Columbia 37P6
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04-01-16 02:15 PM - Post#205657
In response to SomeGuy
I do agree with you again. In fact, logic suggests that Harvard's coaching staff is going to have a problem keeping everyone happy. Very few schools recruit as many studs as Harvard has in its incoming class. Not everyone wants to sit on the bench for three or four years if they can start someone else and get an excellent degree.
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cu hoops fan
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04-04-16 07:19 AM - Post#205716
In response to randal7
I have similar inside info and all your points are accurate. Tolerating a coach and having a real and personal connection to him are very different. It was the negative things described by the players that resulted in Smith's inability to truly inspire his team. They did it for each other and themselves but not the coaching staff. The level of inspiration is what sets equally talented teams apart and the lack of inspiration significantly held back a very talented group of seniors. It is best that he is gone.
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cc66
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04-05-16 04:01 PM - Post#205783
In response to Chet Forte
Kyle's gracious goodbye:
http://features.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2016/...
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internetter
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04-05-16 07:27 PM - Post#205790
In response to cc66
Never having played college ball, I can speculate, only.
Given the apparent good feeling among the players, this year and last, it seemed natural they played for themselves, primarily. I think most other teams do.
And, I never saw his teams hug Rohan with all of the success they had.
Ditto Wooden and Knight.
As for Smith, those who know the game seem to evaluate him differently. What I saw on screens was a resilient team that didn't let bad stretches cause panic. Whether that's attributable to just the team is hard to tell, for me, at least.
I leave that conclusion to others, those who have attended games or not, those who read boxscores, whatever.
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SomeGuy
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04-05-16 08:33 PM - Post#205792
In response to internetter
Ultimately, all most of us can do is give credit and/or blame to everybody involved. I don't think it is fair, generally, to give credit for all the positives to the kids and the negatives to the coach. The opposite isn't fair either, of course.
I will say, though, that a couple of the comments on here give me pause about the character of the team. Hopefully, the posters are taking some lukewarm comments about the coach and extrapolating those out into bigger themes about not winning a championship. If the players attitude about it is that the coach held them back, that strikes me as the type of attitude that results in not winning a championship. Coach has responsibility for the team's attitude, too, of course, but some of that has to fall on the players. The life lesson should be to take responsibility when you don't reach a goal -- not to find somebody else to blame.
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Old Bear
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04-05-16 08:55 PM - Post#205793
In response to SomeGuy
Sorry, SG, you've missed the essence of these boards. Our role is to find someone to blame, and dammit we're good at that!
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Murph
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04-06-16 09:21 AM - Post#205800
In response to internetter
I leave that conclusion to others, those who have attended games or not, those who read boxscores, whatever.
Your posts are repetitive and inaccurate. If you are referring to me among "those who read boxscores, whatever," you are wrong.
I attended several games this year, and I probably watched another 10 or 15 on TV and the internet.
So give your condescension a rest.
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rbg
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08-01-18 08:38 AM - Post#259798
In response to Murph
Kyle Smith received a multi-year extension from USF, following back-to-back 20 win seasons. This was a first for the Dons since 1980-1982.
https://bustingbrackets.com/2018/07/30/san-franci s...
https://usfdons.com/news/2018/7/27/mens-b asketball...
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rbg
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03-25-19 09:02 AM - Post#282654
In response to rbg
Wyking Jones was fired from Cal this weekend.
At the top of the list for Cal is Jason Kidd, but he has a number of things going against him (no college degree, history of domestic violence, his connection to the Todd Bozeman era and a desire to get back o coaching in the NBA). Also mentioned are Randy Bennett of St. Mary's, Eric Mussellman of Nevada, Travis DeCuire of Montana and Russell Turner of UC Irvine.
Kyle Smith's name has been mentioned by several places, as well. The biggest strike against him, compared to the others on the list, is his lack of an NCAA Tournament bid.
James Jones was also mentioned by a pundit at watchstadium.com.
https://collegesportsmave n.io/cal/basketball/cal-b...
- KYLE SMITH: The head coach at the University of San Francisco, Smith has led the Dons to three straight 20-victory seasons for the first time since a seven-year run that ended 37 years ago, in 1982. Smith, who will turn 50 in June, is 63-40 at USF. He has experience at a high-end academic school, having assembled a six-year record of 101-82 at Columbia in the Ivy League, including 25-10 in 2015-16. He has never directed a team to the NCAA tournament as a head coach, but was part of Randy Bennett’s staff for 10 seasons at Saint Mary’s. Richmond coach Chris Mooney in 2011 called Smith “the smartest man in college basketball. I think he has the best feel and overview of basketball programs and coaching of anyone I've ever met.†-
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/03/24/wyking-jon ...
https://watchstadium.com/news/search-firm-pred icti...
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cc66
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03-25-19 12:32 PM - Post#282667
In response to rbg
There is also a minor, but not entirely irrelevant factor, namely that Grant Mullins, former Columbia PG transferred to Cal for his graduate year, did well in the program, and probably speaks highly of Smith.
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rbg
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03-25-19 03:43 PM - Post#282681
In response to cc66
That certainly may be true.
It looks like Klay Thompson is also impressed with Smith and is lobbying for his alma mater, Washington State, to hire him away from USF.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Klay -...
http://www.sfexaminer.com/klay-thompson-stumpin g-u...
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Columbia 37P6
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03-25-19 04:09 PM - Post#282683
In response to rbg
Our former Athletic Director, Diane Murphy, made a great choice when she hired Kyle Smith as Columbia's Head Basketball Coach. Smith is one of the best game coaches there is. He just has a brilliant basketball mind. I also found him to be very personable and friendly to alums like myself.
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mrjames
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03-25-19 04:17 PM - Post#282684
In response to Columbia 37P6
Kyle is tremendous and deserves a shot at a higher level. Only problem - at a certain level - it becomes as much about recruiting as it does about coaching. The jury is out on him as a big-time recruiter, but I refuse to bet against him figuring that out as well...
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Billy Hoyle
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03-26-19 05:39 PM - Post#282832
In response to Columbia 37P6
Our former Athletic Director, Diane Murphy, made a great choice when she hired Kyle Smith as Columbia's Head Basketball Coach. Smith is one of the best game coaches there is. He just has a brilliant basketball mind. I also found him to be very personable and friendly to alums like myself.
Ray Tellier made that call, not Dianne.
I hope Kyle gets the Cal job but it's a major long shot with the way his USF team finished this year, costing them a postseason bid. Turner from Irvine is the most likely as he's already in the UC system and has been to two NCAA tournaments, the first in Irvine history. This might be the job that Bennett finally leaves SMC for as well.
There are only certain jobs Kyle can take, Washington State is not one of them.
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Old Bear
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03-26-19 08:20 PM - Post#282839
In response to Billy Hoyle
Turner may have shot himself in the foot .
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Stuart Suss
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03-26-19 10:04 PM - Post#282843
In response to Old Bear
Jon Rothstein reports that Kyle Smith will be the next coach of Washington State.
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internetter
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03-26-19 11:36 PM - Post#282846
In response to Chet Forte
http://dnews.com/breaking_news/report- wsu-to-hire-...
WSU
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Chip Bayers
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03-27-19 02:09 AM - Post#282848
In response to internetter
Well that will certainly test his recruiting skills.
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Chet Forte
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03-27-19 10:21 AM - Post#282852
In response to Chip Bayers
He can pull out and mark up his 2016 letter to the Columbia community about how he would have been content to stay at Columbia for his entire career but the opportunity to go home to the Bay Area where he had family was too hard to resist. Perhaps he also has family in Walla Walla, or wherever Washington State is located.
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palestra38
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03-27-19 10:26 AM - Post#282853
In response to Chet Forte
You cannot blame any coach for taking a job with a Power Conference and making the big money. The excuse of why he would leave CU for a slight upgrade in his home city is not applicable to taking this job.
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