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Username Post: Mason Out for 2016-2017 Season        (Topic#19449)
rbg 
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11-09-16 02:02 PM - Post#212770    

The news that Makai Mason has injured his foot and is going to miss the upcoming season was posted in a couple of different spots yesterday.

A post at NBC's College Basketball Talk notes that Mason injured his foot during a weekend scrimmage against Boston University. The author's source mentioned that Mason dislocated a toe, suffered fractures in his foot and had ligament damage. He will undergo surgery and require 5 months of recovery.

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/11/09/...

Looking at Yale's Absence Policy, it would appear that Mason could apply for a Medical Withdrawal. If approved, he would need to stay away for one full term, not including the term in which withdrawal occurred.

http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/academic-regulat ions/...

If Mason applies for the withdrawal before the end of this semester, he could come back for the Fall of 2017. If he waits until the beginning of the Spring Term, he could return at the beginning of the Spring of 2018. If he decides to stay in school, then he would graduate in the Spring of 2018 and have a year of eligibility as a Graduate Transfer.

Edited by rbg on 11-09-16 02:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Re: Mason Out for 2016-2017 Season
11-09-16 02:14 PM - Post#212773    
    In response to rbg

First of all, this is a horrible blow for Yale and the rest of the league. I'm sure we all wish him a full and healthy recovery.

Mason may have a bit of a different angle than Rosenberg or Chambers did. Remember, he applied for the NBA draft this past spring. Although likely not a serious choice at the time, it does indicate an interest and timing perspective. I think there is a unique chance for him to graduate on time and, depending on his health and draft stock, play professionally somewhere or transfer to a Big 5 school, hoping to to improve his options.

Regardless, just terrible news.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Mason Out for 2016-2017 Season
11-09-16 02:28 PM - Post#212776    
    In response to rbg

I'll ask my standard question on this -- does Yale make you leave school in order to preserve eligibility, or can you take five years to graduate? In other words, does Mason have to leave school in order to have two more years at Yale?

I understand that there are financial incentives to leaving school, and there are also reasons to stay in school, graduate on time, and save that fifth year for grad school (like Grant Mullins did). However, there are some Ivy schools where you MUST leave school in order to preserve the 4th year of eligibility (Princeton definitely has the rule). At other schools, my understanding is that the 4 in 5 rule allows you to stay in school if you like, take 5 years to graduate, and use your injury year as a 5th year senior.

Can't think of 5th year guys at Yale off the top, other than Dominick Martin, who was in school for 5 years, but transferred to Yale from Princeton and had to sit out a year.

 
mrjames 
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11-09-16 02:38 PM - Post#212779    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I hope he does not do that, but you are right that it's a possibly attractive thing to do given his pro aspirations. I *think* the Ivy has enough exposure now, though, to make the known of being the star and focal point a good enough gig to make the unknown of leaving less attractive.

That being said, if former Ivy guys continue to have success at higher levels that is similar to their Ivy contributions, that could make the Big 5 transfer situation more palatable.

My gut says they figure out a way to get him 2 more years at Yale, but I don't know.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-09-16 03:20 PM - Post#212789    
    In response to mrjames

I would guess that Mason is more likely to have a Shonn Miller impact than an Alex Mitola impact as a grad student. If that guess is correct, then he could probably go the grad student route and play at a higher level without hurting his pro prospects (and perhaps enhance them).

Will be interesting to see what Mullins and Hicks do this year, too, as that may give some more evidence as to what a 1st team All-Ivy player could do on a bigger stage.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-09-16 04:03 PM - Post#212796    
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My point was a bit different than whether it would be advisable to play his fifth/fourth year at Yale or at a Power basketball school. Mason applied for the draft this past spring. Based upon that, if he withdraws from Yale this year (which he had to do to preserve any Ivy eligibility) he would not graduate next year and thus if he wanted to go pro after graduation he would now be three (actually 2.5) years away. Given the fact that he has already shown his interest in the draft, I expect him to stay in school, play in 2017-18, and graduate from Yale in 2018. If he recovers and successfully returns he can enter the draft with a Yale degree. Or, he can take that degree and his additional year of eligibility elsewhere. The fact that Mason declared for the draft last spring is what makes his goals and priorities unique.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-09-16 05:41 PM - Post#212811    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

That's part of my question -- he doesn't have to leave school to maintain Ivy eligibility (unless the rule has changed). He can stay in school, get an injury waiver, and come back for a fifth year so long as he doesn't graduate. He may have to leave school in order to maintain eligibility to play at Yale, but that would be a Yale specific rule that says you can't take 5 years to graduate.

 
mrjames 
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11-09-16 07:03 PM - Post#212828    
    In response to SomeGuy

I believe, like Harvard, Yale has the eight-semester rule than mandates you cannot purposely delay graduation for athletic reasons. Not all Ivies have this rule, but Harvard definitely does, and I believe Yale does too.

 
bradley 
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Re: Mason Out for 2016-2017 Season
11-09-16 08:43 PM - Post#212833    
    In response to rbg

Heart breaking. His play against Baylor last Spring was crazy good, 31 points. A rare Ivy player that could get his shot off against larger, athletic defenders. Amazing competitive drive. Played great against the best guards in the Ivy League including Lo and others -- killer instinct.

Hope that he plays two more years at Yale.

 
bradley 
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09-27-17 10:06 PM - Post#233284    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Apparently, Mason has committed to Baylor for his final year of eligibility and supposedly, big time programs were actively recruiting him including Duke. You would think that he has recovered from the foot injury but it may take some time to fully recover.

He has certainly demonstrated the ability to get off a good shot against big time competition, i.e. Baylor. In a one game IL Championship game, he could well be the difference maker as who is going to stop him, i.e. Myles Stephens type of defender -- quickness plus height???

It appears that Yale's non-conference schedule is not as strong as prior years so they may have to win the IL Tournament to get a berth. I am sure that Harvard and others will do their best to negate him.

 
rbg 
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Mason Out for 2016-2017 Season
09-29-17 09:19 AM - Post#233355    
    In response to bradley

In June, the New Haven Register reported that "Mason isn’t 100-percent participating in full basketball activities just yet, but he’s getting close."

The same article noted that sophomore forward Jordan Bruner had knee surgery in April to repair his meniscus but is expected to be ready for the beginning of the regular season in November.

Looking at Bart Torvik's rankings for the end of 2015-2016 and 2016-2017, as well as the preseason for 2017-218, Yale can make the argument that its upcoming non-conference schedule (including TCU, Wisconsin, Creighton, Georgia Tech, St. Bonaventure, Vermont, Albany, Iona and Monmouth) is as strong, if not stronger, than its last two seasons.

http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-yal e-mens...

http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

Opp Ranking # of Games Against
1- 20 '15-'16 (2) '16-'17 (1) '17-'18 (1)
21-50 '15-'16 (1) '16-'17 (0) '17-'18 (1)
51-100 '15-'16 (0) '16-'17 (2) '17-'18 (4)
101-150 '15-'16 (2) '16-'17 (4) '17-'18 (3)
151-200 '15-'16 (2) '16-'17 (0) '17-'18 (0)
201-250 '15-'16 (2) '16-'17 (0) '17-'18 (1)
251-351 '15-'16 (4) '16-'17 (5) '17-'18 (5)

Yale, Harvard and Princeton all are around the Top 100 and have strong non-conference schedules. If they can win some of these marquee games, hopefully that will help the league's chances of gettting a second bid. If not, then any of these teams are going to need to win the Ivy Tournament to get the one bid.

For those top IL teams that miss out on the NCAA Tournament, the recent inclusion of former Princeton AD Gary Walters on the NIT Committee can hopefully improve the Ivy League's chances of getting 1 or more teams into that tournament.

Edited by rbg on 09-29-17 09:20 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Silver Maple 
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09-29-17 11:18 PM - Post#233373    
    In response to rbg

I'm pretty sure that there's only one Ivy institution for which Gary Walters would put his thumb on the scale.

 
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