QHoops
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03-18-16 08:47 PM - Post#204943
In response to Old Bear
Old Bear, Middle Tennessee just blew up pretty much everyone's bracket.
Which means that, for the most part, they really didn't.
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Old Bear
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03-18-16 08:55 PM - Post#204945
In response to QHoops
Q, I had MSU winning the whole damn thing!
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Chip Bayers
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03-18-16 09:47 PM - Post#204952
In response to Old Bear
... and now Stephen F. Austin takes down West Virginia.
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TigerFan
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Ivy League Tournament - Official Announcement
03-18-16 10:02 PM - Post#204953
In response to Old Bear
I picked Yale, ARLR, Hawaii and SF Austin but also had Mich St. winning the whole thing. Of course it didn't stop me from rooting for MTSU to knock them out. Fun tournament so far.
Edited by TigerFan on 03-18-16 10:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Mike Porter
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03-19-16 02:47 AM - Post#204965
In response to TigerFan
Yep I definitely had MSU winning a bracket and final four in another. Still fun to see upsets regardless. That's what the first round is all about.
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Tiger69
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03-19-16 12:25 PM - Post#204988
In response to Mike Porter
No answer here. So, why not go with FOUR consecutive 256 team fields (or however many necessary to exceed total of Div I teams with a few random byes to tidy up the field) with the four winners vying for the National championship (or three, with one receiving a bye, if one team wins two or more fields, etc). Worst case: one team COULD play as many as 34 games total with that number diminishing to as few as 4 games for a team that looses all its openers. But wait! There's more! An Annual Door Prize that permits inclusion on any of the rosters of the Final Four teams to all members of one randomly selected team that failed to win to win one of the four fields.
As Tom Lehrer once said, political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. 
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PennFan10
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03-20-16 09:24 PM - Post#205093
In response to PennFan10
If not for a conference tournament Gonzaga is not playing in the sweet 16 of NCAA tournament.
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mrjames
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03-20-16 09:44 PM - Post#205094
In response to PennFan10
Nor would Dunk City have been in 2013 or any of the other recent 15-seeds that have pulled first-round upsets. I posted a list awhile back and it's substantial. Northern Iowa trying to join that list right now.
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Chip Bayers
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03-21-16 12:14 AM - Post#205103
In response to mrjames
Or not.
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mrjames
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03-21-16 07:43 AM - Post#205110
In response to Chip Bayers
Yeah... Such a shame for both SFA and Northern Iowa.
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bradley
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03-21-16 09:44 AM - Post#205116
In response to mrjames
Heartbreaker for Northern Iowa as they are a heck of a team as a 11th seed.
Someone provided statistics going back to 1996 regarding the record of the lower seeds. The facts are as follows:
#16 seed are 0-84
#15 seed are 6-78
#14 seed are 11-73
#13 seed are 17-67
#12 seed are 35-49
Record for #16 and #15 seeds are combined 6-162
Ivies like everyone else have more success as #12 or #13 seeds which is certainly logical but does confirm the importance of receiving the best possible seed.
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sparman
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Ivy League Tournament - Official Announcement
03-21-16 01:18 PM - Post#205135
In response to bradley
Bilas always cites these stats to prove his argument of non-parity between big conferences and small ones. The problem of course is that big conference teams would have a much worse record if they were forced to play Kentucky, et al, in the first round, too.
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SRP
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03-22-16 10:08 PM - Post#205214
In response to sparman
Yep. I was really pulling for SFA and thought they could have used a little better luck with the officiating down the stretch. Their #11 got hit with a very iffy blocking call when they had a lead near the end.
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SRP
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03-22-16 10:10 PM - Post#205215
In response to SRP
BTW, SFA coach Underwood is going to Oklahoma State. Doubt he'll go 59-1 in conference play like he did in the Southland, but he may be able to really make a mark if he can recruit even better guards to play that half-court man pressure D.
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section110
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03-23-16 10:15 AM - Post#205236
In response to SRP
That team was really fun to watch.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Ivy League Tournament - Official Announcement
10-20-16 09:18 AM - Post#211717
In response to section110
Interesting 'intended' consequence of the tournament is already showing itself on this Board. A focus of a good quantity of posts consists of analysis (and fans jockeying) in relation to which squad will earn the 4th tournament spot. I see far less discussion of which team will win the regular season. Is this because the league title is now far less significant than grabbing that final tournament spot? One could argue that Harvard, Princeton and possibly Yale fans are just laying back and looking forward to some entertaining regular season games before tuning in for the tournament. As a Harvard fan, I'm looking forward to watching this young team come together and figuring that the likely third meeting with Princeton will determine whether this was a successful season. For the fans of the five non HYP squads, the regular season could have all the excitement that the historical '14 game tournament' used to - five squads playing for the 'top' spot (even if the victor likely has a roughly .500 win percentage). Exciting for five schools, but also anti-climactic for fans of the other three.
I note that this assumes the prognosticators are correct about a big gap between the top three and the rest of the league. I'm also noticing that the national pre-season analysis lists Princeton and Harvard outside the top 50, a finish that would negate any chance for a second bid.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-20-16 09:19 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Tiger69
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Re: Ivy League Tournament - Official Announcement
10-20-16 10:24 AM - Post#211722
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Whether Princeton wins title or Harvard, if tourney winner is not Ivy Champ, and receives only NCAA bid, the tournament stinks. Let the tourney PRECEDE the league race and designate Ivy Champ as NCAA rep. If the damn NCAA gives a second Ivy bid, then the tourney winner can tag along.
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section110
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Re: Ivy League Tournament - Official Announcement
10-20-16 11:19 AM - Post#211724
In response to Tiger69
God bless us old fa*ts; I mean hidebound traditionalists. I second your motion.
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mrjames
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Re: Ivy League Tournament - Official Announcement
10-20-16 11:33 AM - Post#211726
In response to Tiger69
The funny thing is that the first regular season champ, but tourney loser might be the only type of team I feel bad about when it comes to auto bids being decided via conference tourneys.
I never really care if a team ranked 175 in Pomeroy that won its league watches a team ranked 250 win the tournament and the bid. That team ranked 175 shouldn't have been anywhere near the NCAA Tournament anyway. The only teams I care about are those that would have been in the field if we merely selected the best 68 teams nationally without any auto bids, won their regular season title but lost in the tourney and aren't deemed worthy of an at large (Valpo, SDSU, St. Mary's from last year).
Princeton could very well be that team this year, though, and in fact, it would be less of a surprise to see them on the bubble than it would be to see them not among the top 68 teams nationally at all.
The league picked a REALLY interesting year to have its first conference tournament.
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bradley
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Re: Ivy League Tournament - Official Announcement
10-20-16 01:26 PM - Post#211729
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
You have made some good and valid points about the impact of the tournament on the Ivy League season. I listened to some of the Ivy League coaches at the press conference speak "coach talk" about the regular season in order to keep their players focused but I have no doubt that they are calculating their strategy as to how to play out the regular season Ivy League conference games.
Never bad a fan of the IL Tournament and this year as well as future years will verify if it indeed was a smart or foolish move. I am sure that people on either side of the issue will be in denial when the "real world" occurs.
It will be ironic if the fourth team this year with a 6-8 league record pulls off two remarkable upsets and goes off to the Big Dance and then gets trounced by 30 pts as a 15 or 16 seed in the first year of the IL Tournament. Hope not but anything is possible in one or two games.
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