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Username Post: More Tony Bagtas Goodness        (Topic#16802)
Penn90 
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07-29-14 10:49 PM - Post#171832    

What is wrong with this guy?
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Redfish 
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07-30-14 01:22 AM - Post#171833    
    In response to Penn90

He was just improving his defensive stats - off the court

 
Charlie Fog 
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Re: More Tony Bagtas Goodness
07-30-14 07:52 AM - Post#171834    
    In response to Penn90

Link?

 
10Q 
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Reg: 11-21-04
07-30-14 08:54 AM - Post#171835    
    In response to Charlie Fog

I blame this all on Jerome and Bilsky. This would never have happened under Coach Dunphy's watch.

 
Penn90 
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Re: More Tony Bagtas Goodness
07-30-14 08:56 AM - Post#171836    
    In response to Charlie Fog

http://www.thedp.com/article/2014/07/antho ny-bagta...
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weinhauers_ghost 
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07-30-14 09:24 AM - Post#171837    
    In response to Penn90

Looks like this kid started trying to bury himself from the moment he stepped on campus.

 
palestra38 
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07-30-14 10:08 AM - Post#171839    
    In response to 10Q

I have to think there was something more going on here than simply a need to raise money for late night Wawa raids. There was a deep and pervasive issue with the team itself last year that still has not been fully disclosed, although there are many hints. How a coach could survive that is simply unimaginable, other than the AD change. So Bilsky kicked the problem to his successor, who came in too late to make a change. What it boils down to, however, is the real issue---they really don't care about sports in general and basketball in particular in College Hall.

 
10Q 
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07-30-14 10:12 AM - Post#171840    
    In response to palestra38

It's more than not caring. It's hostility.

 
Penn90 
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07-30-14 10:13 AM - Post#171841    
    In response to palestra38

He's the Willie Sutton of Penn hoops.

"Why did you choose to play basketball at Penn?"
"Because that's where the money is."
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SteveChop 
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07-30-14 10:49 AM - Post#171843    
    In response to Penn90

Linking the issue with Tony Bagtas to Coach Allen and Steve Bilsky is a red herring. Unfortunately, we have a sad story of a young man who was gifted athletically but not ready for college/Penn/both? To say that the bad actions and poor judgment of a single 19 year old evidences a "deep and pervasive issue with the team itself" is a pretty big leap. My hope is that Tony Bagtas gets himself straightened out.

 
Tiger69 
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07-30-14 11:09 AM - Post#171844    
    In response to SteveChop

Amen.

 
palestra38 
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07-30-14 11:23 AM - Post#171845    
    In response to SteveChop

Come on Steve---we all know that there was another problem with this team and that the Bagtas situation may or may not have been a manifestation of that. But the deep seated problems of last year's team were by no means limited to Bagtas. We had mid-season suspensions and a couple of players essentially booted off the team at the end of the year. If you do not ascribe responsibility to the coach and AD, who do you blame here? These are kids who are required to follow certain rules. If they are not following the rules, why is that the case?

 
SteveChop 
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07-30-14 04:02 PM - Post#171857    
    In response to palestra38

The thread had to do with Tony Bagtas and, to that point, only Tony Bagtas. My issue was that the Bagtas situation was being pointed at as the source of the "deep and pervasive issue with the team itself". I will acknowledge that other issues were present but I'm going to limit them to basketball, i.e. we weren't winning games.

 
Penn90 
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07-30-14 04:12 PM - Post#171858    
    In response to SteveChop

Agreed. He seems like one really bad apple.

However, I do hope the new AD asks Allen if he's learned anything from the episode or if there is there anything he'd do differently -- the usual questions any executive should ask a manager after a new hire goes really bad.
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penn nation 
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07-30-14 04:42 PM - Post#171859    
    In response to Penn90

One would hope that the new AD would have asked the old AD the same question for the same reasons. I highly doubt, however, that this question was ever asked, let alone answered.

 
Silver Maple 
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Reg: 11-23-04
07-30-14 04:44 PM - Post#171860    
    In response to penn nation

I hope the new AD asks Allen what he's learned from the past two dreadful seasons, and what he intends do differently going forward to turn the program around. And I'd love to be a fly on the wall during that conversation.

 
SRP 
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07-31-14 06:47 PM - Post#171900    
    In response to Silver Maple

The part that kind of brought me up with a start was:

"Bagtas was charged by an Indicting Grand Jury as opposed to at a preliminary hearing, meaning that some form of witness intimidation was involved or was suspected to be likely to happen in the proceedings against him. A spokesperson for the Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office said that Bagtas is not currently charged with witness intimidation, but noted that doesn’t mean he won’t be charged in the future."

Witness intimidation? You'd have to think he managed to hide a bunch of character flaws during recruiting. And maybe he was under more pressure of various kinds than an outsider would realize.



 
Redfish 
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07-31-14 06:52 PM - Post#171902    
    In response to SRP

witness intimidation from a jock? Nahhhhh...

 
palestra38 
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07-31-14 08:35 PM - Post#171911    
    In response to SRP

While I'm not a criminal lawyer, I think this conclusion is a bit of a jump. Prosecutors like grand juries because the defendant has no right to participate and the standard of showing probable cause is lower. You also don't have to disclose your evidence to the other side in front of a judge (this is the part that can suggest it is for witness intimidation--it also is for a weaker case).

 
igetzbuckets 
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08-18-14 04:32 PM - Post#172221    
    In response to palestra38

Are there any new developments in the Bagtas case?

 
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