bisonmania
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04-19-12 06:12 PM - Post#128526
Per Alex Kline.I guess not to surprising considering record.
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ericatbucknell
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04-19-12 09:45 PM - Post#128530
In response to bisonmania
Hooptime's having an HC-level conniption over this.
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Doktore K
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04-19-12 10:30 PM - Post#128532
In response to ericatbucknell
Conniption over what? I never met Don or followed SFU that closely but his 4 year record in Loretto was 32-86. Hard to stay anywhere with a winning % of that nature.
The new head coach by the way is the longtime lead assistant there at SFU and the son of the AD!
Go to the SFU Athletics website for full details....
(if you're tired of watching American Idol or other TV)
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Bison137
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04-20-12 02:00 AM - Post#128537
In response to Doktore K
Yes, definitely no surprise but unfortunately St. Francis is close to an impossible job. Friday unfortunately lost three top players through injury, transfer, and disciplinary reasons - which killed any chance they had of having a good season.
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Bison54
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04-20-12 06:40 AM - Post#128538
In response to Bison137
Yes, definitely no surprise but unfortunately St. Francis is close to an impossible job. Friday unfortunately lost three top players through injury, transfer, and disciplinary reasons - which killed any chance they had of having a good season.
I assume you mean 2011-1, and not looking forward to next year.
Having your assistant's Dad as AD might be worse than having Willard as a consultant
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DoCtoR62
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04-20-12 09:18 AM - Post#128545
In response to Bison137
Don took the high road in the initial article about is firing earlier in the week. When asked to comment about his replacement, he would not, which is all you need to know.
Yes, the record gives less pause about the firing; however, the timing and replacement makes the whole thing stink, in my opinion.
Great quote from the new coach at the end of today's article.
"As a player, I believed it. It didn't happen," he said. "As an assistant, I believed it. It didn't happen. As the head coach, that's going to be my vision."
Gives you great reason to be optimistic, doesn't it?
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atlantabison
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04-20-12 11:17 AM - Post#128551
In response to DoCtoR62
So the fan base (what there is) is asked to get behind the slogan "maybe it won't happen this time either."
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BuffaloBison
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04-20-12 04:46 PM - Post#128557
In response to Doktore K
Conniption over what? I never met Don or followed SFU that closely but his 4 year record in Loretto was 32-86. Hard to stay anywhere with a winning % of that nature.
Hooptime has been close to Friday, judging from the coverage he's given him, but I think HT's current conniption has as much to do with the optics. It's not just that Friday's successor is the AD's (Bob's) son (Rob). There was no search process, and the fact that Rob was named right after Friday resigned certainly makes it look like part of the reason Friday was pushed out was to make way for Kimmel Jr.
And may I mention that the Assistant AD for Student-Athlete Academic Services is one John Kimmel? Any bets as to whether a search committee picked him?
If anyone here recalls the St. Bonaventure scandal that broke in 2003 (res certainly does), the president's son was an assistant basketball coach and had his hands in the mess. I'm not suggesting anything that extreme here, but it illustrates that among the problems with nepotism, beyond not getting the best available person, is the lack of accountability it leads to.
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Paulie777
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04-20-12 09:55 PM - Post#128562
In response to BuffaloBison
According to the Ethical Standard handbook for the fine Franciscan University, in the conflict of interest section of the work environment, section C it says: Special consideration will not be given to relatives of current employees. Employment depends exclusively on the applicants qualifications and suitability for the position.
So one of these two scenarios occurred. (Pick one)
(A). New Coach Kimmel jr. as well as assistant AD John Kimmel are not only the best qualified applicants and were hired on their stellar qualifications alone without regard to family connections. It is mere chance that these two have a close family member in the St. Francis AD.
(B). There is no God, and mother Mary never had a virgin birth. The Catholic Church and Catholic Schools are just as unethical as regular universities and hire close relatives as needed and desired.
pick one.
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Paulie777
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Don Friday fired at St Francis
04-20-12 11:05 PM - Post#128564
In response to Paulie777
The end of all organized religion as we know it can be pinpointed to a near exact date. It was around the summer of 1977, when someone decided to put an asterisk after the word "free". This ambiguity ushered in the new way, the ambiguous way of reality as we now know it.
Religions, all religions are helpless to this new way, as the stench of ambiguity pervades everywhere, the religious and secular.
But this St. Francis coach situation is notable in that it will be interesting how the St. Francis leaders address it, or not.
The beauty and wonder of serving lifelong in a church is the realization that you will be remembered centuries later
by people that serve just like you. What must it feel like to have served in a church all your life and then realize that religion is dying?
All religion is dying, just a transition of the times. The ink has muddied the water. The fog is everywhere. Christian or not, its all ambiguity.
Let the AD's son coach and the other family member be assistant. Or take a last shard of your religious values and make a stand.
Either way, it wont matter.
Edited by Paulie777 on 04-20-12 11:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bison89
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04-21-12 11:19 AM - Post#128566
In response to Paulie777
32-86 says it all. If a Bucknell coach had a record like that, the fans would go bonkers. I have a vision of peasants with pitch forks running after a monster. Picture an old 1950s, black and white Creature Double Feature movie.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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Don Friday fired at St Francis
04-21-12 06:26 PM - Post#128572
In response to Bison89
32-86 says it all. If a Bucknell coach had a record like that, the fans would go bonkers. I have a vision of peasants with pitch forks running after a monster. Picture an old 1950s, black and white Creature Double Feature movie.
25 points for Creature Double Feature reference...an important part of my childhood Saturdays, via Philadelphia Channel 48 (UHF, baby!)
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res
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Don Friday fired at St Francis
04-21-12 07:29 PM - Post#128573
In response to BuffaloBison
If anyone here recalls the St. Bonaventure scandal that broke in 2003 (res certainly does), the president's son was an assistant basketball coach and had his hands in the mess.
Hah! You are spot on about my recall. That little s_h_i_t didn't just have his hands in the mess, he was stirring the damn pot. And family loyalty, particularly when combined with hubris, can be an ugly, ugly thing.
btw, he became an assistant coach on the direct order of the university president, or so it is credibly claimed.
Edited by res on 04-21-12 07:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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BuffaloBison
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Re: Don Friday fired at St Francis
04-21-12 11:53 PM - Post#128576
In response to res
The Altoona Mirror yesterday ran a story that's pretty critical of Kimmel père and the whole situation.
Altoona article
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Paulie777
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04-23-12 12:41 PM - Post#128655
In response to BuffaloBison
There are two sides to every story. Look at the Penn State scandal and Sandusky allegedly molesting young boys and Paterno's looking the other way and Paterno getting fired and the Penn St. President getting the boot as well. Did Joe Pa and the President condone Sandusky's actions? Does the St. Francis President condone the hiring of family members in the Athletic department? Is a Catholic Priest in power in any position to condone anything? Shouldn't they be the ones saying, "hey lets look into this" instead of being in on it? Doesn't this raise questions at all about The Father running the show at St. Francis? I see similarities between the St. Francis situation and the Penn. St. situation in that they both involve universities and there is some aspects the ones in charge allowing things to go their way regardless of ethics. Did any university learn anything by what happened at Penn. State? Given the recency of the scandal and the proximity to St. Francis, I would say no. And when things get condoned, don't worse things follow?
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Bison1969
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04-23-12 05:58 PM - Post#128666
In response to Paulie777
SFU let a good coach and more importantly a first class person go, but I am confident he will ultimately be the winner. I' m guessing Don had to endure much with the AD's son on his staff. My guess is the AD is in his late 50s and saw this as the last opportunity to get his son the HC position. I imagine Rob got a 5 year contract and the AD will retire a year before his son gets fired, leaving his firing to the new AD and new president. You heard it here first.
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Bison137
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04-23-12 06:16 PM - Post#128668
In response to Bison1969
SFU let a good coach and more importantly a first class person go, but I am confident he will ultimately be the winner. I' m guessing Don had to endure much with the AD's son on his staff. My guess is the AD is in his late 50s and saw this as the last opportunity to get his son the HC position. I imagine Rob got a 5 year contract and the AD will retire a year before his son gets fired, leaving his firing to the new AD and new president. You heard it here first.
Sounds logical to me. My guess on the timing of this change is that it looks like St. Francis should be much improved next year, with virtually their whole team back plus the return of All-NEC guard Umar Shannon. If they had improved dramatically under Friday's watch, it might have been tough to fire him next year. Plus making the move now almost assures that his son will "improve" the team next year - which he can use to justify the coaching change. In the long run, I imagine things will get worse, not better.
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Hoop Time
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05-05-12 11:22 AM - Post#128953
In response to Bison137
Have not had much time for checking the boards of late, thus my delayed response. My "conniption" over the St Francis affair is not because of Don Friday. While I make no secret that I like Don and consider him a friend, my response is based upon a few things.
1) The way his firing was handled was classless. Google a little and you will find a story where the AD pretty much said yes, we are concerned with the record, but he has another year.
As was pointed out above, this past season SFU endured a series of setbacks that a program like theirs could not endure, one of its two best players transferred after last season, its top scorer tore up a knee in the first game (a very close loss on the road at VCU), then they lost the starting and backup point guards for disciplinary reasons.
In a lot of ways, it was similar to what Pat Flannery endured his last season and Dave Paulsen endured his first season.
But in that story, the AD observed the obvious, that the Red Flash appeared poised for a turnaround next year (assuming Umar Shannon is anything like the player he was before getting injured).
He pretty much said Don deserved the fifth and final year on his contract.
2) The timing, late as it was, left Don in a very tough spot in terms of finding another job for next season. Details of his contract, which I cannot divulge, made that timing even more classless.
That timing, though, did make it easier for the AD to turn to his son since it was late to do a search with key recruiting periods fast approaching.
Makes you wonder if old man Kimmel, who used to work at Penn State, learned the trick from Bruce Parkhill, who timed his departure to make sure Jerry Dunn would get the job.
What the timing does, though, is set up Robbie Krimmel to seem like the savior when the team Friday built wins 15 games next season, which it will do if Krimmel doesn't screw things up (again, assuming Shannon is healthy). Old man Krimmel knows the team is poised for a rebound. He said it himself in that earlier article.
If you said publicly you expect things to be much better the next season, then why the decision to switch course? The fact is, he admitted the program, despite this season's record, was headed the right direction.
3) The nepotism involved needs no explanation. But what does need explaining, to anyone who supports SFU hoops, is how a guy who was an assistant for two coaches who had a combined 32% winning percentage is the right guy to change the direction of the program.
4) I know Robbie Krimmel. He always has seemed like a good guy. And honestly, I wish him well and wish him the luck it will take to do well at SFU. Loretto makes Hamilton seem like a big city by comparison. It is a tough, tough place to recruit. Especially so with no winning tradition.
But you have to wonder how loyal he was as Friday's top assistant. Just what was said in conversations at the dinner table?
I would have had the same reaction if this had happened to a coach I didn't know as well.
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Bison89
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05-05-12 05:15 PM - Post#128955
In response to Hoop Time
Who has the highest average home attendance St. F, Colgate, or Lehigh? Just wondering. . .
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Bison137
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05-06-12 11:58 AM - Post#128964
In response to Bison89
Who has the highest average home attendance St. F, Colgate, or Lehigh? Just wondering. . .
Lehigh, not surprisingly, had the higher attendance this year. SF had a higher attendance last year despite a poor record. Over the years, LU has generally been slighly higher most years, although I don't know if SF exaagerates the attendance by as much as LU does. If SF had had the same success as LU, their attendance over the decade would almost certainly be higher.
Colgate, not surprisingly, always has a lower attendance than the other two. They haven't averaged as much as 1000 since the year after Foyle graduated. Not sure they've averaged 500 for the last decade.
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