Cvonvorys
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02-06-16 11:27 AM - Post#200982
Looks like Penn is a one-point dog tonight vs. Harvard. Also looks like no Zena for Harvard.
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Cvonvorys
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02-06-16 03:43 PM - Post#201005
In response to Cvonvorys
I take that back... Checking out the game on ESPN.com, and they're showing Penn is favored by one...
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13otto
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02-06-16 03:52 PM - Post#201008
In response to Cvonvorys
It's been nearly 7 years (Feb. 21, 2009) since the last time Penn was favored over Harvard.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-06-16 03:56 PM - Post#201009
In response to 13otto
Does ESPN reflect whether Zena or Cummins are playing?
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PennFan10
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02-06-16 08:51 PM - Post#201043
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Cunning playing Zena not dressed. Penn leading at half 27-25.
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Cvonvorys
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02-06-16 09:01 PM - Post#201044
In response to PennFan10
DNH leading the way with 8 points and 6 rebounds...
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penn nation
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02-06-16 09:07 PM - Post#201047
In response to Cvonvorys
We're really going to miss him next year. He has been excellent around the hoop tonight.
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penn nation
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02-06-16 09:24 PM - Post#201050
In response to penn nation
Once again a lot of ticky tack fouls on Penn. Meanwhile Penn getting hammered down the other end with nothing being called.
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penn nation
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02-06-16 09:29 PM - Post#201052
In response to penn nation
JD been setting up way too deep on his last couple of 3 attempts.
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penn nation
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02-06-16 09:33 PM - Post#201053
In response to penn nation
Most interesting thing about the later stages of this game, besides Howard and DNH looking great, is that SD has Foreman running the point and Silpe is on the bench.
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penn nation
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02-06-16 09:41 PM - Post#201054
In response to penn nation
Finally has Jake back in there although not exactly a confidence builder at the FT line.
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penn nation
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02-06-16 09:50 PM - Post#201057
In response to penn nation
We will probably pull it out, but we continue to have problems knowing how to seal a lead.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-06-16 10:01 PM - Post#201059
In response to penn nation
Rothschild had a nice game. 14 points and 10 boards.
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Cvonvorys
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02-06-16 11:28 PM - Post#201070
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Three Penn players tonight with double-doubles (DNH, Matt Howard, & Max R). Anyone know when the last time that happened?
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Quakers03
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02-06-16 11:32 PM - Post#201071
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Silpe was on the bench because of the officials, not Foreman. The spectrum of Darnell Foreman is as great as you'll see. He'll make two of the worst decisions possible and then throw a bullet pass to Rothschild for a layup after getting caught in the air. We will sorely miss DNH but it's really nice to see Max's game develop.
I'm shocked at how mediocre Harvard is without Endoswoman. You can see something in the two freshman and that McCarthy neck takedown of Jackson had been building, but they looked like the 1-5 team they are. Brick after brick leading to an insane rebounding advantage. The turnovers were bad again and having three turnovers while trying to inbound the ball and seal the game is unacceptable, but beating Tommy is very contenting.
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penn nation
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Re: Tonite vs. Harvard
02-06-16 11:38 PM - Post#201073
In response to Quakers03
They should have had Howard or someone with a bit more length and height inbound. The smaller guards were having great difficulty.
Everything was going in tonight for the big men--nice to see. Beats having to rely on the '3' which far more often than not, at least for this squad, is not a winning proposition.
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Buckeye Quake
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Re: Tonite vs. Harvard
02-07-16 12:27 AM - Post#201076
In response to Quakers03
Can I borrow the lens you seem to be looking through that makes you think Silpe is so much better than or any less prone to mistakes than Foreman? Not sure what their comparative numbers were tonight but I would imagine they were similar. While defensively I'd have to give the nod to Foreman.
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Buckeye Quake
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Re: Tonite vs. Harvard
02-07-16 12:37 AM - Post#201078
In response to Buckeye Quake
Just looked at the boxscore and the numbers tonight don't really support my theory. Regardless I still don't believe there's a signifigant difference.
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Quakers03
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02-07-16 12:56 AM - Post#201080
In response to Buckeye Quake
Not sure what I said tonight that was positive about Jake other than he was on the bench in foul trouble and not a coaches decision, but yes I do think Silpe needs to play more than Darnell. The biggest difference between the two is that Jake makes these mistakes with less than 400 minutes under his belt while Darnell has 900. I have to think that the advanced stats support him as well. The assist to turnover ratio this year sure does.
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Cvonvorys
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02-07-16 01:57 AM - Post#201082
In response to Quakers03
Quick question: if I had posted that Chuck Daly visited me in a dream last night and told me that Penn would win by 10 and three Penn players would record double-doubles, you would think I had 1-2 too many Stolis...
Big win tonight!!!!
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Charlie Fog
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02-07-16 08:35 AM - Post#201087
In response to Cvonvorys
Nice weekend sweep. I am looking forward to watching this program develop under Steve D.
Edited by Charlie Fog on 02-07-16 08:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Tonite vs. Harvard
02-07-16 09:58 AM - Post#201092
In response to Charlie Fog
It's showing that there was indeed an opportunity this year had we not lost the players we lost. Certainly, Princeton and Brown were winnable games.
But for the future, I hope it is for the best.
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mbaprof
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02-07-16 10:29 AM - Post#201096
In response to Cvonvorys
Harvard decimated by injuries, good thing Laurent Rivard (who now lives and works in Philly) was sitting behind the bench, otherwise H might have come all the way back on 3 threes when we kept turning the ball over. I was sitting right behind the failed in bounds and I dont understand why we didnt have a bigger guy doing it since Steeves was blocking all paths in for Foreman and Silpe.
But anytime beating Tommy is priceless!
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penn nation
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Re: Tonite vs. Harvard
02-07-16 11:21 AM - Post#201099
In response to palestra38
Certainly, Princeton and Brown were winnable games.
That Princeton loss really looms large--changes the entire complexion of the Ivy race. And Princeton was thoroughly outplayed, not simply a matter of a game being winnable.
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PennFan10
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02-07-16 11:36 AM - Post#201102
In response to mbaprof
The designated inbounder is Max. Donahue had him off the floor because Harvard was fouling and his FT% is below 50. He had to pick his poison. Point guards are supposed to be good passers. It's usually a safe bet to have them inbound the ball.
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Penn7277
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02-07-16 12:11 PM - Post#201107
In response to PennFan10
One solution might be to have Max practice his free throws — a lot!!! Also, it might not be a bad idea to get someone to help him and anyone else who is having such trouble with the fundamentals of the free throw. Having said that I doubt I could make one under pressure to save my life.
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penn nation
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02-07-16 12:14 PM - Post#201108
In response to PennFan10
At some point you have to recognize that your tactics need to change with repeated turnovers.
Going forward you have to figure that Penn opponents will pick up on this, so they should practice this with MH.
Either that, or hope that MR's FT% picks up. If not this year, with hard work, perhaps down the road. Hey, it worked with DNH.
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PennFan10
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02-07-16 12:15 PM - Post#201109
In response to Penn7277
I would bet they are practicing FTs.
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UPIA1968
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02-07-16 09:50 PM - Post#201132
In response to PennFan10
Some things to add. I suspect the increase in turnovers is because Steve is emphasizing the inside passing and penetration more, recognizing that this team is not going to beat anyone from three. They remain 324th in the country in that regard.
Also, I want him to keep playing Silpe over Foreman because Jake is always looking to pass while Darnell tends to put his head down and go to the hole.
This weekend will be very revealing. So far Penn has played even with four of the five Ivy teams. Should they do so at Cornell and Columbia, that would be a major sign of improvement.
As to the Freshmen. Max is really coming on - Jackson had proven that he belongs and Jake is a bit of judgement away from being a very nice young point guard. True, the absence of the two starters in the backcourt last year is giving Jake and, especially Jackson, time, but they are holding their own. As to Max, he has benefited from Auger's injury, but he has outplayed Auger anyway. If this front court freshman next year can play the team will not miss DNH as much as I fear.
One other point. This should be a contending year with DNH, Tony and Howard as upper classmen. The failure to develop this core, and surround it with good role players is Jerome's big failure. In the same way, Miller's failure to maintain the program's emotional strength under the pressure of all those injuries was his undoing. It is not always pure recruiting or game skill that makes a winner.
Finally, We have Auger out, Woods gone and Hicks gone, three players expected to start this year. Either absences are now a normal part of college BB or Penn continues to experience very bad luck. The program is the Joe Btfsplk of NCAAM. For those of you younger than 60, Joe Btfsplk was a cartoon character (Lt'l Abner) from the fifties who walked around with a constant thunderstorm around his head.
In parting - am I the only die hard who is starting to enjoy watching Penn play again?
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Ted
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02-07-16 10:25 PM - Post#201134
In response to UPIA1968
No, you're not the only one. Last night's game was the most enjoyable one I've been to in a loooong time. Still a ways to go, of course, but as far as the overall cohesion of the team, it's like night and day compared to the the previous few years. Slowly but surely, hope is returning. Rothschild has been quite a pleasant surprise, as has Jackson Donahue - and these weren't even Steve's guys. Just a little bit better foul shooting, and we're 4-1 in the Ivies, instead of 2-3. These guys look like they're having fun.
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Buckeye Quake
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02-07-16 10:28 PM - Post#201135
In response to UPIA1968
Did you happen to notice the clutch assists Foreman had to Max down the stretch? Or maybe it's you with your head down. Then again you usually do have a tendency to see what you want to see.
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SRP
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02-07-16 11:52 PM - Post#201137
In response to Buckeye Quake
I saw the second half. It was interesting watching McCarthy and Silpe go head to head, two talented freshmen thrown into the deep end because of personnel surprises. And it was nice to see DNH look good against somebody else for a change. He had the footwork going.
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penn nation
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02-08-16 12:04 AM - Post#201138
In response to SRP
And it was nice to see DNH look good against somebody else for a change. He had the footwork going.
His touch was also outstanding. No missed bunnies.
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PennFan10
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02-08-16 12:11 AM - Post#201139
In response to penn nation
This is a fun team to watch because they play with passion and energy. Nobody told them they are supposed to lose. They go out and compete.
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10Q
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02-08-16 08:37 AM - Post#201147
In response to PennFan10
Glad to hear all this enthusiasm. If this keeps up, I may have to tune back in. Seriously, I hate feeling so blah about my Quakers.
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Penn90
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02-08-16 09:46 AM - Post#201154
In response to UPIA1968
They look much better than when I saw them lose at George Mason. I loved how SD subbed in 5 new players down 8-0 and they responded (of course, the starting 5 is another matter).
I also really liked how DNH got on track in the second half. Silpe looked much more confident. The entire offense, really, had direction. Now they just need to improve the talent level.
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SomeGuy
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02-08-16 03:11 PM - Post#201183
In response to penn nation
it also appeared to me that they were using him differently this weekend. he caught the ball on the move a lot more.
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LocusBB
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02-08-16 11:52 PM - Post#201216
In response to UPIA1968
Just looked at the Stats all the grief about Matt Howard 3 point percentage, now he leads the team. He is clearly the most efficient player on this team. This guy needs more shots and plays run for him.
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