Cvonvorys
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11-19-14 04:12 PM - Post#175915
Based on the first 2 games, this is what I'd like to see:
1) Woods
2) Hicks
3) S. Jones
4) Auger
5) DNH
We'll be up by 10 before the first media time-out...
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penn nation
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-19-14 04:21 PM - Post#175917
In response to Cvonvorys
On offense, no question that it gives us the best scoring opportunities.
Fouling and defense is another question, although I'd be hard pressed to ID any Penn starting 5 that would be up to the task on those items.
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tguru
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-19-14 10:58 PM - Post#175947
In response to Cvonvorys
Agreed, or maybe Louis or Howard(put away the launch) with Auger off the bench.He needs to arrive at a lineup sooner than he did last year to have success. Hicks absolutely #2. DNH is what it is. Let's quit with the concussion/hip/ conditioning excuse and take what you can get. He actually had a few results against Rider and some of you guys killed him.
Edited by tguru on 11-19-14 11:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Buckeye Quake
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 12:23 PM - Post#175986
In response to Cvonvorys
What has Nelson-Henry done to merit starting? It's not as though he's some sort of presence that has to be out there. I'd rather start Louis. At least he'll get some effort rebounds.
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palestra38
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 12:55 PM - Post#175989
In response to Buckeye Quake
PP---DNH got into foul trouble and isn't in the kind of shape we'd like him to be in. But he rebounds as well as Louis and has an offensive game(although his foul shooting has been horrendous so far). Indeed, two words come to mind after watching Louis the first two games.
Abe Okorududu
Built like Superman, No offensive game at all. I really thought we would see more when he was healthy.
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QHoops
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 01:04 PM - Post#175990
In response to palestra38
Given this team's needs, it's not like it's important, but who knew Greg Louis had enough of a handle to help bring the ball up when faced with token pressure.
He did so several times in the DSU game. I would have not put him high on the big-guys-who-can-dribble- a-little-bit list.
Unfortunately, that is more trivia than actual value to this team.
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penn nation
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 01:09 PM - Post#175991
In response to palestra38
Abe wasn't particularly athletic and had horrible hands.
At least on the athleticism, there's no comparison between him and Louis.
I'm just trying to imagine Abe dribbling the ball up against pressure and it aint pretty.
Edited by penn nation on 11-20-14 01:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 01:29 PM - Post#175994
In response to penn nation
I'm just trying to imagine Abe dribbling the ball up against pressure and it aint pretty.
And Jeff Riebel made Abe look like Pete Maravich.
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palestra38
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 01:29 PM - Post#175995
In response to penn nation
Where did I say Abe was athletic? I said he looked like Superman. He was ripped, but had no game. Louis looks like a deer in the headlights on offense. Hasn't been that great on defense either, although better than on offense. Has not impressed so far, which is very disappointing.
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gopenngo
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 02:38 PM - Post#176003
In response to palestra38
Against Rider Greg had two nice 15-18 ft face up jumpers. He squared and drained them. He used to have 3 pt range, too.
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fdiapmf
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11-20-14 02:41 PM - Post#176004
In response to gopenngo
There's going to be plenty of playing time for both.
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palestra38
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 02:52 PM - Post#176005
In response to gopenngo
They were Henry Brooks jumpers. I got killed here when suggesting that having a decent midrange jumper was an offensive plus. What really bothered me about Greg was that he had no offensive game around the basket, which is really what we need from him. He also is slow reacting to moves on defense. Now I hope he's just rusty, but I haven't seen much to suggest that he is a contributing starter to a decent team. Prove me wrong, and I'll be happy. But (this was the point), I think DNH has much more upside.
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TheLine
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11-20-14 04:38 PM - Post#176016
In response to fdiapmf
There's going to be plenty of playing time for both.
True, that. It's not like there's a big fight going on for minutes this year.
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fdiapmf
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11-20-14 05:17 PM - Post#176019
In response to TheLine
Exactly, I know it brings back memories of the good old days when people were clamoring for more Duane king playing time, but we don't have to expend out energy on a DNH Louis starting debate.. If anything, it will be for the freshmen getting more time if they show promise.
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section110
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 05:22 PM - Post#176021
In response to palestra38
I agree with your take on a good mid=range jumper, especially from an essentially inside player. Also agree that DNH has the higher upside. That said, I thought Greg did a quite good defensive job on the Delaware St. center late in the second half & the OT. But let's hope it is rust & he shows some inside moves and is much less tentative. He is going to get minutes no matter what. With D. Jones out for undisclosed reasons we are left with only three inside players--Dwyer being not at all ready to play at this time.
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Buckeye Quake
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11-20-14 05:45 PM - Post#176025
In response to section110
Call me crazy (yeah like that's never happened) but I just don't get the Nelson-Henry upside talk. He's a junior now for goodness sakes. When's all that upside gonna turn into real live production? As Peggy Lee once asked "Is that all there is"? I know I'm in the minority but I think the answer is yes. And please no injury excuses. We just went through this with Bernardini didn't we?
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fdiapmf
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Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 05:58 PM - Post#176027
In response to Buckeye Quake
The guys 6'10 and I forgot what game it was last year maybe nova, but he finished decently from inside. He's not jamil okafor, but he's the best we got. I understand what you're saying, I think the posters just want something to be optimistic about.
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palestra38
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11-20-14 06:08 PM - Post#176029
In response to Buckeye Quake
Bernardini was a real player---got over 1000 points despite missing almost 2 seasons and was a key member of a 20 win Penn team I agree that DNH hasn't shown anything like that, but DNH has managed to score over 20 a bunch of times, get over 10 rebounds and against Temple last year (right before his concussion), was the best player on the court. So forgive us if we see flashes of a very good player and think that that is possible. With Louis, we haven't seen any flashes yet, so I don't see how you can claim him to be possibly the better player. I agree that we are so terrible that we have to give him a chance, but he looks extremely tentative out there. He needs to start throwing people around.
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Buckeye Quake
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Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 07:41 PM - Post#176037
In response to palestra38
Never said Louis was the better player P38. Just said I'd rather see him at this point because at least he can give you an honest effort. If I'm to believe those who think Nelson-Henry's problem is an injury or just plain being out of shape, then why not go with the guy who at least is healthy? That being said, I hope he makes me eat my words because if he isn't able to perform at a decent level at some point this season, things are gonna get a lot uglier.
Edited by Penn pal on 11-20-14 07:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Starting Line-Up v Lafayette 11-20-14 08:15 PM - Post#176038
In response to Buckeye Quake
We're at a point where it is pretty easy to come up with reasons why guys shouldn't play. However, somebody has to play, and I think it is abundantly clear that Hicks and DNH are our best offensive players. That's true even if DNH never becomes the beast P38 thinks he's seen flashes of.
I don't know enough of the offense to be sure, but Louis at the very least has the ability to look like he's in the wrong spots a lot of the time -- and the bench's reaction often suggests this is the case.
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