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Username Post: Around the Patriot League 2016-17        (Topic#19463)
Bison137 
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02-23-17 03:37 PM - Post#223133    
    In response to Shot Clock

  • Shot Clock Said:
  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
  • Shot Clock Said:
  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
Wouldn't Lehigh get the 4 seed if they and Boston lose and Navy wins? All would be tied and Lehigh would have the worst group head to head.



They are all 2-2 against each other.



Boston 3-1 (swept Lehigh, split Navy)
Navy 2-2 (split both)
Lehigh 1-3 (swept by Boston, split Navy)




Oooops. I miscounted. Then yeah, I suppose Lehigh would be 4th in that scenario.





Yes, that's correct. Mentally I hadn't even thought of the possibility of Lehigh losing at home to Army




 
jkrun80 
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02-23-17 04:42 PM - Post#223140    
    In response to Bison137

Army has beaten Navy and Boston in it's last 2 games. I would not right them off vs. Lehigh just yet. They could be a tough out for the Bison in the QF if they keep playing this way.

 
VoiceofNavySports 
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02-24-17 10:54 AM - Post#223182    
    In response to jkrun80

Whacky Stuff see you in Lewisburg tomorrow..

 
S2YB 
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02-24-17 02:24 PM - Post#223243    
    In response to VoiceofNavySports

Not to get ahead of myself but when do you guys think the earliest release date is for the semifinal tickets?

 
Bucknellbisonfan21 
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03-15-17 10:04 PM - Post#227179    
    In response to Bison89

2016 patriot league freshman of the year Delante Jones is transferring from American

 
Bison137 
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03-15-17 10:57 PM - Post#227185    
    In response to Bucknellbisonfan21

  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
2016 patriot league freshman of the year Delante Jones is transferring from American



Jones was also a preseason All-PL pick - ahead of Zach Thomas - but had a so-so season. Very talented, however, and a big loss to AU. Apppears they will be picked in the bottom three next preseason.




 
VoiceofNavySports 
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03-16-17 05:41 AM - Post#227194    
    In response to Bison137

His game didn't fit into their game..

 
Bison137 
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03-16-17 01:31 PM - Post#227258    
    In response to VoiceofNavySports

  • VoiceofNavySports Said:
His game didn't fit into their game..



Also seemed to have lost all interest in playing the Princeton Offense. Went backwards from last year to this year




 
bisonmania 
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03-23-17 09:37 AM - Post#227957    
    In response to Bison137

The fallout continues at American as now 4 players are transferring.

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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03-23-17 12:23 PM - Post#227978    
    In response to bisonmania

  • bisonmania Said:
The fallout continues at American as now 4 players are transferring.

Holy mackerel!


 
Bison137 
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03-23-17 12:30 PM - Post#227980    
    In response to bisonmania

  • bisonmania Said:
The fallout continues at American as now 4 players are transferring.




The complete list (although it may not be final):

1. Delante Jones - sophomore wing who played 79% of the minutes. Started every game and averaged 11.5 ppg.

2. Lonnie Rivera - sophomore PF who averaged 17.5 mpg but missed some games. Played 30.5% of total minutes. Started 9 PL games and averaged 5 ppg.

3. Alex Paquin - junior guard from Montreal who averaged 14 mpg in PL play. Had a run of good minutes in PL games but then hardly played down the stretch. Averaged about 4 ppg in PL games. Played 22% of all minutes. Reportedly will graduate from AU this spring/summer and then play immediately for McGill.

4. Andrija Matic - sophomore PF/C from Serbia. Played a lot in PL games as a frosh, averaging over 15 mpg, but rarely played this year. Played about 10% of total minutes.


In total, AU loses guys who played almost 57 mpg. At the moment, they look destined for a fight for the bottom three spots next season, but a lot will depend on how the four available scholarships are used. Under Jones, AU wss very active in soliciting transfers, but that hasn't been the case with Brennan. Since they need players who are available immediately, they may seek jucos and/or players who graduate in May but have another year of eligibility. They may opt for more HS recruits, but there aren't many still available who have the ability to come in and play right away.




 
Bison137 
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03-23-17 12:35 PM - Post#227982    
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None of the players or coaches have commented on the exact reasons for the transfers, but there are possibly a few reasons:

1. Brennan is a tough coach to play for, both in temperament and in the way he uses bench players, giving them a lot of minutes one day and then nothing a week later.

2. Although every recruit knows going in that AU uses the Princeton Offense, some may find that it doesn't suit their game due to its slow tempo or style of play.

3. Lack of minutes for the most recent two transfers - opportunity to play more somewhere else.


It is interesting that Bucknell in the entire scholarship era - about 14 years - has had exactly two transfers. AU in the last 10 days just doubled that figure.





 
Bison89 
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2016-17
03-23-17 01:11 PM - Post#227987    
    In response to Bison137

  • Bison137 Said:
It is interesting that Bucknell in the entire scholarship era - about 14 years - has had exactly two transfers. AU in the last 10 days just doubled that figure.





When Jeff Jones was the head coach at AU, didn't they have quite a few players transfer into their program?
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
Bison137 
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2016-17
03-23-17 02:35 PM - Post#228001    
    In response to Bison89

  • Bison89 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
It is interesting that Bucknell in the entire scholarship era - about 14 years - has had exactly two transfers. AU in the last 10 days just doubled that figure.





When Jeff Jones was the head coach at AU, didn't they have quite a few players transfer into their program?




Yes, many. Off the top of my head:

Andres Rodriguez (Louisville)
Paulius Joneliunas (South Carolina)
Cornelion Guibunda (Georgetown)
Bryce Simon (juco)
Frank Borden (juco)
Constantin Motni (juco) - thrown off team for assault.
Frane Markusovic (juco)
Vlad Moldeveanu (GMU)
Troy Brewer (Georgia)
Charles Hinkle (Vandy)
Austin Carroll (Rutgers)
Pee Wee Gardner (SF Austin)

Also maybe Kevin Panzer (Nevada), who I believe made the transfer decision just about the time Jones left to coach ODU. I believe Panzer had a connection with Wroblicky.




 
res 
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03-23-17 04:22 PM - Post#228025    
    In response to Bison137

I remember Vlad and Pee Wee being All-American candidates in HC70's mind.


 
Bison137 
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03-25-17 04:47 PM - Post#228125    
    In response to res

Two more transfers:

1. Brandon Alston, Lehigh 6-5 wing who had two years of eligibility left due to missing a year to a torn ACL. He is graduating in May and plans to go somewhere as a grad student. This is a significant loss to LU, as he played the most minutes this year of any non-starter. Would have been a likely starter in place of Price next season.

2. Dylan Gollihar, 7-0 205 lb freshman center, who didn't play this year. He was a major project but might have contributed at some point down the road.




 
Bison137 
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03-25-17 04:54 PM - Post#228126    
    In response to Bison137


  • res Said:
I remember Vlad and Pee Wee being All-American candidates in HC70's mind.




Certainly not All-Americans but both very good PL players, who both made 1st team All-PL. Gardner (along with Wroblicky) did lead his team to one PL title. Vlad never did.

One of my fondest PL memories is of Bryan Cohen guarding Vlad in 2011 and 2012. Bryan gave up 3+ inches to the 6-9 Vlad, who was one of the league's top three players - one who could play inside and out, post up or shoot the three or anything in between. But Bryan stuck with Vlad constantly, harassed him, and constantly denied him position. The first time the Bison met Vlad, he had a good game, often with Cohen not guarding him, but BC shut him down completely on the last possession, where Vlad ended up forcing a bad shot that could have won the game. After that game, the two teams met three more times over the next 1+ years. Cohen guarded Vlad most of the time, and he held him to 6-27 shooting, 18 points in 87 minutes, 6 ppg. In all other games over those two seasons, Vlad averaged about 20 ppg.

Bryan is the only player to win the PL DPOY award three times. Imo he is clearly the best defensive player in league history who wasn't a center. It's hard to compare centers defensively to wings and guards, but I would say that Foyle was likely the only more valuable defender than Cohen. Muscala might be in the conversation, although BC was the league DPOY in 2011 and 2012. Hopefully Nana will be in that conversation by next year.




 
Doktore K 
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03-26-17 11:04 AM - Post#228142    
    In response to Bison137

Two questions about Lehigh and the post by B137:

is Dylan Gollihar also a transfer from LU, or somewhere else?

Who are the players that Lehigh is losing to graduation or other reasons? I know about Kempton but who else?


 
Bison137 
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03-26-17 11:33 AM - Post#228146    
    In response to Doktore K

  • Doktore K Said:
Two questions about Lehigh and the post by B137:

is Dylan Gollihar also a transfer from LU, or somewhere else?

Who are the players that Lehigh is losing to graduation or other reasons? I know about Kempton but who else?




1. I forgot to note that Gollihar was at Loyola.

2. Lehigh loses Kempton, starting SG Austin Price, and Alston. Also guard Devon Carter, a 5th year senior, who did not see much playing time but was also a scholarship player.

In addition to adding a couple of incoming freshmen, Lehigh will also gain Lance Tejada, a transfer PG from East Carolina; Caleb Sedore, a soph center who has sat out both years due to injures; and Jack Lieb, a freshman center who sat out this year due to injury. The latter two big men may end up playing extra seasons via injury redshirts. Lehigh may look to add another incoming freshman since at the moment they will only have 10 scholarship players next year.




 
A Western Bison 
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03-28-17 11:53 PM - Post#228284    
    In response to Bison137

A discussion of changes on-the-court at Lehigh, post-Kempton:

http://thebrownandwhite.com/2017/03/26/lehigh-men s...

 
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