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HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-10-16 04:44 PM - Post#212894    

Stanford favored by 4.5.

Reid Travis back, healthy and hit 9 of 10 shots in 40+ point win vs local Chinese opponent. Jonah, couldn't you have exerted some positive guidance over your naive little brother and gotten him to Cambridge?

This matchup poses an interesting question for Harvard: who matches up against Travis? Zena is the best defender, and would normally guard a 6'8" go to big, but Stanford has size beyond Travis. Can Egi handle Travis? Can Harvard afford to move Zena over? Will Zena get in foul trouble? From what I saw, Baker and Welsh are not ready to defend this level of talent, maybe Lewis?

Scouting Alert: Travis shot less than 50% from the FT line each of the past two seasons.


Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 11-10-16 04:45 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
mrjames 
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11-10-16 04:50 PM - Post#212895    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Seems like a point or two too much relative to the preseason rankings, but I think that's fair given how many unknowns there are for Harvard.

 
bradley 
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Re: Stanford
11-10-16 05:46 PM - Post#212911    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Will be very interesting game to watch Harvard freshmen hit the floor for the first time. Could be the start of something very special over the next four years for the Crimson. For the Ivy League, it would be a nice start if Harvard wins or plays very competitively.

 
H78 
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Re: Stanford
11-11-16 03:13 AM - Post#212935    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I like your insight on Reid Travis, HGD. Given Harvard's lineup and experience, he may be the toughest matchup, with his size, skill set and general "Travis-ness." Unclear (to me, anyway) who'll be the "other" forward in TA's starting lineup. I like either Baker or Lewis, depending on who matches up better with Stanford's 4. This also looks like Towns will get some time at the 3, especially if Corey's matchup guy starts out-muscling or blowing by him.

Regarding Reid Travis' Harvard potential, I think he was more interested in athletic scholarship schools, and Harvard was still 1-2 years away from getting Top-100 recruits, Zena being the exception, rather than the rule.

Though there wasn't a box score I could find from Stanfords exhibition blowout against Shanghai Jiao Tong University, if this is Stanford's starting lineup, based on their top scorers, they've definitely got size, and Harvard will benefit from really good 3-point shooting that opens up the floor,and being able to hold its own on defense against a bigger opponent:

Dorian Pickens G/F 6'5" 215 lbs
11

Marcus Sheffield G/F 6'5" 180 lbs
14

Michael Humphrey F 6'9" 220 lbs
10

Reid Travis F 6'8" 245 lbs
22

Grant Verhoeven C 6'9" 250 lbs
30


 
H78 
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Re: Stanford
11-12-16 12:15 AM - Post#213079    
    In response to bradley

Harvard off to a somewhat disjointed start. Not enough passing, esp. Zena.

Starting 5
Zena
Egi
Towns
Corey
Siyani

TA Quickly subs in Aiken. Going smaller as Stanford did. Reid Travis gonna be a beast...Also see Towns, Lewis and Juzang getting early minutes.

Really like how TA is freely subbing in to see who works well together.

Nice block by Zena of 7 footer Sharma's "free" look.

Really impressed with H freshmen talent level.

P.S. Unfortunately, they're getting great open looks but they're not converting.

 
CrimsonWest 
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Re: Stanford
11-12-16 01:01 AM - Post#213086    
    In response to H78

I think we are seeing the future today. Freshmen have 21 of 28 points in the first half. Fouls have some impact, but there seems to be at least 3/4 freshmen on the floor at all times. Siyani and Zena spending a lot of time on the bench. H has kept it close, let's see what the second half brings.

 
H78 
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Re: Stanford
11-12-16 01:11 AM - Post#213088    
    In response to CrimsonWest

Agree.

Worried about seeing our 1st half stats, esp shooting and FT%.

30% from the field, 57% from FT. Also, not getting enough 2nd chance looks.

 
mrjames 
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11-12-16 01:26 AM - Post#213090    
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No surprise that a bunch of new people are struggling to run the motion offense. It's the right offense for the level of creativity Harvard will have later in the year, but it'll be this ugly as they're learning...

 
CrimsonWest 
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11-12-16 01:33 AM - Post#213092    
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I think I have finally gotten over my sense of deja vu every time the camera shows Reid Travis.

 
H78 
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11-12-16 01:34 AM - Post#213093    
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  • CrimsonWest Said:
I think I have finally gotten over my sense of deja vu every time the camera shows Reid Travis.

Ha! Jonah 2.0, longer version.


 
CrimsonWest 
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11-12-16 02:15 AM - Post#213095    
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I hope there is nothing seriously wrong with Siyani

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-12-16 02:29 AM - Post#213096    
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CW, I agree with you.
He looked devastated until he got up.

 
digamma 
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11-12-16 11:04 AM - Post#213121    
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We've got athletes. Now we just need to figure out how they play together.

I feel like if that is a late December game it is a different result.

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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Re: Stanford
11-12-16 12:20 PM - Post#213132    
    In response to CrimsonWest

  • CrimsonWest Said:
I think we are seeing the future today. Freshmen have 21 of 28 points in the first half. Fouls have some impact, but there seems to be at least 3/4 freshmen on the floor at all times. Siyani and Zena spending a lot of time on the bench. H has kept it close, let's see what the second half brings.



It looks like Amaker is creating the IVY version of High Major's utilization of impact freshman.
"...no excuses - only results!”


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-12-16 12:28 PM - Post#213134    
    In response to digamma

Had that very same feeling. Way too soon for seven newbies to be on the same page, especially with a PG returning from a year off. Looked up at the half and couldn't believe Stanford was only up by 2. Hope Tommy figures out a way to involve Zena and Corey in future games (3 pts). Rebounding, interior defense and three point shooting (Corbin? Tommy Mac?) were concerning.


I watched the game on a slight delay as I suffered through a dreadful football performance against Penn (after a valiant comeback). I knew this would be a strange night when 20 minutes after the game started - but before I turned to the game - I received a text asking: "Who's Welsh?" Didn't expect that.

Having said that, my (other) son at an ACC school called at 1:30AM telling me that he couldn't believe how athletic Harvard is. His point of reference was the fact that he had just come back from his squad's opening game.

I'm sure the offense will get in sync. I'm still as concerned about defense as I was when I wondered here prior to the game who would handle Travis. For what it's worth, I had also pointed out Travis' foul shooting issues (he was 10-19) but expressed concern that Zena might end up in foul trouble. Also noticed Stanford post Aiken
whenever it could. I

Again, thanks for the tournament (this year)! The talent is there, four months to get it together.

Hope Siyani is OK. Our hearts sunk watching him seemingly despondent under the basket.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-12-16 12:53 PM - Post#213135    
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Scheduling Question

I believe because of this trip Harvard couldn't play in a holiday tournament. I wonder if working out the numerous kinks against an light OOC schedule before taking this same squad but with 60 days of experience to a tropical locale in late December might have been considered.

I'd like to see this game replayed then.

On the other hand, Harvard further brought it's brand to China. Does Yao have any offspring?

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 11-12-16 12:54 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Mike Porter 
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11-12-16 03:45 PM - Post#213140    
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Serious question: was Bill Walton paid by the mention by Alibaba? He said it so often, sometimes he ran out of a reason and literally just said "Alibaba..." going into a break.

Also, I'm not sure... did Bill Walton go to Disney there?

 
PennFan10 
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11-12-16 04:07 PM - Post#213141    
    In response to digamma

  • digamma Said:
We've got athletes. Now we just need to figure out how they play together.

I feel like if that is a late December game it is a different result.



Doesn't it stand to reason Stanford may be a bit better, under a new head coach, in December as well?


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-12-16 04:55 PM - Post#213143    
    In response to PennFan10

Stanford started three juniors and two seniors. 60% of Harvard's minutes went to Freshmen playing their first collegiate game. No coaching changes that.

Harvard's three non-freshman leaders either experienced foul trouble (Zena, Corey) and Siyani saw his first game action in 20 months.

I'd take Harvard in December - and the next three years as well.

 
mrjames 
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11-12-16 08:11 PM - Post#213147    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Because of the trip, Harvard was not permitted to do its 1-in-4 foreign tour. The NCAA would have allowed this not to count, but it counts as such under Ivy rules. Harvard cannot play in an MTE this year because it played in ones in 13-14 and 15-16 and the Ivy has a 2-in-4 policy there (NCAA allows one per year). It will play in one next year that should be announced soon!

 
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