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bradley 
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05-17-16 02:35 PM - Post#207035    

Jim McMillan, Bill Bradley, Geoff Petrie and others were drafted in the 1st round of the NBA draft when the league had fewer teams. I believe that it has been a long time since any Ivy League player has been drafted reasonably high but I may be wrong. It is unlikely that Sears or Lo will be drafted this year in the 2nd round but they should get a look see by a NBA team before heading off to Europe.

If and when an Ivy League player gets drafted again, it could be a sign that the Ivy League is stepping up another level. There has been a fair amount of discussion that the league is getting better although time will tell. A drafted player might help to send a message out to talented high school players.

 
palestra38 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-17-16 03:22 PM - Post#207040    
    In response to bradley

The Ivy League talent level is at its highest since the late '70s, when 3 teams had players capable of playing at the NBA level. But the NBA talent level is so much higher now that it is just much tougher for an Ivy player to make it. You can't survive without NBA speed and few Ivy players play at NBA speed.

 
sparman 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-17-16 08:15 PM - Post#207058    
    In response to bradley

Back then, there were no foreign players being drafted.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-17-16 08:31 PM - Post#207061    
    In response to sparman

There were also very few "early entry" players. IIRC, after Spencer Haywood's court case, players who wished to enter the NBA draft had to declare financial hardship. I think at the time players had to have completed their junior season in college in order to be eligible.

 
QHoops 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-17-16 09:28 PM - Post#207063    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

Jerome Allen was drafted in the middle of the second round. I'm not aware of any Ivy draftees since then.

 
bradley 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-18-16 08:56 AM - Post#207074    
    In response to QHoops

1970 draft had 3 Ivy League players in the first 15 picks -- Petrie, McMillan and Hummer. All three players had some success in the NBA -- different times/different era.

 
palestra38 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-18-16 09:50 AM - Post#207077    
    In response to bradley

Wohl, Calhoun and Hankinson of Penn also went on to play for 7, 8 and 2 years, respectively, in the NBA.

 
coins 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-18-16 11:17 AM - Post#207079    
    In response to palestra38

From that era:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/sports/in- ivys-g...

 
palestra38 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-18-16 11:30 AM - Post#207080    
    In response to coins

Good article---although as a '78 Penn grad, I think that was the greatest team in Ivy history in pure talent. It went 9 deep in really good players and should have beaten a Duke team that went to the final game. In '79, Penn really only went 6 deep because of graduations (including Penn's greatest scorer of the modern era--Keven McDonald) and still got to the Final Four. But I would venture to say that either the Penn or Columbia teams of the late '70s would have given those early '70s teams fits because their backcourts were much much quicker.

I just wish I could be talking about Penn teams of the 2010s, though.

 
coins 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-18-16 11:40 AM - Post#207081    
    In response to palestra38

Echo that.

 
bradley 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-18-16 04:59 PM - Post#207094    
    In response to palestra38

Debatable as to which Ivy League team had the most talent but clearly, Penn had a very talented team. It would be fair to say that the 65 Princeton team accomplished the most by finishing 3rd in the NCAA tournament and Bradley had the magical game of scoring 58 points against Wichita State in the consolation game.

It will be very challenging for Ivy teams to even get near these heights although it will be interesting to see what Harvard accomplishes over the next few years -- the bar has set very high.

 
mrjames 
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05-18-16 05:59 PM - Post#207095    
    In response to bradley

FWIW, Harvard should have two projected lottery picks in the 2018 NBA Draft on campus for an official visit this fall. All it takes is one committing...

 
20Penn14 
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Re: NBA Draft
05-18-16 06:01 PM - Post#207096    
    In response to bradley

Wouldn't the counterargument be that 1944 Dartmouth team is the most successful, since they lost in overtime in the finals?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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05-18-16 06:36 PM - Post#207099    
    In response to mrjames

As much as I would LOVE to see Wendell Carter and/or Mohammed Bamba taking their meals in Annenberg next year, I must say I cringe at the thought of Harvard with a 'one and done.' I guess it must already take place in hockey. Wonder if admissions will allow it?





 
Old Bear 
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05-18-16 08:09 PM - Post#207101    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Rudy LaRusso's Dartmouth team was pretty deep. I think he played a few in the NBA, as well.

 
Tiger69 
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05-19-16 01:46 AM - Post#207104    
    In response to mrjames

Wow! They are smart dudes! Planning to graduate in two semesters, even from Hahvud, is quite a feat. Or will they be taking their classes over the Internet while they are playing their first few years in the NBA? Hahvud will have advanced to the lofty heights of the University of Phoenix.


 
sparman 
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05-19-16 06:14 PM - Post#207138    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

While going this route pretty much nukes the whole stated Ivy commitment to academics thing once and for all, how would the admissions department ever prevent or enforce such a thing? Put the prospects on the lie detector and ask them their intentions?

 
TheLine 
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05-20-16 10:04 AM - Post#207146    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
As much as I would LOVE to see Wendell Carter and/or Mohammed Bamba taking their meals in Annenberg next year, I must say I cringe at the thought of Harvard with a 'one and done.' I guess it must already take place in hockey. Wonder if admissions will allow it?



I'm with you. A line has to be drawn somewhere, though there's the counter-argument that Harvard has had a number of highly successful dropouts.

There's a reasonable chance of changes to athletic recruiting if it happens, if only as a reaction to the inevitable backlash. There would be a 100% certainty of changes if it was happening at a lesser Ivy, just like the response to the Daly/Weinhauer teams of the '70s.


 
SomeGuy 
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05-20-16 11:00 AM - Post#207149    
    In response to Tiger69

Well, Chris Young was able to work out getting his degree despite getting drafted early and losing 2 years of basketball eligibility. I wouldn't just presume that a guy choosing Harvard with professional aspirations will handle things differently from a guy choosing Princeton. While Harvard has obviously upped the basketball profile a lot, I still don't think kids are choosing Harvard simply because it is the best basketball situation for them -- the academics and brand are a big part of the appeal. I really don't think anyone is going to be choosing Harvard just to not go to class for a year and head to the NBA.

 
mrjames 
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05-20-16 02:57 PM - Post#207156    
    In response to SomeGuy

Bingo.

I take a lot of offense to the comments made regarding elite basketball talents with NBA Draft potential. I actually find them to be borderline racist, as they place implicit assumptions on motivations that seem to be formed through stereotypes rather than an understanding of the individual him or herself.

If we ever had student-athletes who posted a 0.0 GPA in the spring because they knew they were one and done and just gave up on school, fine. At that point, you are free to criticize the admission of that student athlete and the motivations of all involved. But to do so prior to knowing anything other than race and extracurricular activity is, to me, offensive.

 
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