Jeff2sf
Postdoc
Posts: 4466
Reg: 11-22-04
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09-02-14 01:18 PM - Post#172485
In response to palestra38
i mean who cares. We're not trying to get seeded here. as long as we all agree to judge progress by kenpom or sagarin and not raw W/L, we'll be fine.
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts: 3770
Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
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09-02-14 01:30 PM - Post#172486
In response to Jeff2sf
Can't argue with Jeff. Furthermore, from the perspective of a fan, this coming season will almost certainly be more entertaining if we play an easier schedule. Perhaps we'll actually pick up a few wins. Leave the tough schedules for when we actually have a respectable team again.
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PennHoopsFan
Masters Student
Posts: 633
Loc: Mid-Atlantic
Reg: 02-23-09
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09-02-14 01:33 PM - Post#172487
In response to Silver Maple
. . . and both effectiveness and stability in the coaching department!
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
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09-02-14 01:53 PM - Post#172488
In response to Jeff2sf
As a season ticket holder, I do value the quality of the teams that we see. With this schedule, I see not much interest developing, especially with 1 home game in 2 months. My question is why are we always looking for games in August before the season? Why haven't we worked out deals with teams who might want to recruit in our area and want their recruits to see them at the Palestra? It's almost as if scheduling has been an afterthought.
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts: 3770
Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
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2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 01:58 PM - Post#172491
In response to palestra38
I think the program is quite organizationally deficient. Running a D1 men's basketball program is a pretty big administrative challenge. The coaching staff, administrative staff and athletic department staff don't seem to be up to the job. From the haphazard scheduling, to the embarrassingly botched Italy trip last summer, to the amateurish marketing efforts, to the lack of attention to player development, to many of the other problems, a lot of the team's woes are probably traceable to administrative incompetence.
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LocusBB
Sophomore
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Age: 52
Reg: 07-27-13
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Re: 2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 03:08 PM - Post#172499
In response to Silver Maple
to the amateurish marketing efforts
That is an understatement, Totally agree
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Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
Posts: 1601
Reg: 11-21-04
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09-02-14 03:54 PM - Post#172501
In response to LocusBB
Marketing? What marketing? I've seen CYO teams with more customer awareness than this. One home game in two months?! If that doesn't tell you what this coach thinks of students and his fellow alumni than what will?
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weinhauers_ghost
Postdoc
Posts: 2137
Age: 64
Loc: New York City
Reg: 12-14-09
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09-02-14 03:59 PM - Post#172502
In response to Buckeye Quake
If no one sees them, will the losses really count?
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Redfish
Masters Student
Posts: 767
Loc: under a bridge in Phoenix...
Reg: 11-26-04
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09-02-14 07:45 PM - Post#172507
In response to weinhauers_ghost
worst Penn schedule in history.
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penn nation
Professor
Posts: 21193
Reg: 12-02-04
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2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 07:55 PM - Post#172510
In response to SteveChop
I got a good laugh when I saw your post--the "chit" they give you as a season ticket holder is a few hours "heads up" on the schedule that us bumbling Sherlock Holmes types had managed to figure out already (well, maybe 95% of it, anyways).
They must take you for a fool. Seriously.
Edited by penn nation on 09-02-14 07:56 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
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09-02-14 07:56 PM - Post#172511
In response to Redfish
Figures that if you say the same line 1000 times, eventually you would be right.
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Ted
Junior
Posts: 222
Reg: 12-23-12
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Re: 2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 09:32 PM - Post#172515
In response to Silver Maple
I think it's more a case of administrative indifference (at the top), more than incompetence.
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SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1154
Reg: 07-28-07
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Re: 2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 10:15 PM - Post#172516
In response to penn nation
Thanks for the "compliment", PN. You know I considered just putting the dates of the games but decided to give the whole message. I see that some can't be trusted to read it and understand that the comment is no doubt a reaction to the fact that they sent the renewal applications without a schedule. It's a face saving maneuver.
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SteveChop
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Reg: 07-28-07
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09-02-14 10:18 PM - Post#172517
In response to gopenngo
As (I think) we have discussed previously on this board, the issue is that Drexel's coach will only play us in a home and home series with their home game at the DAC rather than both games at the Palestra as has been done in the past. The exception was when we played Drexel in that 24 hour ESPN first day thing a few years ago.
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palestra38
Professor
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Re: 2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 10:19 PM - Post#172518
In response to SteveChop
Really? I don't know about you, but I felt deeply honored that I received the official schedule a few hours before everyone else. That and the free popcorn and Palestra Illustrated coupons that come with the season ticket make it all worthwhile, even if the soda is flat.
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
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Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
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Re: 2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 10:29 PM - Post#172520
In response to Ted
I think it's more a case of administrative indifference (at the top), more than incompetence.
Well, it's more like both. The indifference at the top means they tolerate the incompetence within the program.
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penn nation
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Re: 2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 11:09 PM - Post#172522
In response to SteveChop
I think this is what happens when we're about to see the Titanic sail alongside the fact that all of our baseball teams are out of the running, or nearly so.
We get punch drunk when we see what's on the menu of the Titanic.
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Pennsylvania69
Junior
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Loc: Chester County, PA
Reg: 11-21-04
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09-02-14 11:10 PM - Post#172523
In response to Silver Maple
The sentence that really got to me, from the email that Steve posted earlier:
"I think our 2014-15 schedule exemplifies the sense of standard that has been associated with this national program."
Delaware State, Ryder, Lafayette, Wagner, Navy, Binghamton, Marist, Vanderbilt, Niagara and Monmouth.
Says a lot.
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Ted
Junior
Posts: 222
Reg: 12-23-12
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Re: 2014-2015 schedule
09-02-14 11:12 PM - Post#172524
In response to Silver Maple
Exactly. You stated my real point much better than I did. Thanks!
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gopenngo
Masters Student
Posts: 487
Reg: 01-30-06
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09-03-14 12:19 AM - Post#172526
In response to Pennsylvania69
Yup. And the truly horrifying part of it is trying to believe we even get a winning record from those 10 games.
But, it seems odd to me that the head coach "...has announced the program's 2014-15 schedule." (Did You-know-who or Dunph ever "announce the schedule?")
My personal opinion is that she's already hanging him out to dry. And she made him write his own copy.
"...sense of standard..." At least I hope it's the John R Rockwell fellow who wrote that and not someone who's paid to - oh never mind.
Rather than a sense of standard, I long for a whiff of competence.
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