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cc66 
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11-29-16 10:11 PM - Post#214372    

Lose by 2, 88-86. Our defense is pretty appalling. Petrasek gets 27, including a 3 pt-er that puts us up by one 86-85, after being down by 10, and Hickman has 21, but Columbia can't win when opponents shoot 58.5% on FG and 48% on 3s.

 
Chet Forte 
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11-29-16 10:31 PM - Post#214374    
    In response to cc66

No defense and no effort to defend the three point shot. No offense except for Luke and Nate. Killimgsworth took another horse collar.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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11-30-16 01:27 AM - Post#214382    
    In response to Chet Forte

Well the Columbia defense certainly looked good in the last few minutes of Game 6 when the Lions utilized a full court press for the first time this season. Only a questionable offensive foul on Nate Hickman thwarted the victory effort. However, the Lions have no one to blame but themselves for losing this game because their defense was awful for most of the game. I'm uncertain why the Lions continue to play only a man-to-man defense throughout most of their games. It seems like an occasional zone defense or an early game press would be smart.. Likewise, I am baffled that the coaching staff continues to use the same starting line-up given that it has been clear since Game 2 that there are several better options that JK. He will be a good player, but he is not ready yet. Meanwhile, the coaching staff is losing the opportunity to find a stronger contributor in the Ivy League pre-season. I would like the Lions to try some different players in the starting line-up, say Davis, Hunter, Coby or McComber.

Edited by Columbia 37P6 on 11-30-16 01:29 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-30-16 09:53 AM - Post#214402    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Defense is a funny thing. You don't really notice it until you don't have it. We (I) became spoiled watching Kyle Smith's and Joe Jones' teams play defense. We took it as a given that we could hold opponents to under 60 ppg, and be in most games down the stretch, sometimes even against ranked opponents.

I agree that we need to go to zone defense (the 3-2?), and start Hunter, and maybe even Adlesh.

We also need more balanced scoring.

 
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11-30-16 12:56 PM - Post#214422    
    In response to Murph

The most obvious symptom of our lousy defense is that no one ever got within 3 feet of Hofstra player shooting a 3 pt-er. Smith is quick but gives up between 3 & 6 inches to most other guards he is going to face; no one on the team is both big enough and can play inside; and we are, at least against the better teams, often a step slow. The upshot is that most three pt offenses against Columbia look like pregame shoot-arounds, in which misses are surprisingly rare.

Edited by cc66 on 11-30-16 12:57 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-30-16 01:10 PM - Post#214427    
    In response to cc66

Hofstra put in almost half of their threes. I wonder if they're that good in practice.
It was just one of those games!
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Columbia 37P6 
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11-30-16 04:38 PM - Post#214461    
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Another thing that hurt the Lions yesterday was that Hickman didn't play enough minutes as they removed him from the court when he incurred his second personal foul with 13:31 still remaining in the first half. Without Hickman, the Lions' offense was stagnant for the remainder of the first half. Hickman scored 21 points in the game, 19 in the second half. Also, Hickman's dynamic play rubbed off nicely on Petrasek, Davis and Smith which fostered the nice comeback in the final five or six minutes of the game. Obviously, Columbia needs to find a way to keep Hickman on the court for more than 20 minutes a game.

 
Chet Forte 
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11-30-16 05:44 PM - Post#214472    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Engles coaches more of an uptempo offensive game, somwil will score in bunches. The downside is that he seems either not to have the personnel or the coaching commitment to playing hard nosed defense. Also, we do not have an Isaac Cohen, who would willingly bust through screens. Giving up open and basically uncontested threes is not going to work in the IL. I think our personnel are better suited to a zone defense. CJ Davis was specifically recruited to play def nose. While he ha offensive shortcoming nags, he should be starting over JK for his defense. A zone s also more likes to keep Hickman and Luke out of foul trouble. Better game management and we would be 5-1.


 
hoopsfan 
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11-30-16 06:01 PM - Post#214473    
    In response to Chet Forte

With limited ability and/or commitment to playing solid man to man defense, the best alternative is often to use a variety of defensive schemes. Keeping an offense off balance, causing them to start their offense deeper in the clock or to bring a Big into the backcourt to get an entry pass - are just some of the things that using a variety of defenses can accomplish. I have no doubt our coaches are trying to solve this.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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11-30-16 08:01 PM - Post#214481    
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In summary, as of Game Six we know that Columbia has two outstanding players in Luke Petrasek and Nate Hickman, a very good freshman point guard in Mike Smith, a very talented forward with great potential in Lukas Meisner, two tough and talented senior forwards in Jeff Coby and Chris McComber, a very talented shooting guard/small forward type in Rodney Hunter, and two high iQ physical guards in CJ Davis and Quinton Adlesh. Also add in a 7'1" senior center, three other raw freshmen with talent, and a couple more role players. Considering that Luke and Nate have both improved so much from last season, it seems to me that the Lions are close to challenging for one of the top three spots in the Ivy League this season. For myself, I think the biggest reward in terms of peparation for the Ivy League games would come from using now a starting line-up of Petrasek, Hickman, Smith, Meisner and Hunter with Davis, Coby, McComber and Adlesh filling out the nine man rotation.

 
cc66 
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11-30-16 08:29 PM - Post#214483    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Although I agree with your starting lineup, I think our defensive problems will prevent us from getting to the top three. What's more, if Hunter is going to start or even get some significant minutes, he is going to have diversify his game, He's bouncy and athletic in close, but takes very few shots from outside--no threes so far, at all. While it would be great to have a 6'5" athletic guard, as the seasons wears on, opponents are going to close in on him if he remains one-dimensional.

 
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11-30-16 08:34 PM - Post#214484    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Hunter has shown flashes of serious talent but doesn't seem to be a complete player, yet. Coming off the bench would seem the best way to use him, now.
McComber seems to have regained his shooting touch, but maybe isn't ready to be a starter, now. Ditto Coby.
Smith can be brilliant and also a little lost among bigger guards.
The Lions aren't the only team struggling. Pr started the game @ VCU with a 14- or 16-point lead and lost. GW beat Har @ H.


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Chet Forte 
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12-01-16 08:30 AM - Post#214545    
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Seems like we are not alone among our peers. A few other ugly losses in the IL last evening.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-01-16 12:03 PM - Post#214564    
    In response to Chet Forte

Yes, indeed, Brown and Cornell both won last night, but Yale lost to Bryant and Dartmouth is now 0-5. Columbia plays Seton Hall tonight in Newark. The best case scenario would be for Columbia to upset Seton Hall which Pom ranks at #49 nationally, just ahead of Princeton which he still has at #50 despite the Tigers' losing record. Jim Engles certainly knows his way around Newark so maybe his familiarity with that locality will breed success for our Lions. We will know much more about our team after tonight's game.

 
cc66 
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12-01-16 01:52 PM - Post#214583    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

That would be an NJIT over Michigan-size victory. We've already lost to Saint Jo's, which was ranked 95 and has now slid to 114, by 20 pts. Seton Hall is by far the best team we've played. If we can keep the loss down to 10 or less, that in itself would mark a significant improvement of the team.

 
Chet Forte 
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12-01-16 03:53 PM - Post#214598    
    In response to cc66

If Luke and Nate have great games, and can stay out of foul trouble, we may surprise some people tonight. You might recall that as a freshman Luke went for more than 20 on a big stage against St. John's.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-01-16 04:08 PM - Post#214601    
    In response to Chet Forte

Would you still consider it an NJIT Michigan-size victory if we were scheduled to play 50th ranked Princeton tonight instead of 49th ranked Seton Hall? I suspect not which shows why the rankings don't mean much.

 
cc66 
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12-01-16 04:28 PM - Post#214606    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Well, if we beat Princeton at Princeton, then yes, I would consider that a NJIT-Michigan size victory.

I do hope I'm wrong. But statistically, at just 8%, it's not very likely.

 
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