gopenngo
Masters Student
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Reg: 01-30-06
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01-23-15 09:35 PM - Post#180220
As of tonight, CBS has St Joe’s as a 3.5 pt favorite for tomorrow’s game. That’s it - just 3.5, and note the decimal.
I’ve been convinced for two months now that Penn has enough talent to beat just about anybody on the schedule (except Vandy and Nova, and perhaps Harvard). Apparently the odds makers think Penn has enough talent to challenge St Joe’s (unless they haven’t yet realized that it’s actually a home game for the Hawks more so than for the Quakers). And it is a winnable game for us, if we can limit Bembry, the A-10’s best player.
Matt Howard, do you have it in you? Can you stay in Bembry’s shorts and stay out of foul trouble? If he’s guarding you, can you take it to the tin anyway? Get to the line? Drive and dish? Matt, you’re the only one on the team capable of stopping Bembry.
The Palestra is not a Hawk house. Show them. The Hawk must die.
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Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts: 586
Age: 55
Loc: Philly
Reg: 11-12-13
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01-24-15 08:56 AM - Post#180230
In response to gopenngo
I'm not surprised with that line. This is not a very good st joes team.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-24-15 09:07 AM - Post#180231
In response to Charlie Fog
I still want to know why Hicks was benched. The failure to have any discussion of this here or in the DP is unfathomable to me. What is the state of mind of our best player?
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Penn7277
PhD Student
Posts: 1365
Loc: Lancaster, PA
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-24-15 09:29 AM - Post#180232
In response to palestra38
Well, he wasn't having a really good game. The whole starting team except for Howard was benched at the beginning of the second half.
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palestra38
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
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01-24-15 11:10 AM - Post#180235
In response to Penn7277
Hicks sat the last 12 minutes---and stayed glued to the bench even when Penn got within 10 and was desperate for offense while everyone else came back in. There is, as usual, an undisclosed side story that is being kept in-house. And Jerome has apparently intimidated the DP reporters to such an extent that they won't ask the obvious question.
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gopenngo
Masters Student
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Reg: 01-30-06
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01-24-15 11:15 AM - Post#180236
In response to palestra38
I wonder if Martelli will bench Bembry at the end of the game if St Joe's is losing and the entire team is playing lousy.
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palestra38
Professor
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01-24-15 11:39 AM - Post#180237
In response to gopenngo
That isn't what happened---he was benched for most of the second half, and was not put back in even when Penn made a run, got within 10 and had no one on the court who could create offense.
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gopenngo
Masters Student
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Reg: 01-30-06
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01-24-15 12:09 PM - Post#180238
In response to palestra38
I know. Just pointing out the difference in coaching. Never mind that Phil would have explained exactly why he did it.
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jadwin
Sophomore
Posts: 191
Age: 74
Reg: 01-14-15
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01-24-15 12:28 PM - Post#180240
In response to Penn7277
Hicks has a considerable amount of pure talent; clearly one of the best in the Ivy League but he plays out of control -- watch a replay of the first half against Monmouth. After all, he is a junior and it is time that he gets it together. Is it Hicks or is it the coach? Coach Allen is probably trying to send him a message with the benching. Time to get it together.
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Quakers03
Professor
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Reg: 12-07-04
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01-24-15 12:55 PM - Post#180241
In response to jadwin
The time to get it together was the last 2 years. Just another mark against the coach. You can count on one hand the number of players that have improved under him.
And as far as the intimidation of DP staff, I have to wonder if that isn't true. It very much seems to be Jerome's show and anyone who doesn't like it can go you know what.
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Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
Posts: 1601
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-24-15 01:10 PM - Post#180243
In response to Quakers03
It's called bunker mentality. I always thought something like that was reserved for coaches/programs that have actually won something though. It's clearly another indication that this coach hasn't a clue.
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TheLine
Professor
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Age: 60
Reg: 07-07-09
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01-24-15 03:55 PM - Post#180256
In response to Buckeye Quake
I disagree that this team has enough talent to beat most teams on the schedule. I'll admit to not watching much this year - I just can't bear it - but I'm not seeing a ton of talent out there.
I like Auger and Woods. Auger is exactly as advertised, and in today's world of over-hyped recruiting that is a high complement. Woods brings an intriguing set of skills, athleticism and attitude. The sky's the limit with him. Both sometimes do Freshman things but that's expected.
Either Allen doesn't know what to do with Hicks or Hicks isn't getting what Allen wants him to do. Maybe both. Sometimes Hicks is playing instinctively, sometimes he's far too tentative. I think Allen has to let the instinctive Hicks play. It'll mean more turnovers and sometimes out of control play but the tentative Hicks just isn't working. Let Hicks be Hicks. It isn't going to cost this team the Ivy title for goodness sake.
Allen is not capable of coaching up the athletic types on the roster who need growth in court awareness. Louis, Howard and Jones are not improving. Brooks didn't either.
DNH is DNH. The issue isn't that he's out of shape, he actually looks in far better shape than he did in high school. What you see is what you get.
The game's moving a tick too fast for Foreman. He has good court awareness and has flashes of good play but then gets schooled too often. Maybe it'll click at some point.
Haven't seen enough of anyone else to say anything about them.
All in all there's not enough talent and no expectation that the coaching staff can move these pieces in the right direction.
Give the points tonight. Line looks way out of whack.
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LocusBB
Sophomore
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Age: 52
Reg: 07-27-13
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01-24-15 06:13 PM - Post#180278
In response to TheLine
Howard not improving?
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penn nation
Professor
Posts: 21193
Reg: 12-02-04
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01-24-15 07:28 PM - Post#180291
In response to Quakers03
And as far as the intimidation of DP staff, I have to wonder if that isn't true. It very much seems to be Jerome's show and anyone who doesn't like it can go you know what.
Agreed. The list of items continues to grow. Like no reporting of DNH's injury during the summer, let alone the type he had. The comments above about Hicks. JA's total misuse of Sam Jones after he experienced some early season success. And, of course, any discussion at all about Jerome's contract.
They might as well shut down the DP if it isn't going to do any actual reporting.
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Quakers03
Professor
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01-24-15 10:14 PM - Post#180298
In response to penn nation
No comments at all?!?! For a big 5 game? Wow.
Well, we won. Tried to give it away at the line but it's a win. First big 5 win in who knows how long. Sorry I missed it in person.
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penn nation
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01-24-15 10:17 PM - Post#180299
In response to Quakers03
A win is a win. Once again, we only win when our opponents cannot shoot.
This time it was 34% from the field, and that's including Bembry, who was very impressive. Without him they were 10 for 37 and 2 for 15 from long distance.
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jadwin
Sophomore
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Age: 74
Reg: 01-14-15
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01-24-15 10:20 PM - Post#180300
In response to Quakers03
Penn played hard and fought to the end. Hicks and Louis came thru when it counted for a change. Maybe, the benching of Hicks in the Monmouth game turned out to be a good thing. Time will tell.
Dartmouth and Harvard next weekend. Who shows up to play?
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GIQUAKER
Junior
Posts: 211
Reg: 02-27-06
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01-24-15 10:22 PM - Post#180301
In response to penn nation
First game I watched all year. I looked at the box score and the low shooting percentage of St Joes as compared to Penn was the most glaring difference in the stats. A great win though! I am happy for this team.
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Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
Posts: 1601
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-24-15 10:24 PM - Post#180302
In response to Quakers03
Nice to see Greg Louis finally have a game like we've been waiting for. Let's see if he can carry this into the league. If we make foul shots we win this game going away. But that's an all too familiar refrain. I also would have like to see a guard other than Tony get involved on offense. I don't think Howard took shot in the second half.
Not a very well coached game on Martelli's part in my opinion. Still don't understand why he kept Baumann on the bench for so long while DNH pretty much had his way. I don't think he was in foul trouble and he was a decent presence in the middle.
But hey we won a friggin Big Five game. Drink a high ball folks.
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penn nation
Professor
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01-24-15 10:26 PM - Post#180303
In response to jadwin
Hicks was explosive in spurts yet still managed to play under control. Hard to believe he only got credit for one assist--made numerous great passes.
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