pennhoops
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07-30-14 12:55 PM - Post#171846
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penn nation
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Re: Jake Silpe to Penn 07-30-14 01:17 PM - Post#171850
In response to pennhoops
If this MOT PG is half as good as the last one we had, we'll be set for the rest of the decade.
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jmverlin
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07-30-14 01:46 PM - Post#171851
In response to penn nation
Technically, reported by Jake himself. Here's the story (though I'm going to add a quote from CHEast quote Dave Allen when he calls me back):
http://cityofbasketballlo ve.com/2014/07/cherry-hil...
I can't tell you guys how much I love this get for Penn. I've had a few coaches texting me already that are upset they didn't get him. He's the PG that you guys have been waiting for since Zack Rosen left; he's a winner, has a great attitude, plays his butt off and just knows how to get the job done. This is an "A" class right now and from what I'm hearing, those guys are all committed no matter who's coaching next year.
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Penndemonium
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07-30-14 02:10 PM - Post#171852
In response to jmverlin
Wow - this sounds like a good one. I really liked his video a lot. Jake and Jule sound like the second coming of Allen and Moore. I love it. I also like having Antonio Wood there - maybe PG will finally turn into an area of strength.
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Silver Maple
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07-30-14 02:27 PM - Post#171854
In response to Penndemonium
It really does look like an excellent recruiting class. However (and I hate to be the downer here), we've been down this road before. Penn has had quite a few recruits in recent years who came in with impressive credentials. Unfortunately, very few have panned out. In fact, you could argue that the only one who's really reached his apparent potential was Zack Rosen. The rest have all been disappointments. It's clear to me that this must be attributed to coaching. I hope that we now have a coaching staff that has the ability to take these high school kids and turn them into college players. Otherwise, we'll all continue to grouse about unrealized potential.
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palestra38
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Jake Silpe to Penn 07-30-14 02:36 PM - Post#171855
In response to Silver Maple
Actually, Miller recruited 2 pretty damn good classes. Zack was great. Bernardini was very good and could have been an all time player had he not suffered injuries. Belcore was the Begley of that team. Jack Eggleston was every bit as good as Koko. Monckton, Turley, Gaines, Howlett and Cofield all were guys who were good ballplayers who for reasons other than basketball ability did not work out. But absent injury and the Miller meltdown, that was a pretty good set of players. Much much better than we are likely to put out on the court next year. Which raises the issue of whether even if Jerome recruits well, can he get the best out of the team on the court?
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10Q
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07-30-14 02:41 PM - Post#171856
In response to palestra38
Best news in a very long time (hopefully).
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QHoops
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07-30-14 07:19 PM - Post#171866
In response to 10Q
Speaking of Antonio Woods, has there been any indication of if he is going to play football?
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section110
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07-30-14 08:04 PM - Post#171868
In response to QHoops
Don't know how significant it is but he wasn't on the football list of incoming players.
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AsiaSunset
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07-31-14 06:38 AM - Post#171871
In response to section110
Heard he will wait on football until sophomore year. Only bb this year.
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Charlie Fog
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07-31-14 07:47 AM - Post#171873
In response to AsiaSunset
Good stuff. Congrats to the staff.
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Mike Porter
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07-31-14 04:54 PM - Post#171890
In response to Silver Maple
It really does look like an excellent recruiting class. However (and I hate to be the downer here), we've been down this road before. Penn has had quite a few recruits in recent years who came in with impressive credentials. Unfortunately, very few have panned out. In fact, you could argue that the only one who's really reached his apparent potential was Zack Rosen. The rest have all been disappointments. It's clear to me that this must be attributed to coaching. I hope that we now have a coaching staff that has the ability to take these high school kids and turn them into college players. Otherwise, we'll all continue to grouse about unrealized potential.
This looks like a very good commitment for sure which is great, but base on what criteria does this recruiting class look "excellent"?
Not saying it isn't as I haven't followed as much as I normally do, and not sure how much this Jake bumps us up... but by any of the stuff I have read, we have one of the least heralded classes in the Ivy League and would genuinely love to hear differently.
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Cvonvorys
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08-28-14 09:47 PM - Post#172403
In response to Mike Porter
I just checked the ESPN website, and they now have Silpe rated as the #49 PG & 3 stars. I thought they originally has him as an NR, which had me scratching my head as to why so many people on this board thought he was the second coming of Zack...
With that in mind, I am preparing for a disastrous upcoming season, but this (and a lot of Stoli) might help ease the pain...
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PhillyPantsAC
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08-29-14 11:28 AM - Post#172418
In response to Cvonvorys
From the Insider write-up on ESPN:
Updated 08/28/2014
Strengths:
He owns every intangible you could want in a point guard-he's super tough, highly intelligent, and a great passer. His toughness resonates every aspect of his floor game giving him a great motor and allowing him to maximize his physical tools on both ends. He's a master of fakes, with both his feet and the ball, and has a definite moxy and presence about him at the point. He sees the floor, moves the ball, puts his passes on the money, and consistently creates with deceptive quickness off the dribble. He's also a better defender than he is often given credit for.
Weaknesses:
He can make some shots but he isn't a great shooter. His mechanics and release point can both be inconsistent at times and it's likely not due to a lack of reps. He's not naturally explosive but works hard to maximize the physical tools he does have. There are moments when his competitiveness can get the better of him at times and he can try and do too much.
Bottom Line:
He's not an elite athlete or shooter but he's a coach's dream at the point because he's as tough and competitive as they come, a true floor general, and natural leader.
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Chip Bayers
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08-30-14 10:13 AM - Post#172436
In response to PhillyPantsAC
Zack Rosen wasn't lacking reps coming into college, and yet he improved his shot and added tons to his game during his career. Hopefully Silpe can do the same.
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Charlie Fog
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08-30-14 02:09 PM - Post#172437
In response to Chip Bayers
It sounds like we got the floor general we desperately needed.
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Redfish
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08-30-14 07:35 PM - Post#172440
In response to Charlie Fog
But not the Commander in Chief from the bench?
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Cvonvorys
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09-02-14 08:11 PM - Post#172512
In response to PhillyPantsAC
Looks like Jackson Donahue, Collin McManus, and Jule Brown also have an Insider Scouting Report on ESPN. Can you share those as well?
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PhillyPantsAC
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09-03-14 01:24 PM - Post#172543
In response to Cvonvorys
Jackson Donahue - ESPN 65
Strengths:
Donahue is a big time shot-maker who has deep range and the ability to make tough shots in bunches once he gets going. He owns the swagger that all elite level shooters possess and so he can also be a threat to make contested shots in late clock situations. He's capable of stopping to fire quick in transition, coming off screens or making mid-range pull-ups alike and has also improved his ability to come off a secondary pick and roll as well as attack a bad close-out. He's tough and competitive as well as a great teammate.
Weaknesses:
He's slightly undersized for a two-guard and not a naturally explosive athlete. He's not going to blow by anyone off a live dribble or play above the rim and is also vulnerable to occasion match-ups with bigger, stronger, and more athletic guards. Shot selection was a problem early in his career, but he's made great strides in that area since arriving at Northfield Mount Hermon.
Bottom Line:
Donahue is a big time shot-maker who has improved by leaps and bounds within the last year. His recruitment was on the verge of blowing up until Penn scored an early commitment from him in the spring of 2014.
Collin McManus - ESPN 63
Strengths:
He's a true center and a late blooming one at that-meaning he's made significant strides late in his high school career and seems to be turning the corner at just the right time. He owns good size, a big frame, and is an excellent post defender. He understands high-low basketball, has good hands, and knows how to seal to score. He's worked hard to improve his body, has a high release inside the lane, and can score with both hands around the rim.
Weaknesses:
Mobility and athleticism are his two biggest challenges. He tends to run the floor in correlation to his confidence and can lag behind a high speed game. He's very limited outside of five feet from the rim, on both ends of the floor. Offensively, he'll rarely be a scoring threat beyond that range while defensively his lack of mobility is a major obstacle.
Bottom Line:
He'll never be a natural athlete but he's got clear tools and a proven learning curve and so it wouldn't be a surprise to see him develop into a very solid center in the Ivy League.
Jule Brown - ESPN 60
Strengths:
Brown is a long, mobile, and fluid combo-forward who can play and defend multiple positions. He's a true mismatch problem at either forward position. He moves, covers the court, and handles the ball like a true wing, allowing him to make plays off the bounce against less mobile four-men, but he also came up the ranks playing inside-out and is still plenty capable of taking advantage of equal or smaller defenders around the rim. He's a good mid-range shooter and now a capable threat out to the three-point line. He plays bigger than his listed size as a rebounder and interior defender but is equally capable of sliding his feet on the perimeter.
Weaknesses:
His offensive game is still far more efficient from inside of 12-15 feet. While he can make open threes on occasion, he'll also mix in his fair share of bad misses, even with room and rhythm. He also has a tendency to try to do too much off the dribble, which can lead to unnecessary turnovers, and most learn to be more efficient with his bounces.
Bottom Line:
He's a mobile and versatile combo-forward who has continued to improve his game and expand his skill set throughout each of his years on the high school and grassroots circuits.
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13otto
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09-03-14 02:09 PM - Post#172547
In response to PhillyPantsAC
Thanks AC!
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Charlie Fog
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09-03-14 02:27 PM - Post#172548
In response to 13otto
Otto, can you link the Krug steal and dunk? I never get tired of that one.
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DM06
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09-03-14 02:39 PM - Post#172549
In response to PhillyPantsAC
PhillyPantsAC always brings the goods.
Putting aside the merits of ESPN's rankings, Silpe is our first three-star recruit since ESPN revamped its ranking system a few years back.
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SteveChop
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Re: Jule Brown 09-03-14 03:23 PM - Post#172550
In response to PhillyPantsAC
The fact that Jule will be playing for Coach Greg Downer at Lower Merion this year can only help him to develop. Lower Merion plays excellent fundamental basketball (including DEFENSE) under Coach Downer who has been very successful at Lower Merion (even, or maybe especially, in the 18 years since he had Kobe).
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Silver Maple
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09-03-14 03:51 PM - Post#172555
In response to 13otto
These sound like three players whom a smart, competent, well-run, well-organized coaching staff could build a very strong Ivy team around.
I wish we had that coaching staff.
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13otto
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09-03-14 05:49 PM - Post#172560
In response to Charlie Fog
Here you go, Charlie:
http://letsgoquakers.com/01281995PrincetonatPe nn.mpg
Might even make that one my Avatar, as it probably is time for a change.
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13otto
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09-03-14 06:05 PM - Post#172561
In response to Silver Maple
These sound like three players whom a smart, competent, well-run, well-organized coaching staff could build a very strong Ivy team around.
I wish we had that coaching staff.
I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy, so I'm hopeful that maybe (just maybe) we have a coaching staff that can parlay that class with another recruiting class of three more similarly talented players at their respective positions. Good recruiting just might trump inexperienced coaching. And if the staff puts together a couple more similarly talented recruiting classes, you might just find that the staff isn't so inexperienced any more. Only time will tell....
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palestra38
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09-04-14 09:36 AM - Post#172565
In response to 13otto
Gotta love you Otto. As you know, I am as much of a "glass half full guy" as anyone, or so I thought. I predicted that we would compete for the title in 2012 and thought that we had the talent to make a very good showing last year. But after last year's disaster, and the subsequent graduation and/or expulsion of more than half the team and over 60% of the minutes, this is a situation where there are a couple of drops in the glass.
You win for most optimistic Penn fan.
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10Q
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09-04-14 05:45 PM - Post#172580
In response to palestra38
I'm calling for an 11 seed right now.
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Chuck
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09-13-14 04:49 PM - Post#172845
In response to 13otto
On that schedule you're talking about finding out if the coaching staff is any good in 3 or 4 years. Lord help us if we have to wait that long to figure out what to do with JA.
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