seas2k4
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02-19-15 01:00 PM - Post#182810
In response to Quakers03
Any other guys at the Big 5 schools that could come on board?
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SomeGuy
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02-19-15 02:45 PM - Post#182822
In response to gopenngo
I wonder how much name recognition matters these days. The recruiting process is so advanced at this point that kids we would be trying to get to commit in the short term may already have had contact with a lot of the lesser "names" we're talking about. I'm not sure that a guy walking in off the TV beats that groundwork. Probably depends on the family.
We already know that a guy walking off the TV and talking to your mom at the super market doesn't work.
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SomeGuy
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02-19-15 02:47 PM - Post#182823
In response to gopenngo
On Gaudio, I wonder what the real story is. This is a guy who seemingly handled a big program well during a very difficult time. Odd they fired him, and odd that he hasn't been hired by someone else. He might be a fine hire, but I'd want to be sure we did our due diligence.
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PennFan10
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02-19-15 08:21 PM - Post#182834
In response to SomeGuy
Here is a link to an article where Grace Calhoun is interviewed last fall.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pretzel/ New-Pen...
There is specific talk the basketball program and Jerome's status in the middle of the article. Here is a clip:
Q:You talked about getting the men's basketball program back to health, and I'm sure you have been asked about that many times by many people. What do you think it's going to take?
GC:I can assure you it has been the most common question. What I can say at this early stage is I've been very pleased with the partnership that I feel I've been able to create with head coach Jerome Allen. I sat him down from the first conversation and said that both he knows and I know that at the end of the season, both of us will be heavily judged on how successful men's basketball was this year.
I plan to do everything in my power to partner with him to help him be successful. And then, you know, ultimately it's going to rest on his shoulders to see what happens.
Certainly, from that press conference forward, I have been clear that we are doing what we can to give Jerome a fair chance to show that he can be a successful leader of that program. And just looking at all the things we do surrounding the program to help Jerome and the rest of the staff.
I've heard a lot about attendance and what are we doing to really work with student groups and the campus at large, because we know that when there's a great home court advantage, it helps a team be successful. What are we doing to brand and image our programs to generate more visibility and more interest in the community, what are all the things we're doing around the program, again, to help the program be successful?
I want to look back at the end of the year and feel like we did everything we could to position our program to be successful, and then ultimately it's on them to do just that.
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PennFan10
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02-19-15 10:02 PM - Post#182845
In response to PennFan10
It should also be noted that Calhoun fired the Loyola basketball coach with 1 year left on his contract just weeks after she took the Loyola job. In her first 3 years at Loyola she replaced all but 2 Division 1 head coaches at Loyola. That's not necessarily a good fact, but it is a fact. She doesn't appear to be shy about replacing coaches. At Loyola, she hired an experienced HC, Porter Moser and took the school from the Horizon league into the Missouri Valley Conference. She definitely made some moves to leave her mark on that program.
I would be surprised if there is not a coaching change at Penn.
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QuakerShaker
Freshman
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02-19-15 10:28 PM - Post#182846
In response to mrjames
How do we know the details of Allen's contract? Is this printed anywhere? Everyone seems to know and I'm just wondering how.
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20Penn14
Senior
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02-20-15 10:11 AM - Post#182866
In response to QuakerShaker
I know this is a stretch, but what about Avery Johnson. His daughter is a manager on the Men's team, so he does have a Penn connection. Though this is probably way below his pay level
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gopenngo
Masters Student
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02-20-15 10:58 AM - Post#182869
In response to 20Penn14
Excellent! That's what will get us excited about Penn basketball again. Stretches are welcome here.
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mrjames
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02-20-15 12:23 PM - Post#182876
In response to QuakerShaker
I don't know that it has been publicly reported in a news story or anything, but it is the case that there are two seasons left after this one.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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02-20-15 02:12 PM - Post#182895
In response to mrjames
I don't know that it has been publicly reported in a news story or anything, but it is the case that there are two seasons left after this one.
How then do you know that this is the case? Not doubting you, I'm genuinely curious about the source of this information.
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mrjames
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02-20-15 03:07 PM - Post#182900
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
I've been around the league a while, so this sort of info often gets widely known privately among other people who have been around the league a while before it gets reported publicly. Usually, it's not necessarily because it's a big secret that people are trying to hide, but rather that the story falls through the cracks of being important enough for a big paper to chase and report and being easy enough to nail down for a college paper.
Though, I look forward to the day in the future when details about Penn's coaching situation are considered news that warrants mention in Philly newspapers.
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penn nation
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02-20-15 03:12 PM - Post#182901
In response to mrjames
Though, I look forward to the day in the future when details about Penn's coaching situation are considered news that warrants mention in Philly newspapers.
Or even much lower hanging fruit like the campus daily.
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Quakers03
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02-20-15 04:19 PM - Post#182905
In response to penn nation
Bagnoli was front page news so I don't think that's the issue. There are plenty of reporters I respect who cover the team and yet none have told the story. I'd love to know why that is. I've heard Jerome can be vindictive but what exactly would a reporter be losing? They don't get any access anyway...
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TheLine
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New Coach?
02-20-15 06:11 PM - Post#182918
In response to Quakers03
The part that gets me is that we learn about the Allen extension from a guy from Harvard. No offense meant at all, Mike - we love you and all, but it means the news is out there though due to WH arrogance or whatever it is not worthy to be shared with the unwashed masses.
I'd still be willing to look past the information firewall except the team hasn't played well for years and there aren't enough bright spots to get me excited about the future.
Edited by TheLine on 02-20-15 06:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mrjames
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Re: New Coach?
02-21-15 05:20 PM - Post#183048
In response to TheLine
HA! I just can't seem to shake that "guy from Harvard" label.
I only know what I know about Penn's situation because I'm fascinated by what's going on here. At my core, I love predicting the future, so I become obsessed with buy low, sell high opportunities. I was convinced that Harvard could become a very good program with the right person to sell the lifetime opportunity that it presented. I was convinced the Ivy League didn't have to spend the future mired among the bottom 10 conferences in college basketball. And now I'm convinced that the right hire could turn Penn from a Bottom 100 team to a Top 100 team in as little as three years. (Doesn't hurt that Penn rising would further bolster my previous prediction that the league would rise).
Once Grace said that strange comment about Allen's contract length, I decided to dig in and figure things out. It's my nightmare that Penn is stuck with Jerome beyond this season, so I had to know what was going on.
Normally, I wouldn't go digging around for information I don't care about.
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fdiapmf
Masters Student
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02-24-15 06:32 AM - Post#183443
In response to mrjames
As an aside, there are some great Kerr anecdotes in there. That's the type of coach we need.
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/20/golden -state-warr...
Kerr always planned on coaching, but it wasn’t until two years ago, while working as a broadcaster for TNT, that he says he began preparing in earnest. That summer he attended a sports leadership conference at the Aspen Institute in Colorado and ran into Jeff Van Gundy, whose work Kerr admired. Van Gundy told Kerr what he tells all aspiring coaches: Write down everything. Everything you’ve learned, everything you want to do. Everything you’d change. It’ll organize your thoughts. Develop your philosophy......
Kerr began collecting plays too, pausing games on the flat-screen at his San Diego home whenever he saw an action he liked – a backdoor lob off an inbounds or a particularly potent flare screen. Then he’d shoot an email to Kelly Peters, a friend and coach at nearby Torrey Pines High (and now a Warriors advance scout). Peters pulled the footage and compiled it using iMovie. Week by week, Kerr’s file – named ATOs, for ‘After Timeouts†– grew.
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penn62
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02-24-15 05:46 PM - Post#183529
In response to fdiapmf
Has anyone here considered Jim Engles, the NJIT Coach. He's done a good job there, has a Penn connection and apparently is very popular at the school.
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penn nation
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02-24-15 07:08 PM - Post#183540
In response to penn62
Has anyone here considered Jim Engles, the NJIT Coach. He's done a good job there, has a Penn connection and apparently is very popular at the school.
Hey, we can actually offer him a conference to play in. That oughta do it right there.
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gopenngo
Masters Student
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02-24-15 09:17 PM - Post#183554
In response to penn nation
Will work for conference affiliation?
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seas2k4
Junior
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Reg: 11-21-04
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02-24-15 09:54 PM - Post#183568
In response to penn nation
I know it's an impossibly tough job, but Engles is 81-122. And his Penn connection is pretty tangential.
Big week coming up for Coaches Toole and Langel both.
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