Untitled Document
Brown Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Harvard Penn Princeton Yale



 Page 1 of 2 ALL12
Username Post: All Ivy league and POY predictions        (Topic#16331)
skiba34 
Masters Student
Posts: 951

Reg: 03-11-06
02-23-14 02:25 AM - Post#165164    

Truth be told I haven't followed the rest of the league as much this year. So outside of Columbia I really don't have a good feel of who has been playing great. I know Alex Rosenberg has.

So who else may be on the 1st team and who is in the running for POY?

Opinions???

 
iabhoops88 
Freshman
Posts: 95

Loc: Los Angeles
Reg: 01-26-13
02-23-14 04:35 AM - Post#165171    
    In response to skiba34

If I had a vote, it'd be for Justin Sears for POY. Bray, McGonagill, Rosenberg for 1st team. Maybe Cotton or Cherry. Harvard will likely get one, but different players stepping up each game. Chambers is most valuable, Saunders is best player, but Moundou-Missi has been most consistent. Curry has stepped it up and Casey may be most important player.

Leland King for ROY.

 
Justball 
Pre-Frosh
Posts: 3

Age: 37
Reg: 02-26-14
03-01-14 10:19 AM - Post#165723    
    In response to iabhoops88

For 1st team Bray, McGonagill, Sears, Rosenberg and probably a Harvard player.

Player of the Year I have Sears and ROY I like Spencer Weisz or Spieth depending how these last 3 games go for the season.

 
PeteD 
Junior
Posts: 286
PeteD
Loc: California
Reg: 03-13-07
03-01-14 02:01 PM - Post#165749    
    In response to Justball

1st Team:
Bray... 2nd in scoring (league games only), 10th in rebounding, 5th in FG %, T-2nd in assists, 1st in steals/game
Sears... 3rd in scoring, 3rd in rebounding, 2nd in blocked shots
Rosenberg... 1st in scoring, 4th in FT %, T-3rd in steals
Chambers... 1st in assists
Kuakumensah... 5th in rebounding, 15th in scoring, 1st in blocked shots, defensive POY?

2nd Team:
Lo
McGonagill
Saunders
M-M
Dougherty

It looks like Bray, Sears and Rosenberg are locks for the 1st team... POY will come down to the final weekend. Can go to any of the Top 3.

 
mrjames 
Postdoc
Posts: 4595

Loc: Jersey City, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
03-01-14 02:39 PM - Post#165753    
    In response to PeteD

So, I never know what the coaches or their SID proxies are actually judging when they submit their All-Ivy votes. They certainly seem to value offensive performance massively ahead of defensive ability. And even on the offensive end, the counting stats seem to matter more than the efficiency stats. Then, finally, some look at Ivy play only versus the full season.

Thus, I can't predict the actual teams. I will tell you that Wesley Saunders would be a unanimous first teamer in my book. He is the best two-way player in the league. Justin Sears would join him and should win POY. After that, it will likely be players who are great offensive threats, but less capable defensively. Rosenberg, Bray, Chambers, McGonagill, Hicks, etc. all come to mind. There will also be some guys who are above average on both ends (Kuakumensah, Curry and Lo come to mind).

I don't know who will ultimately win the awards, but if I were starting a team tomorrow, I'd take Sears and Saunders before anyone else.

 
Chet Forte 
PhD Student
Posts: 1778

Reg: 03-02-08
03-01-14 03:54 PM - Post#165759    
    In response to mrjames

Sears is not nearly effective on the road as he is at home, and he can be shut down. This isn't an award for most athletic, it is for the player who is the best performer, week in and week out. It is going to go down to the final weekend. In my book it is the guy who can put his team on his back.


 
mrjames 
Postdoc
Posts: 4595

Loc: Jersey City, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
03-01-14 04:11 PM - Post#165762    
    In response to Chet Forte

While I grant Sears wasn't as consistent in non-conference play, take a look at his numbers in Ivy play. He's using 30-40 percent of possessions and still decently to incredibly efficient. He is the only reason that Yale is remotely close in this chase. Which I assume is what you mean by putting the team on his back. He's not just athletic. He's a crazy effective basketball player both as a scorer and as an interior presence defensively.

 
TigerFan 
Masters Student
Posts: 871

Reg: 11-21-04
All Ivy league and POY predictions
03-01-14 04:13 PM - Post#165763    
    In response to Chet Forte

Sears was a force of nature in the first half last night against Princeton's bigs but TJ Bray shut him down in the 2nd half and Sears did not help the team in other ways to compensate. I think POY goes to TJ or Saunders, both of whom have all around games and spark their teams when they need it. All three should be locks for 1st team and I'd add Chambers, Frankowski and McGonagle (whose name I can't even spell but of whom others seem to be highly enamored. )

Edited by TigerFan on 03-01-14 04:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PeteD 
Junior
Posts: 286
PeteD
Loc: California
Reg: 03-13-07
Re: All Ivy league and POY predictions
03-01-14 11:35 PM - Post#165847    
    In response to TigerFan

  • TigerFan Said:
... and I'd add Chambers, Frankowski and...



Wait... wut?

 
skiba34 
Masters Student
Posts: 951

Reg: 03-11-06
03-01-14 11:52 PM - Post#165851    
    In response to PeteD

Must assume he meant Rosenberg. Both Peddie Prep grads however.

 
TigerFan 
Masters Student
Posts: 871

Reg: 11-21-04
03-02-14 01:00 AM - Post#165856    
    In response to skiba34

Yes.

 
jumanji 
Freshman
Posts: 29

Reg: 08-21-13
03-02-14 12:48 PM - Post#165885    
    In response to TigerFan

I'd have Sears (PoY), Saunders, Bray, Rosenberg as clear first-teamers. Nobody really stands out for the fifth spot to me; I'd put McGonagill there today, but wouldn't argue with a few others.

I have no doubt Saunders will be a first-teamer, and I think he'll get some PoY support. Coaches everywhere love him.

 
Old Bear 
Postdoc
Posts: 3247

Reg: 11-23-04
03-02-14 01:08 PM - Post#165888    
    In response to jumanji

Saunders (POY), Bray, McGonagill, Sears, Chambers and Rosenberg. Yes, I know that's six.

 
mountainred 
Junior
Posts: 240

Age: 50
Loc: Charleston, WV
Reg: 04-11-10
03-02-14 04:35 PM - Post#165909    
    In response to Old Bear

Using Basketball State's average efficiency in league games you get (not counting Maldunas)

First team: Bray, Sears, Rosenberg, Dougherty, and Moundou-Missi.
Second team: McGonagill, Saunders, Kuac, Curry and Spieth.
Lo would be first Honorable Mention.

Personally, I think Saunders is close to a 1st team lock, as are Bray, Sears and Rosenberg. I bet McG gets the last spot over a second Harvard player because he's a senior and because no consensus develops on who gets the next Crimson vote.

I'd give Sears POY pretty much regardless of what happens this weekend; where are the Bulldogs witout him? Spieth is the likely ROY, though I can't shake the memory of Leland King tearing us up in Newman with 23/12/4.

 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3059

Reg: 02-04-06
03-02-14 04:41 PM - Post#165911    
    In response to mountainred

Saunders has to be first team when you consider his defense. He's like Sydney Johnson with better scoring.

 
TheLine 
Postdoc
Posts: 2839

Age: 53
Reg: 07-07-09
03-04-14 09:55 PM - Post#166111    
    In response to SRP

Saunders, Sears, Rosenberg, Bray, McGonagill

Saunders as POY but would not argue if it was Sears.

2nd team: Chambers, Lo, Kuakamensah, Dougherty, Casey

 
Dr. V 
PhD Student
Posts: 1341

Reg: 11-21-04
03-05-14 12:41 AM - Post#166117    
    In response to TheLine

Hard to argue with that.

 
IvyBballFan 
Senior
Posts: 369

Age: 70
Reg: 11-19-09
03-05-14 02:22 PM - Post#166131    
    In response to Dr. V

With one weekend left before All-Ivy type awards are announced, here is what I see.

Team I
PG- McGonagill
SG-Bray
SF-Saunders
PF-Rosenberg
C-Sears

Team II
PG-Chambers
SG-Lo
SF-Cressler
PF-Mondou-Missi
PF/C-Dougherty

HM
Hicks
Weisz

Boehm(HM?)
Brase(HM?)
Rivard(HM?)

With really good weekends, the (HM?) guys could earn HM.

POY-Bray. Princeton's brutal opening stretch, alot of it on the road, that left them with three losses by a total of five points, should not detract from his season-long performance. His work on both ends of the court, particularly if the Tigers sweep their remaining three games, merits this award.

ROY-Weisz. Solid the whole season with a particularly strong finish.

Some mention Kyle Casey. I, too, like his game. When he is on the court, he is a major contributor. However, he remains foul-prone, especially for a senior. Whether the refs don't cut him any breaks or he just plain fouls alot, his fouling has limited his playing time to 22MPG, whereas all the others on the AI team play 27 or more, and have the numbers to show it.

 
Old Bear 
Postdoc
Posts: 3247

Reg: 11-23-04
All Ivy league and POY predictions
03-05-14 05:32 PM - Post#166136    
    In response to IvyBballFan

Spieth and King should get consideration for ROY, Spieth would be my choice, but I'm afraid they may cancel each other out. The All Rookie Team (if there was one) would be Spieth, King, Weisz, Blackmon and Hobbie.

 
H78 
PhD Student
Posts: 1413
H78
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 01-06-11
03-05-14 08:01 PM - Post#166154    
    In response to Old Bear

  • Old Bear Said:
Saunders (POY), Bray, McGonagill, Sears, Chambers and Rosenberg. Yes, I know that's six.


I'd second (or 6th) that.

 
 Page 1 of 2 ALL12
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

3788 Views




Copyright © 2004-2012 Basketball U. Terms of Use for our Site and Privacy Policy are applicable to you. All rights reserved.
Basketball U. and its subsidiaries are not affiliated in any way with any NCAA athletic conference or member institution.
FusionBB™ Version 2.1 | ©2003-2007 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 0.079 seconds.   Total Queries: 13   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0500) Eastern. Current time is 12:02 AM
Top