mrjames
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10-11-15 09:38 AM - Post#193032
Every year, I run a poll that I release right before the Ivy media teleconference (and the release of their Ivy Media Poll).
This year I will be doing the same. Now that we're through the usual "surprise person dropped out of school to preserve eligibility" phase of the season, you can feel free to update your predictions accordingly.
In order to be counted in the Fan Poll, you must rank all teams 1-8 (no groups or ties). You can also participate in the preseason POY, ROY and 1st Team voting.
The results will be released on Twitter probably on Tuesday the 20th or the morning of Wednesday the 21st right before the teleconference.
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iabhoops88
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-12-15 12:49 PM - Post#193047
In response to mrjames
1. Princeton
2. Columbia
3. Yale
4. Harvard
5. Brown
6. Penn
7. Dartmouth
8. Cornell
POY - Lo. Rest of 1st All- Sears, Rosenberg, Bell, Miles Wright. ROY - Corey Johnson
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digamma
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10-12-15 12:50 PM - Post#193048
In response to mrjames
1. Princeton
2. Columbia
3. Yale
4. Harvard
5. Dartmouth
6. Cornell
7. Brown
8. Penn
Sears, POY
C.Johnson, ROY
Sears
Weisz
Lo
Rosenberg
Mason
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grad84
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10-12-15 02:48 PM - Post#193058
In response to digamma
1. Columbia
2. Princeton
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Dartmouth
6. Penn
7. Brown
8. Cornell
POY: Lo
ROY: Corey Johnson
1st Team: Lo, Rosenberg, Edosomwan, Sears and Bell
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Columbia Alum
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10-13-15 09:12 AM - Post#193089
In response to grad84
With estimated kenpom ranks at end of the season:
1. Columbia 85
2. Princeton 105
3. Penn 170
4. Yale 180
5. Harvard 200
6. Dartmouth 240
7. Cornell 275
8. Brown 300
POY: Lo
ROY: Alex Copeland
1st Team: Lo, Rosenberg, Sears, Hicks, Brase, C. Miller.
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palestra38
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10-13-15 10:43 AM - Post#193094
In response to Columbia Alum
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
Harvard
Penn
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell.
But just about any of these teams could surprise this year--they all have holes.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-13-15 12:09 PM - Post#193111
In response to mrjames
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Harvard
Dartmouth
Penn
Brown
Cornell
POY: Sears
ROY: McCarthy
1st team: Sears, Lo, Weisz, Rosenberg, Wright
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OneIvyOne
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10-13-15 12:52 PM - Post#193119
In response to SomeGuy
Princeton
Columbia
Harvard
Yale
Penn
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
POY: Sears
ROY: Cannady
Sears, Lo, Weisz, Kukamensah, Rosenburg
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Kit
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Loc: Central Massachusetts
Reg: 11-29-04
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10-13-15 06:18 PM - Post#193165
In response to OneIvyOne
1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. Columbia
5. Dartmouth
6. Pennsylvania
7. Brown
8. Cornell
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TigerFan
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-13-15 11:02 PM - Post#193175
In response to mrjames
Princeton
Yale
Harvard
Columbia
Penn
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
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Old Bear
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10-14-15 02:23 PM - Post#193206
In response to TigerFan
1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. tie Columbia
4. tie Brown
6. Penn
7. Dartmouth
8. Cornell
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Chet Forte
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10-14-15 04:52 PM - Post#193216
In response to Old Bear
1. Columbia
2. Penn
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Yale
6. Dartmouth
7. Brown
8. Cornell
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Chet Forte
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10-14-15 04:56 PM - Post#193217
In response to Chet Forte
POY Lo
1st team All Ivy Lo, Sears, Rosenberg, Braase, Hicks
ROY Meissner
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jadwin
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-14-15 07:24 PM - Post#193220
In response to mrjames
1.Columbia
2.Princeton
3.Yale
4.Harvard
5.Dartmouth
6.Penn
7.Brown
8.Cornell
If either Rosenberg and/or Mullins are injured, Columbia may drop to 4th as Lo will not be able to carry the team on his back to an Ivy League title.
POY - Sears
ROY - Johnson
1st Team -- Sears, Lo, Cook, Brase, Wright
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H78
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-15-15 01:39 AM - Post#193233
In response to mrjames
1. Princeton--Returns 80% of last year's minutes
2. Harvard--Underestimated yet again. First time winner of #2BidIvy contest.
3. Yale--Will Boolah-Bully their way into 1st division again. Be shunned again by NIT.
4. Columbia--Much promise, but will break hearts of Polyanna fans yet again with late-season swoon.
5. Dartmouth--Potential to rise to 1st division if Lions really swoon late.
6. Penn--The "Steve Effect." And their games will be the most fun Ivy games to watch, as SD really releases Tony "Wild Thing" Hicks.
7. Brown--Everyone's gotten better faster.
8. Cornell--Not as good as Brown.
Sears, POY
C. Johnson, ROY
Sears
Lo
Wright
Kuakumensah--So there, Old Bear…
Weisz
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igetzbuckets
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-15-15 07:41 AM - Post#193235
In response to mrjames
Quick observations of this season.
Harvard- lost its heart and soul this coming year. Saunders and Chambers. Saunders cannot be replaced,
McCarthy will have to mature quickly at an important role for Harvard to have any success like they have the last 8 years.
Yale- also lost 2 or more vital cogs in the machine. Sears will be his dominant self of course and Mason will have to at least repeat his success from last year. Copeland will have to play well and get minutes.
Princeton- Return a ton. Played very well at end of year, I truly believe they will dominate this year an their schedule will help as their most difficult games come Friday rather then the ill fated Saturdays on Ivy grind.
Dartmouth- Lost 100 minutes of starters, that being said, they still have the most experienced team an probably the best game coach. If they find scoring with Boudreaux and co. they will be a tough out for every team sans Princeton.
Columbia- If Rosenburg returns to his Jr. year prowess, other teams will have to step up and score. Lo is best in league and another scoring options frees him up quite a bit. Castlin has another year under his belt and should add some real spark. Now if only they can find some defense they might contend.
Cornell- Loss of Miller and Cherry is devastating, I find little hope they can beat being in the cellar unless Brown is even worse then I think they are. Wright and Davis will have to step up huge in their 1sr year.
Brown- I had them in my min as last place earlier this year but Cornell is so woeful they should come in 7th. Hopefully for them Fuller is better then advertised.
Penn- They have some talent on this team and could surprise if their heads are into it. If Donahue tries to play for the future it will be a bleak year this year.If Hicks can play to his all-star potential and Woods and Howard improve upon what were already decent years this team could surprise. I still think DNH is way overrated and slows this team down when they could really heat up if left to run.
Rankings for 2015/2016 to follow.
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igetzbuckets
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-15-15 07:52 AM - Post#193237
In response to igetzbuckets
1- Princeton
2- Dartmouth
3- Yale
4- Columbia
5- Penn
6- Harvard
7- Brown
8- Cornell
POY- LO
1st team
Sears
Rosenburg
Bell
Hicks
Brase
2nd team (and my defensive team)
Kuakumensah
Gill
Edosomwan
Cresenzi
Mason
Roy
tossup
depending on minutes
McCarthy
Boudreaux
Just think McCarthy and Boudreaux will be called upon to be productive otherwise you can put Cannady with them.
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palestra38
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-15-15 08:52 AM - Post#193240
In response to igetzbuckets
If Hicks is a first team All-Ivy, Penn will do better than 5th. I couldn't make that prediction, so I had them there as well.
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igetzbuckets
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-15-15 09:04 AM - Post#193241
In response to palestra38
If Hicks is a first team All-Ivy, Penn will do better than 5th. I couldn't make that prediction, so I had them there as well.
I don't necessarily disagree. The three teams I have in front of them could go in any order really. Only see Princeton shining through. Dartmouth is my reach team. I'm not completely sold on Columbia. Rosenberg Coming back from a year away is the wild card. Yale is very circumspect. As Harvard , Columbia or Penn could easily fit in there.
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mrjames
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Re: Ivy Fan Poll
10-20-15 10:46 AM - Post#193518
In response to igetzbuckets
Just a reminder... if you haven't voted yet, I'm going to reveal the results later this afternoon, so vote ASAP!
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Chet Forte
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 10-20-15 11:56 AM - Post#193524
In response to mrjames
Based upon what I saw in the last Columbia Princeton game I think Columbia will beat Princeton twice this year. Lo just torched them, and with Rosenberg playing tough inside we should be able to outscore them. We always play Harvard and Yale tough. Our problem seems to be with playing down to the level of teams we should beat and then losing to them.
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palestra38
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10-20-15 11:59 AM - Post#193526
In response to Chet Forte
I'm sure all the Princeton fans will chime in here, but if there is a collection going in on Princeton on this bet, I am in.
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Tiger69
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10-20-15 12:54 PM - Post#193533
In response to palestra38
I'm surprised by all the low expectations for Harvard. Even without Chambers, their deep store of talent has been the envy of the rest of the League. They have a half season to put it all together. Even if they don't ultimately win the Ivy, they can match anyone.
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palestra38
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10-20-15 01:06 PM - Post#193534
In response to Tiger69
Because they are not Kentucky. They may well have a deep store of talent, but they don't have NBA ready talent that can beat upperclassman-dominated teams. Most of us have them in the upper 4 and they certainly can win it (as, in my view, can almost everyone but Cornell or Brown). But losing their best two players, who were 2 of the best 3 players in the League (IMO) will hurt.
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mrjames
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10-20-15 01:33 PM - Post#193540
In response to Tiger69
That's the thing... Harvard's store of talent isn't actually very deep. Amaker's 2012, 2013 and 2014 classes all had some high end talent, but none were particularly deep. He nabbed Siyani, Zena, Chatfield and Egi as guys who had firm offers from multi-bid league schools, but Harvard didn't land much beyond that, especially in 2013 and 2014.
When you look at recruits expected to battle for playing time, Amaker brought in 4 in 2012 and 2 in each of 2013 and 2014. So, when one transfers (Mike Hall) and two more have significant injuries at times (Siyani and Hunter Myers), you get into depth trouble really quickly.
That's what makes the 2016 class so interesting for Amaker. Most of his classes at Harvard were either A) good, deep mid-major classes (2008, 2009, 2012 and 2015) or B) shallow classes with high-end talent (2013, 2014). His 2011 class was the closest thing thus far to a deep class with great top-end talent, and that class went on to make four NCAA appearances. It also papered over the fact that the subsequent three classes weren't nearly at the same level.
Harvard was a bit unlucky for a variety of reasons in losing a handful of guys over the past three years that currently play in multi-bid leagues and would have been key pieces in making another title run this year. Those misses really took all the depth out of the recent Harvard classes.
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1LotteryPick1969
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10-20-15 01:51 PM - Post#193541
In response to mrjames
I am too lazy to type, so I cut and pasted Palestra38, with whom I agree:
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
Harvard
Penn
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell.
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hoopla
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Age: 50
Reg: 08-28-12
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10-20-15 02:26 PM - Post#193543
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Princeton
Columbia
Dartmouth
Yale
Harvard
Brown
Penn
Cornell
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roarlionroar
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10-20-15 03:46 PM - Post#193549
In response to hoopla
Columbia 11-3
Princeton 10-4
Dartmouth 9-5
Yale 9-5
Harvard 8-6
Penn 5-9
Brown 4-10
Cornell 0-14
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mrjames
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10-20-15 04:12 PM - Post#193551
In response to roarlionroar
I posted to @ivybball a little earlier but here are the results:
Unofficial Ivy Fan Poll 1) PRIN 246 (18 1st); 2) YALE 224 (8); 3) COL 213 (7); 4) HAR 187 (1); 5) PENN 121; 6) DAR 109; 7) BRN 83; 8) COR 41
Unofficial Ivy Fan Poll POY & ROY results: POY - 1) Sears (10); 2) Lo (9); ROY - 1) C. Johnson (7); 2) McCarthy (4); 3) Copeland (2)
Unofficial Fan Poll All-Ivy: Sears (17), Lo (16), Rosenberg (12), Weisz (8), Bell (6), Brase (5), CK (5), Zena (4), Wright (4), Hicks (3)
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hoopla
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10-20-15 07:52 PM - Post#193556
In response to mrjames
Boudreaux from Dartmouth might be ROY
And Guilien Smith might be a sleeper for ROY
Can't wait for the season
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Chet Forte
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 10-21-15 10:14 AM - Post#193576
In response to hoopla
Interesting quotes from Brase and Lo in today's Spec about playing for the German national team this summer. My guess is that Lo gets Brase's vote for POY after reading the article. anybody who saw the last Columbia Princeton game would be hard pressed to vote Princeton over Columbia. And anybody who saw the two Columbia Yale games would similarly be hard pressed to vote Yale over Columbia.
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