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Old Bear 
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11-22-15 09:29 PM - Post#195778    

This game didn't do anything to lower Yale's expectations for a title. It did expose last year's POY's limitations against top quality big men. He's not an NBA 5. Does he have the range to be a 4 or 3? He is still the beat inside O in the IL. Mason is pretty damn good.

 
SRP 
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11-22-15 09:39 PM - Post#195780    
    In response to Old Bear

Sears hit a trey with two seconds left, according to the AP article, so maybe he's been working on it. Most surprising is Yale giving up a 50% shooting percentage to SMU and still keeping it close with balanced offense. If they can win more than one way they will be challenging to beat.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-22-15 10:16 PM - Post#195787    
    In response to SRP

With time running out, Justin sort of heaved up a three because the defense sagged off him and was guarding the other options. He banked it in and jumped around happy and surprised.

Don't think Yale will be looking for him to shoot tree's - at least not by design.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-22-15 11:15 PM - Post#195799    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I'm just jumping in so we have Penn represented in this thread along with Brown, Harvard, and Princeton. Let's see if we can get all seven before anyone from Yale comments.

Agreed this was a good showing by Yale. Not sure about their balance though. They'd be in a lot worse shape if it was just Sears on offense, of course. But it really is just Sears and Mason, with some help from Montague and Sherrod. Victor seems to be Yale's Isaac Cohen on offense (only with lower efficiency to go with low usage). And the bench didn't show up at all in the first game, and was pretty quiet against SMU. So depth is my question on Yale.

 
Columbia Alum 
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11-23-15 12:06 AM - Post#195804    
    In response to SomeGuy

Mason and Sears are one intimidating duo, Yale definitely edging out the others as favourites right now.

 
jadwin 
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11-23-15 10:47 AM - Post#195814    
    In response to SomeGuy

Yale has been very impressive thru the first four games of the season especially playing a talented SMU team on their home court. Mason is a really good player with great heart and determination. They have a very balanced starting five with different skill sets and senior leadership. They play very good defense. Yesterday, they seemed to run out of gas after getting a 10pt lead and I agree that their bench is average at best.

Thinking back to last year, they gave Harvard with Saunders and Chambers a tremendous battle. If Sherrod had not taken off a year, they would have been even more formidable. Yale does appear to be the best team in the Ivy League although Columbia should give them a battle and possibly, Princeton although injuries are always a wild card.

It would be nice one of these days that the Ivy teams start winning tough out of conference games more consistently. Harvard with Saunders and Chambers had some recent success as well as Cornell several years ago but good Ivy teams most often fall just short against good competition. Time for some Ivy team to step up out of conference. Yale has Duke coming up, Princeton has Maryland, etc.

 
mountainred 
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11-23-15 05:46 PM - Post#195839    
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  • SomeGuy Said:
I'm just jumping in so we have Penn represented in this thread along with Brown, Harvard, and Princeton. Let's see if we can get all seven before anyone from Yale comments.

Agreed this was a good showing by Yale. Not sure about their balance though. They'd be in a lot worse shape if it was just Sears on offense, of course. But it really is just Sears and Mason, with some help from Montague and Sherrod. Victor seems to be Yale's Isaac Cohen on offense (only with lower efficiency to go with low usage). And the bench didn't show up at all in the first game, and was pretty quiet against SMU. So depth is my question on Yale.



Doing Cornell's part.

Not going to get many shots at an SMU when they hit just one of nine from behind the arc.

Sears and Mason are the bulk of the offense, but is it that much different from last year with Sears and Duren? Mason and Duren's usage numbers look pretty similar to me.


 
SomeGuy 
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11-23-15 06:00 PM - Post#195841    
    In response to mountainred

Yes, so far, Mason appears to more than make up for Duren. My question is who makes up for the missing bench production that Mason (and others) provided last year.

Last year, everybody but Victor had an ORAT over 100. So that's 10 guys playing significant minutes with good ORATs, and 3 more doing it in very limited minutes.

This year, the bench returnees have stepped up to replace the starters, but nobody has stepped up to replace the bench guys. So now there are only 7 guys with ORATs over 100. That's probably still enough to win the league this year. But it reduces the margin for error quite a bit. An injury to a starter now would be a lot more likely to be catastrophic.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-23-15 06:02 PM - Post#195842    
    In response to mountainred

Now we just need hoopla or igetzbuckets to comment, and then we'll have everybody. Except Yale of course.

 
Old Bear 
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11-24-15 03:56 PM - Post#195880    
    In response to SomeGuy

Dartmouth? Foul shooting has hurt Yale. Could be a problem with a short rotation if it keeps up.

 
hoopla 
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11-24-15 07:08 PM - Post#195890    
    In response to Old Bear

Thanks SomeGuy.

I concur that Yale is the real deal. Maybe even better than last year. Mason is terrific.

I'd be on cloud 9 if Dartmouth can hang in the top 4 again this year. I felt this way even before their most recent L at Marist.

I still think Princeton is the winner this year. Then Yale/Columbia.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-24-15 08:39 PM - Post#195895    
    In response to hoopla

With Dartmouth, I can't help but think about what might have been. Boudreaux looks like an immediate star. But they look like a team that is one player who can handle and shoot away from being very good. In other words, a player like Mitola. Without that player, though, they look too flawed to compete for the title. Too bad.

It may just be early, but it seems like Wright might really miss having Mitola there to take some of the perimeter attention away.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-29-15 05:35 PM - Post#196214    
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Maybe Wright doesn't miss Mitola after all.

 
Old Bear 
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11-29-15 06:03 PM - Post#196220    
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Now there you go SGuy. You managed to turn on of the few posts on the Yale Board into a Dartmouth discussion.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-29-15 07:58 PM - Post#196224    
    In response to Old Bear

Well, if Yale doesn't have any fans, this is what they deserve. And a blowout loss to Albany.

 
hoopla 
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11-29-15 07:59 PM - Post#196225    
    In response to SomeGuy

No Sears today at Albany.

Was he sick or something?

 
igetzbuckets 
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11-29-15 08:14 PM - Post#196227    
    In response to hoopla

Well after being called out I will respond. Love Sherrods game. His athleticism has really impressed. Mason's confidence and game has really impressed me as well. I thought Yale might be off given the loss of Dyren but they are much stronger then I suspected. Their bench needs to show up. Big question mark there. Let's see how Jones incorporates them before the Ivy season begins. I had Princeton winning it earlier in the year but the loss of Brase will surely hurt. Btw. Penn is much better then I expected. Losing Hicks hasn't hurt them one bit and DNH is finally playing like all the Penn brethren have thought he should.

 
Old Bear 
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11-29-15 08:21 PM - Post#196228    
    In response to igetzbuckets

I guess you didn't read the Penn board after the Lafayette game.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-29-15 08:56 PM - Post#196230    
    In response to igetzbuckets

How badly Yale hot beat without Sears really emphasizes the bench issue. They could withstand the loss of Duren. They certainly can't lose either Sears or Mason, and they probably can't afforded to lose Sherrod or Montague, either. They're not nearly as deep as last year.

 
Old Bear 
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11-30-15 03:00 PM - Post#196284    
    In response to SomeGuy

It may still be a little early to evaluate Yale's depth.

 
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