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internetter 
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03-20-14 01:06 PM - Post#167630    

Granted his release to transfer, a tweet claims
west coast fan


 
H78 
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03-20-14 01:14 PM - Post#167633    
    In response to internetter

Is this just bad for Cornell, or bad for the Ivies as well?

 
cornellfan4 
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03-20-14 02:52 PM - Post#167649    
    In response to H78

And the dominoes start to fall. Hopefully Cressler did Cornell a favor by the AD realizing they have to fire Courtney and hire Donahue now

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-20-14 10:17 PM - Post#167700    
    In response to cornellfan4

Donahue will make $1M+ per year to sit on his butt for the next two years. Is Cornell going to match that?


 
umbrellaman 
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03-20-14 11:07 PM - Post#167702    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Chip, would anyone have to match that? The contract is only good if he doesn't coach anywhere? If so, he won't be going to Penn, either.

 
H78 
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03-20-14 11:19 PM - Post#167705    
    In response to umbrellaman

Interesting point. Although, he can probably get Bruce Pearl's old gig at ESPN, right?

 
cornellfan4 
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03-20-14 11:41 PM - Post#167709    
    In response to H78

Didn't realize that is how those contracts usually work, no one is going to pay him near that though

 
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03-20-14 11:51 PM - Post#167710    
    In response to cornellfan4

That's why I suggested me may work in broadcasting as an analyst, because it probably doesn't violate his contract. I could be wrong, though.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-21-14 12:07 AM - Post#167712    
    In response to H78

My understanding of coaching contracts is that they only get voided if you take another coaching job. Turns out Donahue has two years left on his deal.


 
palestra38 
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03-21-14 12:30 PM - Post#167752    
    In response to Chip Bayers

I of course would have to read the contract, but unless college contracts are different from pro contracts, the school that fires a coach is responsible for paying the difference between the contracted salary and the new salary. I don't believe they get out of the contract unless there is something akin to a restrictive covenant, which I have never seen in this type of contract. But without seeing the contract, this is only a guess.

 
palestra38 
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03-21-14 12:33 PM - Post#167754    
    In response to palestra38

Just by way of illustration, this is from the Wikipedia article on Mike Shanahan, who was just fired by the 'Skins:

"Redskins owner Daniel Snyder fired Shanahan on December 30, 2013. The team finished 3-13 in the 2013 season, and was in last place in the NFC East division 3 of 4 seasons. Shanahan would have had a $7M salary for 2014, what would have been his last year on his contract. If Shanahan is able to find another coaching job, the new salary is deducted from his $7M, the difference is paid by Redskins.[20]"

 
mountainred 
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03-23-14 05:27 PM - Post#167984    
    In response to palestra38

palestra38, I think that's the standard coaching contract and I can't imagine Steve's deal at BC being any different. But, like you, I haven't read it and so don't know for certain.


 
mountainred 
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03-23-14 05:35 PM - Post#167985    
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  • H78 Said:
Is this just bad for Cornell, or bad for the Ivies as well?



It's not good for the league if a player with Nolan's talent leaves, but all it really means is the league's worst team won't get much better.

Cornell is going to need one of their freshman to step up, or a ton of the Robert Hatter Experience, to have any deep threat next season.

 
cornellfan4 
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03-23-14 06:06 PM - Post#167991    
    In response to mountainred

And by deep threat you mean win more than 5 games

 
mountainred 
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03-24-14 08:49 PM - Post#168157    
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  • cornellfan4 Said:
And by deep threat you mean win more than 5 games



Actually, I meant someone who was a credible three point shooter. Hatter is the best returning three point shooter (34.7%) and he was streaky as anything. The "hot hand" may be a myth, but 80% of his makes came in literally five games.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cornell won more than five games next year, and I'm pretty down on the program. Five wins isn't very hard. Only three D1 teams failed to win that many.

 
H78 
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03-24-14 09:04 PM - Post#168166    
    In response to mountainred

What's the word on Shonn Miller's return?

 
cornellfan4 
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03-24-14 09:36 PM - Post#168183    
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  • H78 Said:
What's the word on Shonn Miller's return?



Nothing yet, at this point I just hope he doesnt transfer

 
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03-24-14 11:55 PM - Post#168259    
    In response to cornellfan4

  • cornellfan4 Said:
  • H78 Said:
What's the word on Shonn Miller's return?


Nothing yet, at this point I just hope he doesnt transfer


I wonder how many people (at Cornell and elsewhere) have him on auto-dial?

 
mountainred 
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03-25-14 07:13 AM - Post#168272    
    In response to H78

You'd think if Miller was going to transfer, that he would have done last year -- so his mandatory year off coincided with his recuperation. Can't imagine he wants two full years off.

Word on his recuperation was understandably quiet. From Barry and Eric's broadcasts, he seemed to be back practicing with the team.

 
Penn94 
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03-26-14 09:57 AM - Post#168410    
    In response to mountainred

I would think that if he transfers now, he could ask for the waiver of the one-year break, yes? Since I am assuming he didn't participate in any team activities this year?


 
igetzbuckets 
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03-26-14 02:03 PM - Post#168429    
    In response to Penn94

If there is no scholarships in IVY play why does one have to sit at all? It's not like he received any special privileges? Seems unfair to the player's of IVY ball that they are subject to same NCAA rules scholarship athletes are at other schools.

 
mountainred 
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03-26-14 06:38 PM - Post#168452    
    In response to Penn94

  • Penn94 Said:
I would think that if he transfers now, he could ask for the waiver of the one-year break, yes? Since I am assuming he didn't participate in any team activities this year?



I guess you can always apply for a waiver and won't hazard a guess as to how the NCAA chooses to grant them. I didn't see a mention of this exception in the NCAA's printed transfer rules, but that's probably not dispositive.

My understanding is that he had started to practice with the team, but certainly did not play in any game or scrimmage.


 
SomeGuy 
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03-26-14 08:59 PM - Post#168470    
    In response to mountainred

Practicing with the team could be an issue for getting a fifth year of eligibility.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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03-26-14 10:26 PM - Post#168483    
    In response to Penn94

If the Ivy League does not give "athletic scholarships" why did Cressler need a "release?" I thought student-athletes in the Ivy League did not need to obtain a "release" to transfer to another school. Am I mistaken?

 
H78 
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03-27-14 12:03 AM - Post#168492    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

  • Columbia 37P6 Said:
If the Ivy League does not give "athletic scholarships" why did Cressler need a "release?" I thought student-athletes in the Ivy League did not need to obtain a "release" to transfer to another school. Am I mistaken?


Varsity athletes do need a release, I gather. Max Hooper got a release 2 years ago, sat out one year at St. Johns, and played this past season. I'm sure there are other examples people can cite.

 
cornellfan4 
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03-27-14 08:34 AM - Post#168508    
    In response to H78

https://twitter.com/BrewsterHoops/status/ 448972681...

Speaking of Max Hooper, Hooper is graduating and transferring again

 
mountainred 
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03-27-14 06:21 PM - Post#168545    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

  • Columbia 37P6 Said:
If the Ivy League does not give "athletic scholarships" why did Cressler need a "release?" I thought student-athletes in the Ivy League did not need to obtain a "release" to transfer to another school. Am I mistaken?



You may be thinking of National Letters of Intent, which the Ivies and service academies don't use. Sign one of those and if the school does not release the you when you enroll somewhere else you lose a year of eligibility and must sit out a season.

 
H78 
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03-29-14 11:24 PM - Post#168641    
    In response to cornellfan4

  • cornellfan4 Said:
https://twitter.com/BrewsterHoops/status/ 448972681...

Speaking of Max Hooper, Hooper is graduating and transferring again


Wow. So, not counting the one-year sitting out time at St. Johns, that makes 6 schools in 6 years for this well-traveled young man:

Jr. year in NorCal
Sr. year at Mater Dei
Post Grad year at Brewster
Freshman year at Harvard
RS Sophomore year at St. Johns
Next year, wherever...

 
AsiaSunset 
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03-31-14 04:51 PM - Post#168790    
    In response to H78

Rutgers in between Harvard and St John's

 
H78 
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03-31-14 11:57 PM - Post#168807    
    In response to AsiaSunset

I remember that Hooper, like a number of other BB players, prides himself in his large and catalogued shoe collection. Perhaps a metaphor for all the places he's been!

You're kidding about Rutgers, right? I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes.

 
AsiaSunset 
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04-02-14 04:27 PM - Post#168911    
    In response to H78

Actually just mistaken. I had another Harvard prep school target on the mind - Austin Carroll

 
H78 
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04-02-14 07:21 PM - Post#168926    
    In response to AsiaSunset

That's OK. You know, with all the schools he's attended, it'd be easy to toss Rutgers in there as well.

 
Bryan 
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04-08-14 07:47 AM - Post#169160    
    In response to H78

According to the Pittsburgh Tribune this morning Cressler now has scholarship offers from Dayton, Vanderbilt and Rutgers.

Bryan

 
mountainred 
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04-15-14 08:37 PM - Post#169506    
    In response to Bryan

Getting back to the original topic: Cressler is headed to Vandy.

 
Penn94 
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04-16-14 10:52 AM - Post#169527    
    In response to mountainred

and the Cornell to Vanderbilt pipeline is re-opened 20 years later after Pax Whitehead went there.


 
rbg 
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09-07-18 11:11 AM - Post#261000    
    In response to Penn94

Some Nolan Cressler news. He has signed a contract to play with KK Dynamic of the Basketball League of Serbia. Last year, was in Estonia where he play in the Baltic League for Avis Utilitas Rapla.

https://triblive.com/sports/otherlocal/140 50945-74...

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/other-sports/2 0...

 
mountainred 
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09-08-18 01:12 PM - Post#261046    
    In response to rbg

Estonia seems to be agreeing with him (or at least his basketball game).

 
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