Penn90
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Reg: 11-22-04
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07-29-14 10:49 PM - Post#171832
What is wrong with this guy?
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Redfish
Masters Student
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Loc: under a bridge in Phoenix...
Reg: 11-26-04
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07-30-14 01:22 AM - Post#171833
In response to Penn90
He was just improving his defensive stats - off the court
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Charlie Fog
Masters Student
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Age: 55
Loc: Philly
Reg: 11-12-13
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Re: More Tony Bagtas Goodness 07-30-14 07:52 AM - Post#171834
In response to Penn90
Link?
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10Q
Professor
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Loc: Suburban Philly
Reg: 11-21-04
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07-30-14 08:54 AM - Post#171835
In response to Charlie Fog
I blame this all on Jerome and Bilsky. This would never have happened under Coach Dunphy's watch.
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Penn90
Masters Student
Posts: 570
Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: More Tony Bagtas Goodness 07-30-14 08:56 AM - Post#171836
In response to Charlie Fog
http://www.thedp.com/article/2014/07/antho ny-bagta...
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weinhauers_ghost
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Loc: New York City
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07-30-14 09:24 AM - Post#171837
In response to Penn90
Looks like this kid started trying to bury himself from the moment he stepped on campus.
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palestra38
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
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07-30-14 10:08 AM - Post#171839
In response to 10Q
I have to think there was something more going on here than simply a need to raise money for late night Wawa raids. There was a deep and pervasive issue with the team itself last year that still has not been fully disclosed, although there are many hints. How a coach could survive that is simply unimaginable, other than the AD change. So Bilsky kicked the problem to his successor, who came in too late to make a change. What it boils down to, however, is the real issue---they really don't care about sports in general and basketball in particular in College Hall.
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10Q
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07-30-14 10:12 AM - Post#171840
In response to palestra38
It's more than not caring. It's hostility.
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Penn90
Masters Student
Posts: 570
Reg: 11-22-04
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07-30-14 10:13 AM - Post#171841
In response to palestra38
He's the Willie Sutton of Penn hoops.
"Why did you choose to play basketball at Penn?"
"Because that's where the money is."
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SteveChop
PhD Student
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Reg: 07-28-07
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07-30-14 10:49 AM - Post#171843
In response to Penn90
Linking the issue with Tony Bagtas to Coach Allen and Steve Bilsky is a red herring. Unfortunately, we have a sad story of a young man who was gifted athletically but not ready for college/Penn/both? To say that the bad actions and poor judgment of a single 19 year old evidences a "deep and pervasive issue with the team itself" is a pretty big leap. My hope is that Tony Bagtas gets himself straightened out.
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Tiger69
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07-30-14 11:09 AM - Post#171844
In response to SteveChop
Amen.
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palestra38
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07-30-14 11:23 AM - Post#171845
In response to SteveChop
Come on Steve---we all know that there was another problem with this team and that the Bagtas situation may or may not have been a manifestation of that. But the deep seated problems of last year's team were by no means limited to Bagtas. We had mid-season suspensions and a couple of players essentially booted off the team at the end of the year. If you do not ascribe responsibility to the coach and AD, who do you blame here? These are kids who are required to follow certain rules. If they are not following the rules, why is that the case?
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SteveChop
PhD Student
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Reg: 07-28-07
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07-30-14 04:02 PM - Post#171857
In response to palestra38
The thread had to do with Tony Bagtas and, to that point, only Tony Bagtas. My issue was that the Bagtas situation was being pointed at as the source of the "deep and pervasive issue with the team itself". I will acknowledge that other issues were present but I'm going to limit them to basketball, i.e. we weren't winning games.
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Penn90
Masters Student
Posts: 570
Reg: 11-22-04
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07-30-14 04:12 PM - Post#171858
In response to SteveChop
Agreed. He seems like one really bad apple.
However, I do hope the new AD asks Allen if he's learned anything from the episode or if there is there anything he'd do differently -- the usual questions any executive should ask a manager after a new hire goes really bad.
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penn nation
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07-30-14 04:42 PM - Post#171859
In response to Penn90
One would hope that the new AD would have asked the old AD the same question for the same reasons. I highly doubt, however, that this question was ever asked, let alone answered.
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Silver Maple
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Reg: 11-23-04
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07-30-14 04:44 PM - Post#171860
In response to penn nation
I hope the new AD asks Allen what he's learned from the past two dreadful seasons, and what he intends do differently going forward to turn the program around. And I'd love to be a fly on the wall during that conversation.
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SRP
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07-31-14 06:47 PM - Post#171900
In response to Silver Maple
The part that kind of brought me up with a start was:
"Bagtas was charged by an Indicting Grand Jury as opposed to at a preliminary hearing, meaning that some form of witness intimidation was involved or was suspected to be likely to happen in the proceedings against him. A spokesperson for the Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office said that Bagtas is not currently charged with witness intimidation, but noted that doesn’t mean he won’t be charged in the future."
Witness intimidation? You'd have to think he managed to hide a bunch of character flaws during recruiting. And maybe he was under more pressure of various kinds than an outsider would realize.
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Redfish
Masters Student
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Loc: under a bridge in Phoenix...
Reg: 11-26-04
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07-31-14 06:52 PM - Post#171902
In response to SRP
witness intimidation from a jock? Nahhhhh...
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palestra38
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07-31-14 08:35 PM - Post#171911
In response to SRP
While I'm not a criminal lawyer, I think this conclusion is a bit of a jump. Prosecutors like grand juries because the defendant has no right to participate and the standard of showing probable cause is lower. You also don't have to disclose your evidence to the other side in front of a judge (this is the part that can suggest it is for witness intimidation--it also is for a weaker case).
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igetzbuckets
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Age: 47
Reg: 07-01-13
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08-18-14 04:32 PM - Post#172221
In response to palestra38
Are there any new developments in the Bagtas case?
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