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Username Post: Dartmouth II        (Topic#18782)
Tiger69 
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02-28-16 01:09 PM - Post#202950    

Superstition alert: avoiding the Yale pitfall.

 
SRP 
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02-28-16 03:44 PM - Post#202956    
    In response to Tiger69

Glad to see I'm not the only Nervous Nellie. Dartmouth can be vexing at home. But there really would be little excuse for not beating them.

 
palestra38 
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Dartmouth II
02-28-16 08:22 PM - Post#202974    
    In response to SRP

Ira Bowman---1996. Missed foul shot with game on the line--Penn loses at Dartmouth, ties Princeton (which it beat twice) and then loses in OT in the playoff at Lehigh.

So it can happen. But I don't expect this Princeton team to lose---that Penn team had lost its entire starting team before that season. This Princeton team appears to be peaking. Just too bad that the final game is at Princeton and not at Penn.

 
westphillywarrior 
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Re: Dartmouth II
02-28-16 08:35 PM - Post#202976    
    In response to palestra38

You don't have to go back 20 years. How about March 7, 2015: Dartmouth 59 - Yale 58, one night after Yale 62 - Harvard 52 in Cambridge.

 
Tiger69 
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02-28-16 09:58 PM - Post#202981    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Sounds crazy, I know. But, when the fans are taking games for granted, it's a sign that the team might also be doing so. On these Ivy weekends you really have to focus on each game before anything else. Trite, but true.

 
Old Bear 
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03-01-16 08:58 PM - Post#203100    
    In response to Tiger69

Trite maybe be better than Trump (unless they are the same).

 
SRP 
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03-05-16 08:08 PM - Post#203500    
    In response to Old Bear

We Nervous Nellies were unfortunately vindicated last night. Hope the Tigers make us look bad tonight.

 
SRP 
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03-05-16 08:16 PM - Post#203503    
    In response to SRP

Cannady an instant bolt of energy off the bench, forces a turnover then drives baseline and hits Weisz for an open three. PU trying to D up Dartmouth with tight man-to-man. No Boudreaux for the Big Green tonight.

 
SRP 
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03-05-16 08:21 PM - Post#203506    
    In response to SRP

Nice 19-9 lead early on with eight players having scored, including Rayner. Dartmouth struggling to hold onto the ball but hitting the glass pretty hard.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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03-05-16 08:24 PM - Post#203507    
    In response to SRP

Yale 17 Columbia 3

 
SRP 
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03-05-16 08:54 PM - Post#203521    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Up 44-23 at the half, Cook going crazy from three and making steals on the other end.

Columbia within 8 with about three minutes left in the first half.

 
PennFan10 
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03-05-16 09:19 PM - Post#203527    
    In response to SRP

What's wrong w Boudreax? Why couldn't he have taken last night off?

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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03-05-16 09:33 PM - Post#203532    
    In response to PennFan10

Yale 50 Columbia 45 with 9:15 left!

 
gokinsmen 
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03-05-16 09:58 PM - Post#203538    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

It was silly to expect Yale to choke like we did. Congrats to the Bulldogs. They may not be the "better" team, but they're tougher and more deserving. They come to play every game from the opening tip -- something our guys don't do.

For the record, I would have been okay with losing to Yale in a playoff. I could even be happy to see them make a tourney after decades of futility. But to lose, yet again, by choking to a sub-200 team is embarrassing and damaging to the program.

I wonder what the excuse will be next season when Harvard inevitably edges us for the title.

MH needs to deliver a title AND an NCAA win next season or I'm 100% in favor of a coaching change. He's a great basketball mind, but coaching isn't just Xs-and-Os. It's also motivation. And at some point, you run out of excuses as to why you keep choking every single year.

 
puband09 
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Re: Dartmouth II
03-05-16 10:08 PM - Post#203540    
    In response to gokinsmen

  • gokinsmen Said:
MH needs to deliver a title AND an NCAA win next season or I'm 100% in favor of a coaching change. He's a great basketball mind, but coaching isn't just Xs-and-Os. It's also motivation. And at some point, you run out of excuses as to why you keep choking every single year.



The fact that this seasoned tiger team couldn't put away that Harvard squad when they were in a "down" year—and not exactly playing the game of their lives either—does not make me optimistic for next year. Princeton will look slightly better, but Harvard is poised to look significantly better.

I think the tigers will be a 12-2 team again next year, but might not have the pieces to be champions.

Edited by puband09 on 03-05-16 10:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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03-05-16 10:09 PM - Post#203541    
    In response to gokinsmen

That's just silly. Late-season upsets happen all the time; Bill Carmody and Holy Cross just knocked off top-seed Bucknell in their conference tourney and a number of other one-seeds have also gone down early. Should James Jones have been fired because Yale kept "choking" year after year, coming close but never breaking through until now?

Yale played excellent defense all season, game to game and possession to possession, and Princeton did not. Some of that may be coaching but a lot of it is having a freak athlete at the back like Justin Sears who can cut off drives, block shots, and come out to the perimeter to shut down jump shooters.

 
gokinsmen 
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03-05-16 10:10 PM - Post#203542    
    In response to puband09

  • Quote:
The fact that this seasoned tiger team couldn't put away that Harvard squad when they were in a "down" year—and not exactly playing the game of their lives either—does not make me optimistic for next year.


I agree. That's why I'm personally in favor of a coaching change this year. But I know that's not going to happen, so I won't forgive this latest horrible choke job unless MH delivers something TRULY special next season -- however unlikely that is.

 
umbrellaman 
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Re: Dartmouth II
03-05-16 10:10 PM - Post#203543    
    In response to gokinsmen

It's tough, but you must admit that Yale was the better team. Now their road wins were much easier - they may have gotten Zena coming off an injury and Columbia after being eliminated, but their body of work has been better. The Penn and Columbia games were very lucky - when you factor in the Yale and Harvard losses, they only played well against the bottom three of Cornell, Brown and Dartmouth.

I hope next year, Brase will return like Sherrod did and add the piece that they needed. You can only get away with the smoke and mirrors of the undersized lineup for so long.

 
puband09 
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Re: Dartmouth II
03-05-16 10:13 PM - Post#203544    
    In response to umbrellaman

  • umbrellaman Said:
It's tough, but you must admit that Yale was the better team.



There's less substance to this analysis with Montague out of the picture.

 
gokinsmen 
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03-05-16 10:13 PM - Post#203545    
    In response to SRP

So much excuse making. We didn't lose to Yale. We lost to a sub-200 Harvard team that was playing out a string of meaningless games.

Like I said, if we lost to Yale in a playoff, that would be fine. But to lose like this, another choke job, is a serious red flag.

 
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