed north of Lewisburg. The bridge that connects Shamokin Dam with Northumberland (Rt. 11) is closed as well. Over 1100 students are now housed temporarily in the Fieldhouse, due to concerns about electric panels in the residence halls.
Have all of those people definitely been moved? I heard that those living in Larison/Harris/etc were told to be ready to evacuate because water might reach the basement areas and force them to shut off electricity - rendering the main doors inoperative. However my source thought that at this point those dorms are still open and the creek may have crested.
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BUFan
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09-08-11 04:52 PM - Post#107977
In response to Bison137
I recall a nice flood one September while I was still there. I think it was 2005. I recall canoes going down 6th Street.
How does it compare to that?
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baudolino
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09-08-11 05:10 PM - Post#107978
In response to Bison137
I hear that one person didn't listen to BU's recommendation to move all cars that were parked within a block of Buffalo Creek and left his/her SUV parked near SAE. The water apparently crested near the roof of the car.
I recall canoes going down 6th Street.
How does it compare to that?
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Bison137
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09-08-11 05:15 PM - Post#107979
In response to BUFan
The site linked by Paulie above has a link to historical flood crests. I've listed the top 15. I'd guess the one you're talking about was the one in September 2004. It looks like this one will be about the same - at least for the Susquehanna - with revised estimates showing the river cresting at about 26', which thankfully is much lower than was projected this morning. According to this site, the part of downtown Lewisburg by the river begins to flood at about 25'. If that is the case, flooding from the river will probably be minor compared to the flooding already seen by 6th Street.
(1) 34.23 ft on 06/24/1972
(2) 32.10 ft on 03/19/1936
(3) 29.80 ft on 06/01/1889
(4) 28.50 ft on 05/21/1894
(5) 28.43 ft on 05/29/1946
(6) 27.62 ft on 09/27/1975
(7) 26.16 ft on 03/11/1964
(8) 26.05 ft on 11/26/1950
(9) 26.01 ft on 09/19/2004
(10) 25.94 ft on 01/20/1996
(11) 24.26 ft on 02/15/1984
(12) 23.44 ft on 03/06/1979
(13) 21.30 ft on 04/02/1993
(14) 21.17 ft on 02/27/1961
(15) 21.00 ft on 04/01/1960
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bison63
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09-08-11 06:14 PM - Post#107982
In response to Bison137
Wow, those pictures are something. Hopefully the worst is over. Just for historical accuracy, this flooding is caused by rains related to former hurricane Lee. Katia is out in the Atlantic and will not make landfall anywhere in the US, but may be responsible for holding the rains associated with Lee in central PA, and NY for longer than might have been the case had Katia not been there retarding the north/eastward progression of Lee.
Thought and prayers are with all of those effected by this catastrophe.
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09-08-11 08:53 PM - Post#107985
In response to bison63
I just heard from a fellow SAE that the house records, photos, etc. seem to have been put in storage a few months ago due to a multi-year suspension. At least one good thing came from the suspension.
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nitlion
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09-09-11 05:26 AM - Post#107989
In response to Bison89
I haven't been on the site for several days, dealing with my own flood problems. Just as a point of information, the creek running through Lewisburg along 6th St. is the Bull Run. Hence the Bull Run Tavern which has changed names several times, located on the corner of South 6th and Mkt Streets. Buffalo Creek enters the Susquehanna River behind the Street of Shops formerly the Woolen Mill and later Pa. House, on Water St.. St. Anthony's St. past the softball fields crosses Buffalo Creek and up along the river to Rt. 15, past River Woods. I only bring this up for people maybe that have visited Lewisburg at sometime and to get all your visual bearings correct. That said, I hope and pray that everyone comes through this with little or no problems.
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nitlion
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09-09-11 05:37 AM - Post#107990
In response to nitlion
Correcting myself, it was Bull Run Inn not tavern, later Rusty's was added on the 6th Street side and now Puersil's Irish Pub. The original Bull Run Inn was accross the street with Bull Run running under the building. It was Dunkle's Pontiac and then a bowling alley and then the bar, and then sadly burned to the ground., only to rise from the ashes where it was rebuilt on the present site.
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bison63
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09-09-11 07:11 AM - Post#107991
In response to nitlion
Hope your flood problems are manageable NIT. Actually, when I was at BU, Dunkles (aka Bull Run Inn) was a bar and a bowling alley. The bar fronted on Market Street And was, I presume what had been the showroom in the auto dealer days. Ron Snyder was the bartender in those days and Jack Dunkle was usually on the premises as well. Bottles of beer were .25 and Rolling Rock ponies were .15. Even in those days those prices were incredibly low when compared to suburban NYC where I was from.
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Bison54
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09-09-11 07:32 AM - Post#107993
In response to bison63
And I remember during my frosh year when Phys Ed was mandatory and we had a "unit" on bowling which was held at Dunkle's. Unfortunately, the bar was not open as it was an 8 AM class.
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bison63
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09-09-11 10:54 AM - Post#107996
In response to Bison54
Yes, I remember bowling for credit as well. But my real expertise as a "bowler" manifested itself in the bar on the bowling machine (with the silver puck). You could walk into Dunks on a Friday night with a quarter in your pocket, start a run on that machine and pay for your dinner and get well lubricated to boot. BTW, in those days gas was like a quarter a gallon and my car's gas needle varied between empty and a dollar's worth of gas all semester long. You could go a long way on a quarter in L-burg in the early '60s.
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09-10-11 03:21 AM - Post#108020
In response to bison63
My prayers that all remain safe. We are dealing with grass fires out her in CA.
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BuffaloBison
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09-10-11 08:17 AM - Post#108021
In response to lostpass
It looks like things are getting better, and it's nice to see that the students are pitching in. From the Daily Item:
Brady Fisher, owner of The Towne Tavern, on Sixth and Market Street, was effusive in his praise of how the community helped him on Thursday.
“I don’t know their names,” he said Friday, “Bucknell students, the high school booster club, hundreds of people helped me evacuate and remove almost everything from the Tavern in 25 minutes. A neighbor timed it. Every piece of furniture, everything on the wall was taken out and put in a truck, and driven to safety.”
Friday, at 9 a.m., the entire Lewisburg booster club came back and set us back up. “It was incredible,” Fisher said. “I don’t even know how you thank those kind of people. It was just hundreds of people. And the Bucknell people, they were out running on the street and they just were helping people. You didn’t even have to ask them. The entire men’s Bucknell lacrosse team, all 25 of them, came and helped me on Friday.”
(But if I were a cynic, which of course I'm not, I'd wonder if there was any personal motive for helping out a tavern.)
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09-10-11 11:11 AM - Post#108022
In response to BuffaloBison
Can you say "Drinks are on the house"?
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09-10-11 04:45 PM - Post#108023
In response to Bison89
One of my volleyball parents surprised me with a "didn't you go to Bucknell" comment followed by did you hear that they are under water. Apprarently her son plays tennis for Mount St. Mary's and our game with them was cancelled.
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09-12-11 06:25 PM - Post#108060
In response to atlantabison
According to the Daily Item, three homes on Sixth Street were condemned. Can any of the local crowd say which ones they were? I'm curious if my senior-year apartment building is a goner.
Mine was the tannish one to the immediate left of the red one in this shot. Looking pretty good here, so I'm guessing it survived.
http://twitpic.com/6hrpal
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Bison137
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09-13-11 04:37 PM - Post#108093
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
The BU site now has a good slideshow of the flooding in Lewisburg and around the BU campus:
http://www.bucknell.edu/x71548.xml
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Bison137
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Re: Flooding in Lewisburg
09-13-11 07:12 PM - Post#108101
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
According to the Daily Item, three homes on Sixth Street were condemned. Can any of the local crowd say which ones they were? I'm curious if my senior-year apartment building is a goner.
Mine was the tannish one to the immediate left of the red one in this shot. Looking pretty good here, so I'm guessing it survived.
http://twitpic.com/6hrpal
Two of the problem houses reportedly are:
1. Yellow house on the creek side of 6th St between St. Louis and St. Catherine - part of foundation crumbled.
2. House on St. Louis just west from 6th St - had a major rupture of fuel oil tank in basement. (Or possibly gas line)
Also one of the houses on the left side of 6th St (as you are walking towards Market St), just over a block from St. George, had already been condemned and was not rented this year. Supposedly being fixed up.
Note: I don't guarantee any of the above is correct.
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05-11-12 04:30 PM - Post#129179
In response to Bison137
Lewisburg to buy flood-prone homes and create a "greenway corridor" linking Lewisburg and Bucknell.
http://wkok.info/news/news-news/flood -prone-proper...
http://wnep.com/2012/05/09/from-flood s-to-greenway...
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Bison137
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05-11-12 04:38 PM - Post#129180
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
You just beat me to posting this. Should be a good thing - eliminating all of the oft-flooded houses on the creek side of 6th Street that are on the verge of falling down, while at the same time creating the Greeenway. With the bookstore and so many other BU buildings now downtown, it will be nice to have a nice corridor. Most of the expense is being borne by FEMA, not Lewisburg or Bucknell.
Nice picture of what it may look like in the first link.
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05-11-12 04:38 PM - Post#129181
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
There is also a very interesting proposal about beautifying Rt. 15. Mostly about making it more pedestrian friendly, as well as improving the driving conditions on certain portions. Bucknell will also start working on making the Rt. 15 campus entrance a little bit more visible.
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Hoop Time
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05-13-12 11:32 AM - Post#129198
In response to baudolino
Understand this has nothing to do with "creating a corridor." It is all about mitigating future flood damage and reducing the future costs of flood insurance and disaster relief. Also, this "corridor" cannot contain any sort of structures or impervious surfaces (aside from FEMA approved floodproof restroom facilities), not even a sidewalk. Any walkways will have to be gravel or woodchips (of those open pavers). And those restrictions will be in covenants added to the deeds that restrict any development forever.
It will be very tough to make it look like that drawing on the WKOK Website. The FEMA restrictions in the hazardous mitigation program are very strict.
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05-13-12 12:39 PM - Post#129202
In response to Bison137
Most of the expense is being borne by FEMA, not Lewisburg or Bucknell.
So, in other words, most of the expense is being borne by federal taxpayers.
Special thanks to all those taxpayers outside Pennsylvania...for their help in buying buildings in Pennsylvania, paying Pennsylvanians to destroy them and hiring more Pennsylvanians to create a greenway those non-Pennsylvanians will likely never see.
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Re: Flooding in Lewisburg
05-13-12 08:14 PM - Post#129213
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Most of the expense is being borne by FEMA, not Lewisburg or Bucknell.
So, in other words, most of the expense is being borne by federal taxpayers.
Special thanks to all those taxpayers outside Pennsylvania...for their help in buying buildings in Pennsylvania, paying Pennsylvanians to destroy them and hiring more Pennsylvanians to create a greenway those non-Pennsylvanians will likely never see.
Your welcome, its only money. 
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Paulie777
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05-13-12 09:20 PM - Post#129217
In response to atlantabison
FEMA already paid out, the town pays out a minimum balance to acquire, then works with Bucknell to renovate. Its a win-win-win situation.
The corridor is going to look really nice and as said, will be a nice addition for both the town and school. A lot of pieces are in place to make this town-gown situation really sharp. We still need more though from both ends to make this top-notch. The Bookstore is in place, the campus theatre is in place with a Bucknell welcome center next to it to boot. Now with this corridor we need more. I have always liked the wine and cheese shop at William and Mary and that corner there would be my ideal situation here. I hear there is a specialty sushi shop opening up on Market St. called SUSHI. We need more stuff like that. The Thai place Siam cafe on Market is also going in the right direction but I was not impressed went I went there and I won't go there again. There need to be ore or two more pieces of the puzzle to make this really nice, I don't know what they are.
I am not impressed with the new post office Lewisburg has in place of the building Bucknell took over. It is an eyesore that is basically four pieces of aluminum put up and no windows. Not much was invested in this building, stuff like this and the forever stamp show the general direction the US Postal service is going.
One more thing. Now with this new corridor coming in now is the time to take down the large wooden fence that lines the railroad track from the facility building to the presidents house, a full quarter mile. Take out the railroad track, extend the rails to trails path and you connect the town and school perfectly and beautifully.
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Bison137
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Re: Flooding in Lewisburg
05-13-12 10:11 PM - Post#129219
In response to atlantabison
Most of the expense is being borne by FEMA, not Lewisburg or Bucknell.
So, in other words, most of the expense is being borne by federal taxpayers.
Special thanks to all those taxpayers outside Pennsylvania...for their help in buying buildings in Pennsylvania, paying Pennsylvanians to destroy them and hiring more Pennsylvanians to create a greenway those non-Pennsylvanians will likely never see.
Your welcome, its only money.
Virtually all of the top states in terms of receiving FEMA money over the past few decades are in the South/Southeast: Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma.
You just need to expand Georgia's coastal border - which shields the state from direct hurricane hits - and you can get a lot more FEMA dollars. Of course the tradeoff would be a lot more catastrophic losses to a lot more people.
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nitlion
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Re: Flooding in Lewisburg
05-14-12 08:03 AM - Post#129220
In response to Paulie777
The railline is owned bt one family and the track runs from White Deer all the way to Winfield. I seriously doubt that they would take out a section in Lewisburg. The track is still in use.
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Re: Flooding in Lewisburg
05-14-12 12:07 PM - Post#129229
In response to Bison137
Virtually all of the top states in terms of receiving FEMA money over the past few decades are in the South/Southeast: Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma.
True. Whether we're talking about a creekside in Lewisburg or a beachfront in Boca, FEMA is an entity that each year takes billions of dollars from those who choose not to live in disaster-prone areas and transfers it to those who do.
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bison63
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05-14-12 02:28 PM - Post#129237
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
How many days til the season starts????
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