palestra38
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Re: predictions for this year 09-22-16 03:31 PM - Post#210740
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Who has the two of them(Rothschild and Dwyer) playing at the same time? I have one of them with 3 of Howard, Brodeur, Wood, MacDonald, Sam Jones and Hamilton and 1 of Silpe or Donahue.
That's not necessarily such a bad team.
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SomeGuy
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Re: predictions for this year 09-22-16 03:37 PM - Post#210741
In response to palestra38
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the offense changes without DNH, and with better shooters. Last year, he was a huge focal point in terms of how the ball moved, and it often seemed that it didn't move as well without him (or when teams got focused at knocking him off his spots). Donahue seemed bound and determined to bang the players into his offense, which suggests that he wants the 5 to do the things DNH did. That said, it could be that the approach was actually driven by DNH's skillset, and that he will do something different with Rothschild and Brodeur.
One thing to keep in mind -- that ORAT hopefully would go up if it really works the way you suggest. If he's only banging and finishing around the basket, his percentages ought to go up. Got to figure out the free throws, though, as they could scuttle his efficiency even if he's just getting dunks and layups.
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SomeGuy
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Re: predictions for this year 09-22-16 03:43 PM - Post#210742
In response to palestra38
I think PennFan10 has Rothschild and Dwyer playing together.
My guess continues to be similar to your guess. Only difference is that I think Donahue will be the one small guard in the 2-4 mix, rather than a PG. So I'd stick him in your group there (and take out Hamilton, unfortunately) and say that Silpe and Foreman are the PGs.
I do agree that Donahue at PG would help with our defensive size issue (just in the sense that it would leave one little guy in the lineup rather than 2 or 3), and help immensely with our shooting issue at that spot (where Silpe, Foreman, and Woods all need to get much better to play the way I think the Coach wants to). I'm just not sure that Donahue has the quickness, handle, and vision for it. He seems to me to be a 2 guard in a point guard body (something we've had a lot of over the last 10 years).
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palestra38
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Re: predictions for this year 09-22-16 04:13 PM - Post#210746
In response to SomeGuy
Maybe we have someone else who can play PG, but with exception of teams that themselves play 2 small guards, we cannot have Jackson and Silpe playing together for major minutes.
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coins
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Re: predictions for this year 09-22-16 05:15 PM - Post#210751
In response to palestra38
P38:
Apart from Gaines, I've generally been in agreement with your posts. Here too. I have no idea how good we will be or the minutes guys will play. Nor do I know how coach's vision will play out. I am pretty sure his vision has Caleb with a ton of minutes or he wouldn't have bought him here as a junior. I think his vision has McD with a a lot of playing time. There is not much room for Jackson D and Silpe on the floor at the same time.
Personally, Dwyer does not impress me. I expect Howard at thge 4 a lot and Jones at 3/4. If ready Brodeur will be the 5 with prayers beyond.
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DJ Jazzy Jeff
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09-22-16 07:48 PM - Post#210763
In response to coins
Ok, I'll take a stab at it... Keep in mind I'm not going to use stats that nobody understands, rather I'll use the good old fashioned eye test (mine of course). My guess that AJ or Max (probably AJ) will start at the 5 and then there will be 4 guards with him. AJ, Matt Howard, Matt MacDonald, Jackson Donahue and Jake Silpe (until Antonio returns). Subs would be Max Rothschild, Sam Jones, Tyler Hamilton, Ray Jerome, Ryan Betley and Caleb Wood. The 1 inside player and 4 guards is what Steve likes to run and more teams are going to this type of offense (ala the GS Warriors). This creates huge mismatches, the opportunity to push the ball, and of course more opportunities to shoot the 3. I think Darnell and Jake's (and sometimes Tyler) lack of 3 point ability will hinder them in the offense however Tyler makes up more than the other 2 with his size, athleticism and defensive ability. Collin is probably the next big off the bench as well.
Penn more than likely battles Columbia for the 4th spot and with the new coach there, I'm not sure if that's a plus or minus for their program/players. I do however feel that Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell are still behind Penn.
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PennFan10
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09-22-16 07:50 PM - Post#210764
In response to coins
Great discussion. To be clear, I don't think Dwyer and Max play much together. I just think they will both be better versions of themselves with more defined and expanded roles so last year's efficiency stats could be misleading. Dwyer is a good defensive big who can block shots but he was really ineffective offensively last year.
SD will sometimes play w 2 bigs but usually only when the other team has size (George Mason, Yale, Dartmouth last year). I also agree MacDonald and Wood take up major minutes.
Besides Brodeur I think Goodman and Betley have the best chance to contribute as Freshmen. Goodman could be the defensive point guard we need and Betley is a lights out shooter who has more defensive ability than SAM Jones.
( sidebar: Penn Pal, apologies if I was condescending. I was mainly just messing with you. I appreciate your contributions and will use more discretion going forward)
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Buckeye Quake
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09-23-16 02:53 PM - Post#210791
In response to PennFan10
Hey you think it's easy being the board curmudgeon? Lol! Not a problem my friend. We all have the same passion here and we all want the same thing. The difference lies in how we express it. I gotta admit a little positivity on my part wouldn't hurt. Although all bets are off it we miss on Whyte and or Simmons.
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PennFan10
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10-28-16 12:45 PM - Post#212052
In response to Buckeye Quake
This pretty much confirms Matt MacDonald as a major contributor of minutes this year:
http://www.pennathletics.com/news/howard-macdonald ...
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Silver Maple
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10-28-16 12:50 PM - Post#212053
In response to PennFan10
Not necessarily. Past Penn teams have had captains who spent their entire careers way down at the end of the bench.
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palestra38
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10-28-16 01:03 PM - Post#212055
In response to Silver Maple
But do you actually think a transfer would be named a captain if he weren't going to play? That honor belongs to 4 year bench guys with great attitudes.
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PennFan10
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10-28-16 04:57 PM - Post#212071
In response to palestra38
Agree with this
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Silver Maple
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10-28-16 05:03 PM - Post#212072
In response to PennFan10
Yes, that would probably be unlikely. So let's hope Mcdonald starts, pays a lot of minutes, and is a total killer.
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palestra38
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10-28-16 05:04 PM - Post#212073
In response to Silver Maple
Our only chance to make the Ivy tournament this year is if the two transfers and the hot-shot freshman are all that. Otherwise, we look like what KenPom thinks we are---terrible.
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Buckeye Quake
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10-28-16 07:16 PM - Post#212075
In response to palestra38
And the coach shows that he can coach. Sorry, I'm just not a believer.
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palestra38
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10-28-16 08:14 PM - Post#212077
In response to Buckeye Quake
Guy won 3 straight Ivy titles and was an assistant on another team that won 3 straight. He can coach. He also had better results with less talent than the coach he replaced, having lost by far his best player. Can he recruit to the level necessary in 2016? Only time will tell.
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Buckeye Quake
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10-28-16 11:16 PM - Post#212082
In response to palestra38
I guess you'll be on his Christmas card list.
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PennFan10
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10-29-16 10:14 AM - Post#212086
In response to Buckeye Quake
When P38 is the positive one that means we have a new low on the optimism meter!
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