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Username Post: Hufnagel        (Topic#18882)
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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03-16-16 09:32 AM - Post#204625    

Not that we were ever in the running for his services, but holy crap am I glad we didn't try to hire him. Some pretty damning evidence here. What an absolute f***ing creep.

http://deadspin.com/cal-investigation-fin ds-assist...

 
H78 
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Re: Hufnagel
03-20-16 03:47 PM - Post#205079    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

I know Yanni (Yann), and what I read in this article (and others) shocks and surprises me. It's not the guy I know.

May I suggest before any of us get on our high horses, let's see what ultimately transpires. Seriously, a man's reputation is on the line, and before any of us start jumping on our soap boxes, let's see what actually comes out on all this.

Please note, T.P.F.K.A.D.W., I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, just suggesting let's see how this all plays out before starting to cast stones.

You may remember that I, among others, reserved our opinions on Tony Bagtas, and allowed that story to be played out. I think we can all agree that prior to this recent news, Yanni built up a strong enough resume, and reputation that we all held him in high regard. Let's allow this matter to be fully heard out before casting judgements, and certainly before calling anyone names, OK?

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-21-16 12:17 AM - Post#205104    
    In response to H78

Umm, he _was_ fired. What "playing out" are you expecting at this point?


 
dperry 
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03-21-16 01:24 PM - Post#205136    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Furthermore, if the report is an accurate record of his testimony, he doesn't exactly paint himself in the best light. His defense is essentially, "Yeah, I came on to her, but she totally wanted it."
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SRP 
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03-22-16 10:13 PM - Post#205216    
    In response to dperry

The texts back and forth are not edifying. She sounds like she's desperately wriggling trying not to alienate her key source while still putting off his advances. Don't know why she was so dependent on one guy as a source, though.

 
TheLine 
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04-04-16 02:52 PM - Post#205735    
    In response to SRP

A summary of Hufnagel's defense.

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2016/4/3/1135...

Don't think it's going to trump the parking garage incident, which Hufnagel doesn't dispute and was either creepy or behavior unbecoming a guy you'd want to run your basketball program (take your pick). If you're feeling generous to Yanni (or is it Yann now?) you can point out that Rick Pitino still has his job.


 
20Penn14 
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04-08-16 12:40 AM - Post#205888    
    In response to TheLine

And he resigns.

http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article /Cal-ba...

 
Quakers03 
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04-09-16 02:05 AM - Post#205968    
    In response to 20Penn14

And is hired by Nevada. Wow.

 
PennFan10 
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04-15-16 05:52 PM - Post#206198    
    In response to Quakers03

The gift that keeps on giving:

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/education/ 2016/04/15...



 
Old Bear 
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04-15-16 09:10 PM - Post#206202    
    In response to PennFan10

May we assume that UNR is U N Reno, nor U of Nevada?

 
palestra38 
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04-15-16 09:33 PM - Post#206203    
    In response to Old Bear

Nevada Reno is commonly referred to simply as "Nevada" as opposed to UNLV

 
TheLine 
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04-19-16 09:41 AM - Post#206315    
    In response to palestra38

Deadspin's take:
http://deadspin.com/fired-cal-coach-who-a sked-repo...


 
SomeGuy 
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04-20-16 07:51 PM - Post#206402    
    In response to TheLine

I may be missing something in terms of the chronology, but the quote by the President seems to say that Nevada didn't review this additional allegedly exculpatory information until after announcing the hire. That seems like an incredible lack of due diligence to me. To me, that says that Nevada wasn't interested in or concerned about the issue until faculty and students made it a big deal. Regardless of whether they think the information exonerates him, I think the fact they apparently didn't initially track this down and review it shows a larger systemic issue.

I'm not at all surprised that Hufnagel is getting a second chance. I am amazed at how quickly the second chance came, and how it seems to come with the message that there wasn't an issue in the first place. That seems like the wrong message to send regarding somebody whose job is to teach young men.

 
palestra38 
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Hufnagel
04-20-16 08:52 PM - Post#206403    
    In response to SomeGuy

Having read all of the various articles, I have come to the conclusion that Hufnagel is a schmuck. But many coaches are schmucks. The essential allegation is that after the female reporter rejected his advances, he gave her false information. She printed it, it was false and she got fired. (note: reporters are responsible for their own reports). Really schmucky thing to do, as was his continued pressure after she said no, but she wasn't a player, a student or anyone associated with the University. He didn't do anything criminal as far as I can tell. A-hole for sure. But am I missing something based on the fury directed against him?

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Hufnagel
04-20-16 11:11 PM - Post#206405    
    In response to palestra38

I may just have less tolerance for schmucks and A-holes! The only thing I would add, and I think it is important here, is that my understanding is that Cal made an initial determination that he violated their harassment policy. My point is simply that, if you are Nevada and you care about the issue, you do everything you possibly can to find out about what happened. It sounds like they more or less took his word for it, asked a few people who knew him, and then made the hire. With the appeal going on, it even sounds like they went out of their way to hurry up and make the announcement before their could be a further riot against him. Then they finally dug deeper when people started to (very predictably) raise a fuss. So my fury is mainly at Nevada here -- I think they behaved in a way that said that they didn't care even if he did do something that violated Cal's harassment policy.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Hufnagel
04-21-16 06:18 AM - Post#206407    
    In response to SomeGuy

Maybe I'm looking at this from a legal point of view, but how can he have violated any harassment policy when she was not associated with the University. Sexual harassment, by definition, requires some form of power or control. If they had a right to fire him, it is based on a general conduct clause (and his conduct was reprehensible). I can't see how this violated the University's sexual harassment policy, however, and I think he was likely to prevail on his administrative appeal. Indeed, it wouldn't totally surprise me if Cal was hopeful he would get another job, so it wouldn't have to defend the policy decision.

 
Jay O 
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04-21-16 08:02 AM - Post#206411    
    In response to palestra38

It sounds like you're saying that the university forbids sexual harassment if the victim is part of the Cal community proper, but shouldn't care if the victim isn't.

 
palestra38 
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04-21-16 10:03 AM - Post#206414    
    In response to Jay O

You add an editorial which is nothing close to what I said. I never said they shouldn't "care." But in order to fire him FOR CAUSE for a violation of the sexual harassment policy of the University, you have to follow that policy, which states that it covers only those affiliated with the University. They have the right to fire him and probably pay his remaining term for other reasons (unless this falls within the general conduct clause, which I doubt), but I am just looking at the legality of what they did. And as to that, I think he had a pretty good defense because she was not affiliated with the University.

Yes, they should care. But if you want to fire someone for violation of a policy, the terms of that policy are controlling.

 
TheLine 
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04-21-16 11:00 AM - Post#206418    
    In response to palestra38

The reporter would be covered by harassment laws, at least in California. Her job required interaction with Cal employees, with the Cal employee able to exert control over her ability to do her job.

I've gone through enough of the material from both sides to believe that Yann's behavior forced Cal's hand. UNR doesn't have the same liability that Cal has so it's less of a concern for them I guess.


 
Silver Maple 
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04-21-16 11:02 AM - Post#206419    
    In response to TheLine

Do we know if there's a civil suit in the works?

 
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