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05-25-17 12:22 PM - Post#229656
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Podcast on Mike's season stats and contract prospects. Segment starts around 7:30.
They're projecting $6-7 million for 3 years, but maybe as high at $10 million. Mind boggling.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2017/5/25/15688568/a...
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Bison137
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Mike Muscala 2016-17 05-25-17 12:30 PM - Post#229657
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That might work but I think he'll command a bit more.
If Mike can sustain his current level of play, I think he will command far more than that, closer to 3 years for $24 million total. I looked at comparable PFs and smaller centers aged 24-29 who signed new contracts in the offseason. They are listed below, along with their contracts and selected stats for the year immediately prior to signing the contract. (Mike's stats are for this year - since this is the year just prior to his new contract.)
Name.../... Contract.../.Height,Age /MPG/PPG/RPG/APG/PER./Win Shares
Mike Muscala/ . . ? . ? . . /6-11,25 /21.4/8.3/3.8/1.7/15.4//3-4 (est)
Miles Plumlee/4 yrs, $52M/6-11,28 /14.3/5.1/3.8/0.3/17.4/2.2
Jon Leuer/4 yrs, $42M/6-10,27 /18.7/8.5/5.6/1.1/16.2/2.7
M eyers Leonard/4 yrs, $41M/7-0,24 /21.9/8.4/5.1/1.5/11.3/2.2
Dwight Powell/4 yrs, $37M/6-11,25 /21.3/7.6/4.8/0.9/16.8/3.1
Andrew Nicholson/4 yrs, $26M/6-9,27 /14.7/6.7/3.6/0.4/14.8/0.6
Darrell Arthur/3 yrs, $23M/6-9,28 /21.7/7.4/4.2/1.4/12.5/2.3
Cole Aldrich/ 3yrs, $22M/6-11, 28 /13.3/5.5/4.8/0.8/21.3/3.5
Tyler Zeller/2 yrs, $16M/7-0,26 /11.8/6.5/3.0/0.5/15.4/1.7
Tarik Black/2 yrs, $12.5/6-9,25 /12.9/3.6/4.0/0.4/12.3/0.7
Notes: PER is a metric that tries to incorporate every statistical category into one overall stat. Win shares attempts to measure how many wins each player is responsible for.
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Looking purely at the stats, Mike is clearly better than Nicholson, Arthur, Zeller, and Black. He is not far behind the others, with rebounding being the only issue. However Mike is a better shooter than any on the list - which should narrow the gap. Defense is an issue compared to some, but not all.
Opinions?
Bringing forward this list of the contracts of Centers/PF's similar to Mike. Some of them are clearly not as good.
Edited by Bison137 on 05-25-17 12:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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jkrun80
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05-25-17 01:59 PM - Post#229673
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Looking at this list, something in the 8-10 million per year range looks more likely.
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05-25-17 02:20 PM - Post#229675
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Six figure salaries are fairly common in the "real world", but the idea of earning $8,000,000-$10,000,000 per year is just plain insane. (I typed out the numbers so that we can truly appreciate the amount of cash involved.) That being said, personally, I cannot ever fault anybody for earning as much as possible. I hope that Mike maximizes his contract by getting a few different teams who make offers.
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05-25-17 03:51 PM - Post#229682
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Six figure salaries are fairly common in the "real world", but the idea of earning $8,000,000-$10,000,000 per year is just plain insane.
It took most of my career to get to a six figure salary. Mike is going to make more in a year than I will make in my entire life. Good for him, but "insane" is an appropriate description.
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05-25-17 10:51 PM - Post#229690
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The insane part, to me, is the relatively low level stats required to earn $6-10 million per season. I wish Mike all the best and hope he capitalizes on his opportunity, but gosh, that kind of money for pedestrian stats and not even being a full time rotation player is crazy. No wonder the average person needs to take a loan out to see an NBA game in person.
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05-26-17 11:44 AM - Post#229698
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MrPhillie, have you seen any of the Groupon prices for Sixers or Phillies tickets recently? Our entire office just went to a Phillies' game 2 weeks ago on Dollar Dog Night for only $10 each!
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05-26-17 04:21 PM - Post#229701
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Six figure salaries are fairly common in the "real world", but the idea of earning $8,000,000-$10,000,000 per year is just plain insane. (I typed out the numbers so that we can truly appreciate the amount of cash involved.) That being said, personally, I cannot ever fault anybody for earning as much as possible. I hope that Mike maximizes his contract by getting a few different teams who make offers.
Speaking of huge salaries, Bucknellians ranked 1st and 9th on Bloomberg's list of the top ten highest-paid executives for 2016. Marc Lore '93 received about $237 Million for the year and Les Moonves '71 earned about $86.5 Million. Lore will receive similar compensation for the next four years as part of the sale of his Jet.com to Walmart. He is now CEO of Jet.com and also CEO of Walmart.com. (See previous thread.) Moonves recently signed a new contract that should keep his compensation over $75 Million through 2021.
Bloomberg Top 10 Highest-Paid Executives for 2016
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MrPhillie
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05-27-17 10:48 PM - Post#229709
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Nice night out for $10! Even though the Phils are terrible yet again. Basketball tickets are typically expensive for the average Joe, or Bill or Dan or Jill. When players averaging 10-12 minutes get $8-10 million, somebody has to pay.
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Bison137
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06-02-17 12:20 AM - Post#229787
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Here is a lengthy podcast from Peachtree Hoops evaluating Mike's season and his value to the Hawks:
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2017/5/25/15688568/a... (scroll to 7:20 on the audio - runs for 9+ minutes)
They point out that after the All Star break the Hawks were +7.0 with Mike on the floor. According to them, "Mike Muscala enjoyed the best year of his career by a considerable margin." They speculate he might be worth 3 years at $18 Million, which I think is likely a bit low.
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06-04-17 06:59 PM - Post#229838
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Mike got engaged recently to an Atlanta-area resident who is a "fashion stylist".
https://twitter.com/mikemuscala/status/87 138926004...
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06-05-17 11:06 AM - Post#229847
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Better get that pre-nup in place before the mega contract is signed . . . .
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06-05-17 11:02 PM - Post#229861
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Just FYI, Mike was very offended at that exact comment on Twitter.
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06-06-17 08:12 AM - Post#229863
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Reality sucks, but we all have to deal with it.
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06-06-17 11:18 AM - Post#229867
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Just FYI, Mike was very offended at that exact comment on Twitter.
Probably not something most people like to see in writing, but I'd be surprised if both Mike's agent and his attorney haven't spoken to him about pre-nups as well.
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06-06-17 09:37 PM - Post#229872
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Always advisable but no ones business to comment on twitter.
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06-20-17 09:01 PM - Post#230239
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Here's very nice video of MM highlights from this past season. Just went up on youtube today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKk7Qza3_-g
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Mike Muscala 2016-17 06-20-17 09:54 PM - Post#230240
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Interesting that Atl just traded Dwight Howard and 31st pick to Charlotte for Miles Plumee, Marco Belinelli and 41st pick. Plumlee and Muscala kinda play the same position although Plumlee is prob listed as a Center. His career hasn't produced great results but apparently you don't have to be great to get a great contract.
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06-20-17 10:04 PM - Post#230241
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That trade is a combination of a salary dump and an indictment of Howard's value. If it wasn't already apparent, this confirms they are going to let Millsap go. Maybe some sort of sign and trade.
If Mike re-signs with Atlanta, he will be a starter.
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06-20-17 10:34 PM - Post#230243
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......on a terrible team.
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