Tiger69
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02-28-16 01:09 PM - Post#202950
Superstition alert: avoiding the Yale pitfall.
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SRP
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02-28-16 03:44 PM - Post#202956
In response to Tiger69
Glad to see I'm not the only Nervous Nellie. Dartmouth can be vexing at home. But there really would be little excuse for not beating them.
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palestra38
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Dartmouth II 02-28-16 08:22 PM - Post#202974
In response to SRP
Ira Bowman---1996. Missed foul shot with game on the line--Penn loses at Dartmouth, ties Princeton (which it beat twice) and then loses in OT in the playoff at Lehigh.
So it can happen. But I don't expect this Princeton team to lose---that Penn team had lost its entire starting team before that season. This Princeton team appears to be peaking. Just too bad that the final game is at Princeton and not at Penn.
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westphillywarrior
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Re: Dartmouth II 02-28-16 08:35 PM - Post#202976
In response to palestra38
You don't have to go back 20 years. How about March 7, 2015: Dartmouth 59 - Yale 58, one night after Yale 62 - Harvard 52 in Cambridge.
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Tiger69
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02-28-16 09:58 PM - Post#202981
In response to westphillywarrior
Sounds crazy, I know. But, when the fans are taking games for granted, it's a sign that the team might also be doing so. On these Ivy weekends you really have to focus on each game before anything else. Trite, but true.
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Old Bear
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Dartmouth II 03-01-16 08:58 PM - Post#203100
In response to Tiger69
Trite maybe be better than Trump (unless they are the same).
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SRP
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03-05-16 08:08 PM - Post#203500
In response to Old Bear
We Nervous Nellies were unfortunately vindicated last night. Hope the Tigers make us look bad tonight.
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SRP
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03-05-16 08:16 PM - Post#203503
In response to SRP
Cannady an instant bolt of energy off the bench, forces a turnover then drives baseline and hits Weisz for an open three. PU trying to D up Dartmouth with tight man-to-man. No Boudreaux for the Big Green tonight.
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SRP
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03-05-16 08:21 PM - Post#203506
In response to SRP
Nice 19-9 lead early on with eight players having scored, including Rayner. Dartmouth struggling to hold onto the ball but hitting the glass pretty hard.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-05-16 08:24 PM - Post#203507
In response to SRP
Yale 17 Columbia 3
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SRP
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03-05-16 08:54 PM - Post#203521
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Up 44-23 at the half, Cook going crazy from three and making steals on the other end.
Columbia within 8 with about three minutes left in the first half.
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PennFan10
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03-05-16 09:19 PM - Post#203527
In response to SRP
What's wrong w Boudreax? Why couldn't he have taken last night off?
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-05-16 09:33 PM - Post#203532
In response to PennFan10
Yale 50 Columbia 45 with 9:15 left!
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gokinsmen
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Dartmouth II 03-05-16 09:58 PM - Post#203538
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
It was silly to expect Yale to choke like we did. Congrats to the Bulldogs. They may not be the "better" team, but they're tougher and more deserving. They come to play every game from the opening tip -- something our guys don't do.
For the record, I would have been okay with losing to Yale in a playoff. I could even be happy to see them make a tourney after decades of futility. But to lose, yet again, by choking to a sub-200 team is embarrassing and damaging to the program.
I wonder what the excuse will be next season when Harvard inevitably edges us for the title.
MH needs to deliver a title AND an NCAA win next season or I'm 100% in favor of a coaching change. He's a great basketball mind, but coaching isn't just Xs-and-Os. It's also motivation. And at some point, you run out of excuses as to why you keep choking every single year.
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puband09
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Re: Dartmouth II 03-05-16 10:08 PM - Post#203540
In response to gokinsmen
MH needs to deliver a title AND an NCAA win next season or I'm 100% in favor of a coaching change. He's a great basketball mind, but coaching isn't just Xs-and-Os. It's also motivation. And at some point, you run out of excuses as to why you keep choking every single year.
The fact that this seasoned tiger team couldn't put away that Harvard squad when they were in a "down" year—and not exactly playing the game of their lives either—does not make me optimistic for next year. Princeton will look slightly better, but Harvard is poised to look significantly better.
I think the tigers will be a 12-2 team again next year, but might not have the pieces to be champions.
Edited by puband09 on 03-05-16 10:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SRP
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03-05-16 10:09 PM - Post#203541
In response to gokinsmen
That's just silly. Late-season upsets happen all the time; Bill Carmody and Holy Cross just knocked off top-seed Bucknell in their conference tourney and a number of other one-seeds have also gone down early. Should James Jones have been fired because Yale kept "choking" year after year, coming close but never breaking through until now?
Yale played excellent defense all season, game to game and possession to possession, and Princeton did not. Some of that may be coaching but a lot of it is having a freak athlete at the back like Justin Sears who can cut off drives, block shots, and come out to the perimeter to shut down jump shooters.
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gokinsmen
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Dartmouth II 03-05-16 10:10 PM - Post#203542
In response to puband09
The fact that this seasoned tiger team couldn't put away that Harvard squad when they were in a "down" year—and not exactly playing the game of their lives either—does not make me optimistic for next year.
I agree. That's why I'm personally in favor of a coaching change this year. But I know that's not going to happen, so I won't forgive this latest horrible choke job unless MH delivers something TRULY special next season -- however unlikely that is.
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umbrellaman
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Re: Dartmouth II 03-05-16 10:10 PM - Post#203543
In response to gokinsmen
It's tough, but you must admit that Yale was the better team. Now their road wins were much easier - they may have gotten Zena coming off an injury and Columbia after being eliminated, but their body of work has been better. The Penn and Columbia games were very lucky - when you factor in the Yale and Harvard losses, they only played well against the bottom three of Cornell, Brown and Dartmouth.
I hope next year, Brase will return like Sherrod did and add the piece that they needed. You can only get away with the smoke and mirrors of the undersized lineup for so long.
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puband09
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Re: Dartmouth II 03-05-16 10:13 PM - Post#203544
In response to umbrellaman
It's tough, but you must admit that Yale was the better team.
There's less substance to this analysis with Montague out of the picture.
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gokinsmen
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03-05-16 10:13 PM - Post#203545
In response to SRP
So much excuse making. We didn't lose to Yale. We lost to a sub-200 Harvard team that was playing out a string of meaningless games.
Like I said, if we lost to Yale in a playoff, that would be fine. But to lose like this, another choke job, is a serious red flag.
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