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Username Post: Harvard Suspends Soccer Team and Forfeits All Remaining Games        (Topic#19424)
palestra38 
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11-04-16 12:18 PM - Post#212511    

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/harvard-soccer -team-r...



 
Silver Maple 
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11-04-16 12:30 PM - Post#212514    
    In response to palestra38

I'm just going to say that I'm really glad I'm not in college now.


 
SRP 
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11-04-16 01:04 PM - Post#212515    
    In response to Silver Maple

Careful SM, the board's thought police may get you.

 
palestra38 
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11-04-16 01:17 PM - Post#212517    
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Who is that? I certainly would have had trouble based on my 1970s behavior if this is the standard as well. I had Playboy centerfolds lining my living room above the molding---and had a girlfriend too (she didn't mind). It seems to me that something more should be necessary for this drastic action.

 
SRP 
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11-05-16 11:49 PM - Post#212575    
    In response to palestra38

I was threatened with banning here when we discussed whether the Penn AD might have had a leg up in hiring because of her gender. Some topics are apparently too sensitive to broach.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-06-16 03:39 PM - Post#212588    
    In response to palestra38

Thought police here. Some of the articles on this suggest that part of the problem was the response from the team. So in addition to the bad behavior, there appears to have been a misrepresentation as to whether the behavior was isolated or ongoing. So that is something more.



 
SRP 
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11-06-16 03:57 PM - Post#212590    
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If they didn't try to minimize their participation in this activity, given the climate on campus, then they would either be brave defenders of free speech or naive idiots. In general, lying about doing something legal but embarrassing that arguably is nobody else's business would be expected behavior

 
SomeGuy 
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11-06-16 11:48 PM - Post#212602    
    In response to SRP

An understandable reaction, perhaps, but also not the reaction you want to have if you want to avoid something like getting your season cancelled.



 
Jeff2sf 
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11-07-16 10:58 AM - Post#212616    
    In response to SomeGuy

I think if this was at the beginning of the season, the whole season may not have been canceled. The kids acted like buttholes, they deserved some punishment.

It makes me wince when we go from this to slippery slope to Brock Turner or whatever. That feels too far. Boys and Girls have been rating each others' looks since college started.

 
mrjames 
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11-07-16 11:59 AM - Post#212619    
    In response to Jeff2sf

When I was in college, Mark Zuckerberg created FaceMash or something similarly titled that compared two female co-eds house facebook photos (back when facebook didn't mean The Facebook but a bunch of webpages of a directory with photos).

Mark wasn't expelled, only given some form of probation by the ad board (I forget the specifics) and frankly IIRC I think the sexism side of what he did was less an issue than the security breaches.

I'm okay with the season being cancelled, as I believe that the treatment of women as objects in such a detailed and systematic way is deserving of such a harsh punishment. I will be dismayed however, if this begins and ends with sports teams, as if the campus culture is still the same as when I was there over a decade ago, this type of objectification spans far beyond sports.

 
SRP 
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11-07-16 07:18 PM - Post#212651    
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The meta-language in the original report suggested that this was some sort of team tradition assigned to a newer member as a rite of passage. The prevalence of various such "bonding rituals" is one reason I was never remotely attracted to participating in team sports.

That said, this is a ridiculous and sanctimonious reaction by the administration. "Objectification" (and sometimes wanting to be "objectified") are a normal part of human social behavior. Was this expression crass and crude and embarrassing? Yes, which is why they were idiots to leave it accessible online, but clearly the team had no intent of publicizing this material in a way that would "harass" anyone. (The embarrassing nature of it is probably part of why it was an "inside" team ritual.)

Does anyone think that women don't also engage in raunchy "objectifying" talk about men? Including women on athletic teams? And is the issue that the team wrote it down, instead of leaving it for oral banter that would go unrecorded?

Or is the alleged evil that they even thought about the relative attractiveness of these women?

Perhaps from now on Harvard women should wear narrow red sashes wound around their waists a few times.

 
Silver Maple 
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11-07-16 08:58 PM - Post#212661    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:

Does anyone think that women don't also engage in raunchy "objectifying" talk about men? I




I certainly hope so.

 
Old Bear 
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11-08-16 08:44 PM - Post#212736    
    In response to Silver Maple

Agreed, Mapes. And well played.


 
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