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Username Post: Go Bulldogs        (Topic#18861)
penn nation 
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03-17-16 05:49 PM - Post#204840    
    In response to gokinsmen

Even though Sears was the victim of that TO, he still used his head by trying to shield Wainright from the ball instead of trying to directly battle with him for it. With 4 fouls, a direct battle could have been disastrous.

 
section110 
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Re: Go Bulldogs
03-17-16 05:50 PM - Post#204841    
    In response to penn nation

The tv announcers agreed it was a charge. The replay showed the Baylor guy lowered his shoulder into the defender. Gutsy & good call.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-17-16 05:55 PM - Post#204842    
    In response to section110

So does this mean the Yale backcourt is still pedestrian?


 
gopenngo 
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03-17-16 06:44 PM - Post#204843    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Only when compared to Woods/Silpe/Jackson.

 
Old Bear 
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03-17-16 08:06 PM - Post#204847    
    In response to gopenngo

It seems to me that the gurus on these Boards said Yale didn't have a bench. Sherrod and Sears were limited in the 2nd half, Mason was controlled, and Victor can't shoot. How did they win?

 
penn nation 
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03-17-16 08:17 PM - Post#204849    
    In response to Old Bear

  • Old Bear Said:
Mason was controlled



I must have been watching a different feed.


 
SomeGuy 
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03-17-16 08:18 PM - Post#204850    
    In response to Chip Bayers

You beat me to it.

Quite a performance by Mason.

 
Quakers03 
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03-17-16 09:25 PM - Post#204856    
    In response to SomeGuy

Mason had the game of his life. He carried his team on his back big time. Without him Baylor goes up big in the first half and without his free throw shooting they win in the 2nd half. Pretty impressive performance. Sears shot 7-10 and they needed every bit of it, but Mason was the star today. Good for them.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-17-16 11:05 PM - Post#204860    
    In response to Quakers03

And while I am a proponent of Donahue's 3s and lay ups strategy, the 2 point jumpers off the dribble under tight defensive pressure were certainly huge this afternoon.



 
SomeGuy 
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03-17-16 11:07 PM - Post#204862    
    In response to palestra38

Yes. It's also nice to keep seeing wins where the Ivy simply looks like the better team. That win today wasn't particularly lucky or gimmicky.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-18-16 01:37 AM - Post#204863    
    In response to SomeGuy

I thought Mason played similar to how he did in the Columbia game at Levien, especially in the second half of that one.


 
SRP 
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03-18-16 04:21 AM - Post#204866    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Same old Yale. They have a wide comfort zone and just play within themselves. They are tough, don't take off defensive possessions, and make great interior passes. Downey and Ferguson were amazing off the bench when the battleship and the cruiser (Sears and Sherrod) had to sit with fouls. Was anybody here surprised that Yale out-toughed Baylor mentally and physically? Knowing both teams, it was kind of what I expected, although the intra-Bear altercation surprised me; they had seemed to be more unified this year than last.

Also, I wonder if there isn't some kind of physical training story here because the Bulldog players seem to have terrific core strength despite not looking nearly as buffed-out as the Baylor players. It's like the Bears have put a lot of effort into showy biceps and triceps and shoulders but those comparatively slender Yale guys can't be moved off of their spots even when banged pretty hard. With the new rules about not putting your hands on guys defensively that seems to serve them well.

Finally, mid-range jumpers look pretty good when you shoot them better than most teams shoot layups. Mason loves that elbow jumper off the dribble and must have knocked down thousands of them in practice.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-18-16 09:28 AM - Post#204878    
    In response to Chip Bayers

I also kind of liked hearing him on Sportcenter saying that he didn't have a very good year.

 
Old Bear 
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03-18-16 01:23 PM - Post#204898    
    In response to SomeGuy

Perhaps "controlled" was the wrong term. He had 17 pts. in the first half and 14 in the second, but 10 of those were from the line. On a poor foul shooting team, Mason was obviously the wrong one to foul. I did not mean to say that Mason was not effective, he was the best player on the floor. My point was that with Sears and Sherrod in foul trouble, the Yale Bench should get some props in this game.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-18-16 01:46 PM - Post#204901    
    In response to Old Bear

Absolutely. Yale's lack of numerical depth is deceptive because they have quite a bit of versatility among their core 6 guys (the starters plus Downey), and somebody among their big 3 seems to always step up and carry the scoring load if somebody gets in foul trouble or has a bad game. And everybody who plays defends, even when they do have to get deeper into the bench. So while there is probably an exploitable weakness in there somewhere, it is very hard to get to it.

I really like Victor as a player -- he does a lot of the dirty work that makes everybody else better. He did make a huge mistake in taking that quick 3 from the corner down the stretch (negating a huge offensive rebound), and he had a bad turnover on a pass to nobody as well. I liked that they went ahead and took what Baylor gave them and got him the ball in the final 10 seconds, and that he made a very big free throw.



 
Chip Bayers 
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03-18-16 02:07 PM - Post#204903    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
Also, I wonder if there isn't some kind of physical training story here because the Bulldog players seem to have terrific core strength despite not looking nearly as buffed-out as the Baylor players. It's like the Bears have put a lot of effort into showy biceps and triceps and shoulders but those comparatively slender Yale guys can't be moved off of their spots even when banged pretty hard. With the new rules about not putting your hands on guys defensively that seems to serve them well.



Well if there's one consistent theme to the types of players Jones has recruited and the style he has coached in his frontcourt, it's physical play, sometimes (actually often) to excess. Remember the late Josh Hill? You get used to getting banged hard everyday in practice.


 
weinhauers_ghost 
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03-18-16 02:33 PM - Post#204905    
    In response to Chip Bayers

For overly enthusiastic physical play, how can you overlook Greg Mangano (who's been playing in Europe the past few years - in Turkey, Spain, Germany, Finland and most recently, Belgium)?

 
SomeGuy 
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03-18-16 03:09 PM - Post#204913    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

To put a slightly more positive spin on it, I think Yale under Jones develops big men better than any other program in the league.

They'll have a huge dropoff with Sears and Sherrod graduating up front, but you can pretty much assume that somebody will average 10 points and 6 rebounds for them. They always seem to have at least one of those guys.

 
bradley 
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03-18-16 03:45 PM - Post#204920    
    In response to SomeGuy

Yale did not always get a lot of "love" from some forum contributors during the course of the year --- i.e. no bench, pedestrian backcourt etc etc. Plus, they had virtually had no Yale fans to support their cause.

It certainly helps to have two of the three best players in the league plus Sherrod in the top five. Mason is just incredibly good and as Jones said in an interview, he thought that Makai would be a good Ivy League player but he is surprised as to how good he is.

Is it all that surprising that Yale beat Baylor with a 13-1 record --- a loss to the Tigers away and only one close game? Yale lost to SMU by 2 pts away and had Duke knotted up with 10 minutes to go. They are a very good team -- probably one of the best teams in the Ivies in a while.

Unfortunately, what will probably get them in the short or long run is their foul shooting.

 
Old Bear 
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03-18-16 09:00 PM - Post#204946    
    In response to bradley

Victor is an enigma. He is an overachiever on D and rebounding. He has had some games when he has scored, but he is a horrible shooter. He's a 50+% FT shooter. How can you make the first of a one and one, and air-ball the next?

 
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