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Username Post: Jack Montague        (Topic#18754)
penn nation 
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Re: Jack Montague
03-06-16 11:03 AM - Post#203589    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Jeff--I hear you but there must be a way to be quietly supportive of your teammate without casting aspersions on the victim (whether alleged or real).

Belatedly, our country is waking up to the tremendous problems of sexual abuse in the country and especially on college campuses. For far too long a significant proportion of women have been victims here, and the institutions that govern our society (including those of the university) have exacerbated this issue and remedies for ameliorating it.

 
SRP 
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03-07-16 11:27 PM - Post#203723    
    In response to penn nation

PN is regurgitating a claim that has been exploded. In fact there is no new epidemic of sexual assault on U.S. women, and college campuses are not more dangerous than anywhere else for women in that demographic. Politically motivated bodies and individuals have been advancing that thesis and made great headway through repetition in convincing many well-meaning people, but the data fall apart upon any kind of critical analysis. There has been a transformation of courtship conventions and an increase in students equating intoxication with relaxation, both of which have increased the ambivalence and confusion around sexual behavior on campus.

 
Jeff2sf 
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03-08-16 08:26 AM - Post#203738    
    In response to SRP

Good luck to you with that stance, BRO.

 
TheLine 
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Jack Montague
03-08-16 11:29 AM - Post#203754    
    In response to SRP

We don't know whether Montague is innocent or guilty.

We can be reasonably sure that old white guys pontificating about changes in courtship rituals on college campuses is misguided gibberish.


Edited by TheLine on 03-08-16 11:30 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Jack Montague
03-08-16 12:39 PM - Post#203765    
    In response to TheLine

I'm sick of hearing about your undisclosed, alleged sex crimes, Jack Montague.

 
Chip Bayers 
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Re: Jack Montague
03-09-16 03:43 PM - Post#203972    
    In response to Tiger69

Meanwhile, Cornell basketball learns what disclosed, criminal sex charges look like.

Also a Yale recruiting target.


Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-09-16 03:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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Re: Jack Montague
03-09-16 09:23 PM - Post#204015    
    In response to TheLine

Since my information about these topics comes primarily from publicly accessible journalism and social science conducted by younger people, many of them women, does that suddenly make my views valid? No. So my age and race are similarly irrelevant in invalidating them.

 
penn nation 
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03-09-16 09:47 PM - Post#204020    
    In response to SRP

I'm really surprised that you didn't add that "these alleged victims bring this upon themselves". I mean if you're going to be a reactionary then at least have the sense to fire all of your weapons.

  • SRP Said:
PN is regurgitating a claim that has been exploded. In fact there is no new epidemic of sexual assault on U.S. women, and college campuses are not more dangerous than anywhere else for women in that demographic. Politically motivated bodies and individuals have been advancing that thesis and made great headway through repetition in convincing many well-meaning people, but the data fall apart upon any kind of critical analysis. There has been a transformation of courtship conventions and an increase in students equating intoxication with relaxation, both of which have increased the ambivalence and confusion around sexual behavior on campus.




 
TheLine 
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Jack Montague
03-10-16 01:55 PM - Post#204096    
    In response to penn nation

While I'm sure you can find supposed credible research claiming courtship rituals are more confused now, I'm finding it hard to believe that today's rituals are any more confused than when I was a college student in the '80s.

Again, I don't want to jump to conclusions on any specific case. However I'm not buying "I was confused about courtship rituals" as a defense.


 
SRP 
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03-10-16 08:19 PM - Post#204156    
    In response to TheLine

Wow, some of you shellbacks haven't heard about hooking up and the rarity of "dating" or couple formation on campus. Need to hit like a decade of posts over at Slate.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Re: Jack Montague
03-10-16 08:28 PM - Post#204157    
    In response to TheLine

I'm so confused:

The "courtship ritual" I don't understand is when the other four teammates on the court congratulate the player who just bricked a free throw!

 
SRP 
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03-11-16 02:18 AM - Post#204175    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Point shaving joy?

 
sparman 
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Re: Jack Montague
03-11-16 12:09 PM - Post#204194    
    In response to TheLine

  • TheLine Said:
We can be reasonably sure that old white guys pontificating about changes in courtship rituals on college campuses is misguided gibberish.




I highly doubt this incident has anything to do with courtship.

Either that, or way more people in college than we suspected were actually serious about pursuing marriage on Saturdays.


 
TheLine 
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03-11-16 07:48 PM - Post#204236    
    In response to sparman

Oh, I agree. Was just using SRP's term.

If there's more consensual... uh... hooking up nowadays, or at least in theory, wouldn't that make it easier to find a situation that didn't involve a rape accusation?


 
Old Bear 
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03-12-16 09:51 PM - Post#204307    
    In response to TheLine

Before or after?

 
mmp629 
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03-14-16 01:35 PM - Post#204429    
    In response to Old Bear

The plot thickens:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba ll/story/_...

 
Chip Bayers 
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Jack Montague
03-14-16 01:44 PM - Post#204431    
    In response to mmp629

Just in time to ensure this will be the only story you'll hear about Yale in the days leading up to their game.


Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-14-16 01:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Penn94 
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03-14-16 02:28 PM - Post#204437    
    In response to Chip Bayers

At least the NCAA Committee did Yale a favor by matching them up with a school that has a worse sexual assault record than Yale?


 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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03-14-16 02:58 PM - Post#204442    
    In response to Penn94

Now Hufnagel's been canned for alleged sexual misconduct.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article /C...

 
Quakers03 
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03-14-16 04:20 PM - Post#204449    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

Interesting on Hufnagel, a guy many Penn fans wanted as head coach.

As for the Montague story, it's quite the coincidence that this comes out a day after the sports world is talking about the 30 for 30 on Duke Lacrosse.

 
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