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Username Post: Around the Patriot League 2016-17        (Topic#19463)
HuskyColonial 
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02-12-17 06:55 PM - Post#221603    
    In response to jkrun80

Well said

 
Bison137 
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02-12-17 07:26 PM - Post#221606    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
Keep in mind, Lehigh was a near unanimous pick to win the league. And here they are mired in 4th with 4 games to play. Great players make the players around them better. Kempton does not.



For those who have forgotten, Lehigh was one vote short of being a unanimous pick. This is what the poll results looked like:

2016-17 Patriot League Preseason Poll Points
1. Lehigh (17 first place votes) 161
2. Boston University (3) 139
3. Bucknell 132
4. Holy Cross 115
5. American 86
6. Colgate 83
7. Loyola Maryland 69
8. Navy 49
9. Lafayette 43
10. Army West Point 23

The biggest underachievers, based on the poll, are Lehigh and American, although American has a bit of an excuse having lost a big man to injury. Navy is clearly the biggest overachiever, with the Bison being second in that category.




 
Bison89 
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02-12-17 09:28 PM - Post#221623    
    In response to jkrun80

Lehigh scored only 45 points! That is crazy. Whatever HC did, I hope that Coach Davis studies and learns from the game film.
Shall we DANCE?


 
HuskyColonial 
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02-12-17 09:57 PM - Post#221629    
    In response to Bison89

We have the ability to play a strong zone. I'm not sure what the thinking is but I'm not a Division I basketball coach either.

 
jkrun80 
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02-12-17 10:11 PM - Post#221632    
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  • Bison89 Said:
Lehigh scored only 45 points! That is crazy. Whatever HC did, I hope that Coach Davis studies and learns from the game film.


They were down 61-39 until both coaches cleared the bench with 1:30 to play. They were stuck on 35 for more than 5 minutes from 10:28 to 5:10. I don't know if it was the HC defense, but Lehigh's shooting was terrible.

 
Bison137 
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02-12-17 10:42 PM - Post#221637    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
  • Bison89 Said:
Lehigh scored only 45 points! That is crazy. Whatever HC did, I hope that Coach Davis studies and learns from the game film.


They were down 61-39 until both coaches cleared the bench with 1:30 to play. They were stuck on 35 for more than 5 minutes from 10:28 to 5:10. I don't know if it was the HC defense, but Lehigh's shooting was terrible.



I think a lot of it was the HC zone. Every Lehigh loss in league play this year has been against a team that used primarily zone. They don't seem to have any idea how to attack one.




 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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02-12-17 10:54 PM - Post#221638    
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  • Bison137 Said:
Every Lehigh loss in league play this year has been against a team that used primarily zone. They don't seem to have any idea how to attack one.


Meanwhile, at this very moment in Bethlehem, Dr Reed is typing "how to beat a zone defense" into a Google search box.


 
VoiceofNavySports 
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02-13-17 07:30 AM - Post#221648    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

Holy Cross at times in that 1-3-1 can put great length on the floor to make it hard to shoot over. You must breakdown the top of the defense and attack the 1-3-1 to the short corners. That man must be willing passer so he can attack or pass out of the short corner to opposite side.

Once you fall behind against HC, you are in trouble since they are one of the slowest playing teams in the country.



 
HuskyColonial 
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02-13-17 07:31 AM - Post#221649    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

Hahahahahahahahahaha! The good Dr. knows all.

 
VoiceofNavySports 
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02-13-17 10:21 AM - Post#221666    
    In response to HuskyColonial

Updated RPI as of this morning..
Bucknell 85
Lehigh 116
navy 185
BU 188

 
Bison89 
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02-13-17 11:05 AM - Post#221681    
    In response to VoiceofNavySports

RPI is fun to follow. It is a fairly good indication of overall league strength and where each individual team stands. As always, it is all going to come down to the PL Tournament. The NIT is nice, but I really want to dance this year.

Go Bison!
Shall we DANCE?


 
HuskyColonial 
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02-13-17 07:57 PM - Post#221754    
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One point iof clarification however. If you were a PL team and had a choice of Thomas or Foulland on your roster, who picks Thomas? IMHO no one. Foulland is the alternative MVP of the PL.

 
bison63 
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02-14-17 09:58 AM - Post#221784    
    In response to HuskyColonial

Yes! Taking nothing away from Zach, big strong centers are a precious commodity in the PL.

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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02-14-17 05:47 PM - Post#221818    
    In response to bison63

Remaining games for top contenders:

BUCKNELL (12-2): @Loyola, @BostonU, Lafayette, Navy

BOSTON (10-4): @Colgate, Bucknell, @Army, @Holy Cross

NAVY (10-4): @Lehigh, Army, American, @Bucknell

LEHIGH (8-6): Navy, @Lafayette, Colgate, Army

 
HuskyColonial 
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02-14-17 07:17 PM - Post#221824    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

Neither Zach or Nana have a good handle though.

Edited by HuskyColonial on 02-14-17 07:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
jkrun80 
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2016-17
02-14-17 09:50 PM - Post#221837    
    In response to HuskyColonial

  • HuskyColonial Said:
Neither Zach or Nana have a good handle though.


I would agree that Zach has a lot of turnovers for his position at 82. Looking at comparable players, Jarred Jones has 66 for example. Zach has far more than last year as well.

I disagree about Nana though. He has 58 compared to 80 for Kempton. Given the amount he touches the ball and the number of double-teams, he does all right.

 
Bison137 
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02-14-17 10:14 PM - Post#221841    
    In response to jkrun80

I think these comments are a bit unfair to Zach. He is asked to make a lot of tough entry passes to Nana, passes that no other PF in the league is asked to attempt, and he does a good job of it. In fact he is 11th in the PL in assists and only one non-PG has more assists than him. To put his assists in some perspective, he is averaging twice as many assists as any other Bison power forward who has played in the decade. Also more assists than any Bison PF going back 20'years.




 
jkrun80 
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02-14-17 10:29 PM - Post#221843    
    In response to Bison137

I wasn't bashing Zach by any means. He is probably the most versatile player in the league.

You make a good point 137 about his assists. His TO numbers don't look good, but when you consider what he's expected to do it's understandable.

 
Bison137 
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02-14-17 11:10 PM - Post#221852    
    In response to jkrun80

  • jkrun80 Said:


You make a good point 137 about his assists. His TO numbers don't look good, but when you consider what he's expected to do it's understandable.




Agree. To put it in perspective, Zach is one of only five players in the league, other than PG's, to have a higher assist rate than turnover rate (Pomeroy stats). No other Bison, other than Stephen Brown, can claim this honor.




 
Bucknellbisonfan21 
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02-15-17 04:16 PM - Post#221925    
    In response to Bison89

If we want Lehigh to be on the other side of the bracket, I think tonight is a must win for them vs Navy. Given how easy Lehigh's remaining schedule appears to be on paper, I think they have a better chance to move up to the 3 seed than fall back to the 6. In all likelyhood they won't be able to pass Bucknell or Boston so getting ahead of Navy is only way that they can get to the 3.

It's possible that with the way the schedule sets up, that Bucknell could possibly be playing a meaningless game vs Navy in the last regular season game, with the fate of Lehigh's seed potentially in their control.

However Lehigh plays a night game for their last game so they could potentially be in a situation where if they win they get the 3 and could possibly play Boston in the second round, who owns them. Or they could lose and be the 4 seed and possibly play Bucknell in the second round, whom Lehigh owns. Would be interesting to see that scenario play out.

All this thinking makes my head hurt, maybe I should just watch the games and let the pieces fall how they may.

 
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