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GoBigGreenBasketball 
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12-03-16 12:50 AM - Post#214703    

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Boston College vs Dartmouth Final Thoughts & Predictions

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Re: Boston College
12-03-16 11:41 AM - Post#214714    
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"...no excuses - only results!”


 
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12-03-16 02:22 PM - Post#214721    
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Early observation

Dartmouth looks much more together

Completely different than first 4 games where there was no real team feel or flow

Still early, but right there with BC, even with minimal scoring by Evan

 
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12-05-16 11:26 AM - Post#214881    
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I noticed at the end Coach McLaughlin put in almost all the freshman. I liked what I saw. Emery got fouled on a dunk. He tried to jam it with authority...likely pent up frustration from being on the DNP list for the first six games. Emery played a mere 3 min and got to the line twice. Brendan Barry had a tip in! Barry has done something positive when he's gotten in the game. I know it was garbage time minutes but they looked like they wanted it.

I also noticed that there was a change in the starting line up. Fleming got the start had 6 assist to one turnover for the game.
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SomeDartmouthStudent 
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12-05-16 11:46 AM - Post#214887    
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We actually didn't look awful. I think this is proof for giving the freshman a chance.

Also- Boudreaux is suspended for Wednesday if they don't appeal. Very questionable Flagrant 2.

 
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12-05-16 12:06 PM - Post#214890    
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I thought is was very questionable and unfortunate. We were just discussing on the board what life without Evan would look like, SMH. Life has a funny way of exposing your concerns like that. Now we're about to find out what a game without Evan as the focal point.

It is almost 100% unlikely that it was intentional, but if wasn't it's understandable. Evan is constantly double teamed, banged, and fouled but still given the ball and expected to carry the team. They have to release the pressure on that poor guy.

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12-05-16 12:54 PM - Post#214894    
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  • SomeDartmouthStudent Said:
We actually didn't look awful. I think this is proof for giving the freshman a chance.

Also- Boudreaux is suspended for Wednesday if they don't appeal. Very questionable Flagrant 2.



Being 0-6 and looking at 0-7 after Vermont, I'd agree with you that it's time to give someone a chance. If any of the underclassmen are skilled with a modicum of talent they need to get real minutes on the court alongside Evan, Miles, and Guilien before league.

If you have upperclassmen who haven't developed to this point you can only blame the previous coach so much for their lack of development. That's what summers are for, personal development that's on the player not the coach especially in the Ivies. It is also unlikely that the same upperclassman is going to suddenly level-up. It's a very questionable decision to invest minutes in that player.

To your point Amaker over at Harvard is wasting no time getting his freshman talent on the floor. The Green is going to find themselves in a tough spot next year too if something doesn't give.
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12-05-16 01:46 PM - Post#214899    
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On the bright side I think my information was flawed. Looks like the league might have to hand down the suspension- we could be in the clear.

At this point with a few non-conference opponents left, I think we need to be giving freshman minutes so we know what we have come Ivy play.

 
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12-05-16 01:51 PM - Post#214900    
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That's great news!!! That should be a warning to us to prepare for such a scenario. Because right now we'd lose without his production. We're currently 325th of 351 in points scored per game on the D-I level. Right now it would be a disaster without his contribution. Right now we're living paycheck to paycheck and still coming up short! We might have to file for Chapter 11 with no Evan!
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12-05-16 03:34 PM - Post#214910    
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We need to do whatever it takes to get better ASAP, and certainly this means by the Ivy season.

The program needs to win this year (at least .500), and if we sink below 300 we have taken an inexcusable step back. Inexcusable bc it was self inflicted.

Will our stars stick with the program if we end up with 6 wins this year? We were shocked when Alex Mitola left and that was a huge setback. I certainly hope other college coaches don't start calling our starters' high school coaches to express interest.

I'm not blaming Coach Mac if we stay in the dark depths where we're currently swimming this year. He needs and deserves the time and space to put it together. Technically, he has the full term of his contract to finish what Cormier started, getting us to be a regular top half contender and occasional threat to win the league. I would argue we need significant continuity at the coaching spot.

I agree that the freshman have looked good and should continue to get more burn. I think Wes is important, though. I like Ike, but sorry I just don't see it. There is reason he never played. I saw Emerys near dunk! Carter and Sistare are both already strong contributors. I'd love to see Barry emerge, but also believe our top recruiting priority is a top point guard who can contribute how Mitola did as a freshman. Then we are absolutely top 4.

The team looked good for the stretches of the BC game that I watched. I guess a concern is that we ended up losing by 18 to a team that currently ranks bottom half of Ivy though. Penn, who we are or should be better than IMO is ranked ahead of BC.

Momentum can change quickly though and I have faith. What a joke if Evan can't play vs UVM. I didn't see the play but I know he would not intentionally hurt someone to a level of being suspended for a second game.

This time of strife is a test. Gear up, men.

 
SomeDartmouthStudent 
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12-05-16 05:26 PM - Post#214916    
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That's a good point. I can't see Boudreaux sticking around for 2 more seasons of this...

 
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12-05-16 06:52 PM - Post#214922    
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  • hoopla Said:

I agree that the freshman have looked good and should continue to get more burn. I think Wes is important, though. I like Ike, but sorry I just don't see it. There is reason he never played.



That was sorta the point of developing the young talent. Through 6 games Carter is averaging more than both Wes and Ike with half the minutes. If you go back Carter is averaging more than both did every year they've been in the program.

That is not to say that neither of them should not play at all or play a meaningful role, but the numbers so far don't support the minutes considering we are 325th of 351 in points. Oh and we're also 292nd of 351 in points against us. So whatever we think we're getting on the defensive end isn't much benefit.

Let's see what Barry has he's a McD's All American nominee for goodness sake. He's got to have some talent. He looked like a PLAYER! from the brief glimpses. That emphatic dunk attempt by Emery is what we need. Shoot with Emery's 3 points in 3 minutes his season average is higher than Wes & Ike. Ok Ok it was only one game and 3 minutes in garbage time, but hey, he got those from the foul line with one being a dunk attempt. I'll take that every day.
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Edited by GoBigGreenBasketball on 12-05-16 06:54 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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12-05-16 07:00 PM - Post#214923    
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  • SomeDartmouthStudent Said:
That's a good point. I can't see Boudreaux sticking around for 2 more seasons of this...



Please don't even suggest Evan transferring! Although with his talent he could play at a high major school. He's a walking double double even versus high major teams being double teamed. Someone would take him up in a heartbeat.


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12-06-16 11:28 AM - Post#214943    
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I'll try not to. I just don't see much positive there and I think any player wants to make the NCAA tournament. Boudreaux probably wont get that shot at Dartmouth.

 
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12-06-16 11:29 AM - Post#214944    
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^BUT- I need him to stick around. He's a blast to watch and I think he can go down as the best in program history if he wills us to an IVY championship or a NCAA birth.

 
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12-06-16 11:39 AM - Post#214945    
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Does anyone know how practices are going. How are the guys developing. I know that was an issue under the previous coach.

Are we getting any better, because it's hard to tell from the games so far.
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12-06-16 12:12 PM - Post#214946    
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Player development was a problem under Cormier? Not sure I see that -- the team certainly improved every year until the last one (and I suspect would have improved again if Mitola had stuck around).

 
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12-06-16 01:06 PM - Post#214948    
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Kyle Smith said we'd have won 20 games last year with Mitola. Not sure about that, but it would've been north of 14, the previous year/high water mark.

To answer your question GBGB, the team looked to have gotten a bit better vs BC during the portions I watched, the beginning and end.

I am trying to figure out what the problem is this year.

I think they are just not used to the new system or maybe the new system isn't a good match for the personnel. I don't think that the player development has improved. If player development has improved and we are still this bad, that speaks to a need for better or more appropriate X's and O's.

Does anyone know, will Evan play tomorrow I hope?

 
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12-06-16 01:53 PM - Post#214950    
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  • SomeGuy Said:
Player development was a problem under Cormier? Not sure I see that -- the team certainly improved every year until the last one (and I suspect would have improved again if Mitola had stuck around).



That was what the articles I've read said was a key driver in firing Cormier. The AD hired the new coach under the premise one of his core strengths is player development.
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SomeDartmouthStudent 
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12-06-16 02:45 PM - Post#214954    
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Word is that Evan is playing tomorrow.

And from my experience and what I've heard- there was little to no player development under Cormier and that was the primary reason he was let go. Looking at the seniors, and even some of the juniors, there has been little improvement and often regression. I don't have access to the statistics at this very moment, but I'd be shocked if they dont back that up (when controlled for playing time of course).

 
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12-06-16 03:50 PM - Post#214958    
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I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Wright and Johnson both made statistical improvements from 1st year to 2nd, and Johnson's improvement was substantial. Boehm showed less improvement over the years statistically, but I'm not sure he's the type of player who really profiles to be a lead scorer, and he did improve pretty dramatically as a passer as a senior.

Crecenzi was more of a role player, but he did go from an unimaginably low ORAT as a freshman to a solid guy. Mitola may have flat-lined between soph and jr year, but he made the big jump from freshman year -- which is when a lot of good players make the most improvement.

The other thing I'll point out on this -- Fleming and Ngwudo are the only players on the team who have higher ORATs this year than last (and Ngwudo is still well below average). May just be a bad start, but it doesn't suggest that guys are developing now. Maybe they're taking a step back before moving forward, but it isn't encouraging.

 
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12-06-16 04:06 PM - Post#214961    
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Great news about Boudreaux!

Where does one learn that type of insider info? I've been looking for it.

I think the Cormier player development thing is water under the bridge, and while I believe it was more of an excuse, who cares at this point.

We have bigger fish to fry with what is currently happening.

But I have to say in Paul's defense, he inherited a D3 team and left a legit D1 team with legit D1 stars 6 years later.

So I guess what I'm saying is I hope Coach Macs player development is a bad as Cormier's!

 
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12-06-16 04:39 PM - Post#214963    
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Being down 0-6 feels like we're slipping back to those D3 days.
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12-06-16 04:44 PM - Post#214964    
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There was a perception that some of Cormier's better recruits looked very promising as freshmen, but didn't really improve from there.

IMHO, Miles Wright fits that mold.

 
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12-06-16 04:49 PM - Post#214965    
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  • SomeGuy Said:
I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Wright and Johnson both made statistical improvements from 1st year to 2nd, and Johnson's improvement was substantial. Boehm showed less improvement over the years statistically, but I'm not sure he's the type of player who really profiles to be a lead scorer, and he did improve pretty dramatically as a passer as a senior. .



I'm not going to look it up, but my recollection is that Golden and Boehm started as freshmen.

Neither sniffed an All-Ivy team before graduation.

I don't think Wright will either. Would be delighted to be wrong.

 
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12-06-16 04:54 PM - Post#214966    
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I believe Wright Frosh/Soph campaigns were only marginally different. Minor slippage most likely attributable to the rise/dominance of E.B.

This year he's off to a slow start.
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12-06-16 05:54 PM - Post#214974    
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Well, Wright averaged 7.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, and 0.3 apg as a freshman. 11.2/4.4/0.8 as a sophomore, so he improved across the board. Per minute increases were more marginal, but he still improved in just about everything.



 
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12-06-16 06:01 PM - Post#214975    
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Yes, they started as freshmen. Golden improved steadily through junior year, and then was hurt to start his senior year and took a while to get going once he got on the floor.

He was an athletic player, but I'm not sure why you'd expect an All-Ivy from him. Yes, he started as a freshmen, but that was a 1 win Ivy team.

 
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12-06-16 06:28 PM - Post#214978    
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Again, not that it matters at this point and why are we talking about this...

But I would guess that most of the (perceived) regression of players' games and/or decline in stat performance under Paul was a result of the better talent coming in each successive year.

Existing guys don't look as good when better guys keep coming in and taking existing guys' minutes, etc.

 
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12-06-16 06:33 PM - Post#214979    
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Golden didn't have any other D1 offers. He jumped in and became a legit, good D1 player at Dartmouth and I'm not sure that would have happened at any other program.

Boehm developed hugely as a freshman and blossomed into a borderline Star. He was good last year but would've been been better (as would have others) if Mitola had stuck around.

 
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12-06-16 08:04 PM - Post#214992    
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  • hoopla Said:
Golden didn't have any other D1 offers.



He had an offer from Buffalo.

http://www.dartmouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB...

But I agree that he wasn't a highly sought after recruit.

The article I posted described his freshman highlights. I do remember thinking that he was going to be an impact player. But for whatever reason, it didn't happen. While he certainly had some good games in his career, he didn't take it to the proverbial next level.

Fairly or not, his experience (and others) led into a perception that Cormier wasn't developing players.

 
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12-06-16 09:57 PM - Post#215011    
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Golden was a huge impact player for us. He would have been first team defense if such a team existed. He guarded the star for opposing teams all the time and often shut them down. Offensively he helped, too. But not everyone is born to score, which is okay.

 
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12-06-16 10:48 PM - Post#215028    
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Has the development situation changed with the new coach?
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