bradley
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12-04-16 09:25 AM - Post#214831
Tigers website shows Gladson starting at center vs. Hans Brase. Let's hope that Brase's injury from VCU game is not serious but not a good sign.
Unfortunately, Cal has two big men 6'11" and a 7 footer and the 6'11" player, Rabb, is really good. Not sure why Coach starts Gladson vs. Miller. Cal is a very good rebounding and defensive team although their shooting has been on and off even with Grant Mullins being on their team. Cal has a #54 Kenpom ranking.
When this game appeared on the schedule, it looked like a game that the Tigers would need Brase and Miller on the floor together for parts of the game.
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12-04-16 11:32 AM - Post#214833
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Thanks for the scouting report.
The silence on Brase is frustrating.
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bradley
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12-05-16 04:14 PM - Post#214912
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I agree regarding the silence. There are photos and a video of the Tigers day 1 in Hawaii. Brase is there and he is smiling and moving around although I am not sure if he was participating in a practice based on the video.
Never did see his injury as to what part of his body.
May be telling if Henderson holds him out if he is borderline as to playing in Hawaii --- they do need him against Cal. Coach may be deciding to make sure that Hans is healthy for the Ivy League vs. non-conference ---- I should say the Ivy League tournament vs. the regular season.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-05-16 04:42 PM - Post#214913
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I was watching--he tripped over an opponent's foot and fell awkwardly, forcing his foot out laterally and apparantly injuring his knee. As I recall it was his right knee--don't know if that is the one he injured last year. The awkward torsion would have stressed his medial collateral ligament, I think.
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Old Bear
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12-05-16 05:51 PM - Post#214918
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I love these boards, we not only get to tell the coaches who to play, and how to play. We even get medical diagnoses.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-05-16 06:13 PM - Post#214920
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I slept in a Holiday Inn last night.
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12-05-16 06:17 PM - Post#214921
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Express.
Holiday Inn Express
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12-05-16 07:03 PM - Post#214924
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Their guard Bird apparently is shooting 44% from three, though with only nine attempts. It would be nice not to have him break out against the Tigers.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-05-16 07:52 PM - Post#214927
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Express.
Holiday Inn Express
Sorry Dude; been some time since that commercial ran.
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bradley
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12-05-16 08:56 PM - Post#214930
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Good call. He is using two crutches but seems in good spirits but obviously will not be playing in Hawaii. Miller, Gladson and Brennan need to step up.
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Petrie
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12-06-16 07:18 PM - Post#214983
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Let's go tigers, make this your break out game. Bell 20 pts, Gladson 10 boards
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Petrie
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12-06-16 07:20 PM - Post#214984
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Unfortunately, more likely, Bell 5 pts, Gladson 5 fouls
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-06-16 08:02 PM - Post#214991
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Miller and Cannady starting.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-06-16 08:10 PM - Post#214994
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I want to see em RUN. Cannady with a drive off the glass
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-06-16 08:16 PM - Post#214995
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Nice drop step hook by Gladson, even though he missed.
Offense stagnant.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-06-16 08:20 PM - Post#214996
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No one can get off a three--perimeter defense too good by Cal, and Miller awkward down low. Gladson just one play.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-06-16 08:49 PM - Post#214998
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Without Cannady, we got nuthin.
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Kit
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12-06-16 08:59 PM - Post#215002
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Tigers up 20-18 at half.
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bradley
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12-06-16 09:02 PM - Post#215003
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Bill Rafferty rightly commented that the court/lighting is presenting real problems for both teams. Nothing but bricks or completely missing the hoop by both teams although Cal and Tigers are playing great defense. Best defense for one half that I have seen the Tigers play in a long time.
Cannady is fearless. It would be nice to have Brase on the court. Cook first bad half of season. Cal is very good defensively stopping back door cuts.
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12-06-16 09:18 PM - Post#215007
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Uptempo a bit now; not helping us. I take back what I said about running.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-06-16 09:19 PM - Post#215008
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The big guy on Cal really stopping our inside game.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-06-16 10:01 PM - Post#215012
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No one stepping up at the end.
Not sure I agree with the offense/defense substitutions of Gladson and Miller. Getting stuck with Miller on the offensive end means Cal has 5 guys to guard 4.
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12-06-16 10:14 PM - Post#215018
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Our missed free throws and Rabb's defense.....
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12-06-16 10:14 PM - Post#215019
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Tigers seem to have a lot of good players and no great ones.
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bradley
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12-06-16 10:22 PM - Post#215022
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Tied scored 4 1/2 minutes to go very similar to BYU, Lehigh and VCU --- remarkable and they lose by 9 to 11 points as they need to foul after they go down by 5 to 6 points.
They can play very competitively against very good basketball teams but cannot close. Same old tale for good Ivy League teams against strong non-conference opponents year-end year-out. Will this brutal schedule help them in the Ivies -- you would think so but time will tell.
Cannady starting for Bell. Need Brase back as well. Will come down to two game tournament in March at the Palestra.
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12-06-16 10:22 PM - Post#215023
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Tigers seem to have a lot of players who cannot shoot consistently,
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umbrellaman
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12-06-16 10:36 PM - Post#215025
In response to sparman
That works too. Lots of decent shooters, but no great ones. Cannady seems like he needs to take the leap for this team to get the title.
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12-07-16 12:26 AM - Post#215032
In response to umbrellaman
I realize this non-conf schedule is tough, but at some point, they have to win at least ONE of these tough games. So many players seem to have regressed from last year. Amir Bell has totally vanished.
What's going on? Does it have anything to do with Brian Earl's departure?
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12-07-16 01:19 AM - Post#215035
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A Princeton team with 3?!? assists in a game? Can't see how our guys win with 3 assists...
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SRP
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12-07-16 03:22 AM - Post#215036
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That was a strange game to watch--the outdoor light coming in like from a clerestory window and the shiny floor make it easy to see why shooting was so tough for both teams.
On the whole, Princeton's defense was very good, especially defensive rebounding. They left four or five shooters open in the first half, all of whom missed, but still contested everything else and made life difficult for the Bears. Miller getting his fourth foul in the second half really hurt the defense, I thought, because Gladson really couldn't stop their big guys consistently. Cal was horrible at the FT line, partly because a lot of the fouls were inflicted on poor foul shooters and because Raab's guide hand was practically useless.
Offensively, PU was bothered by Cal's tough perimeter D and conscientious care on backdoor cuts, but the biggest problem was that Cal had tremendous shot-blocking at the rim and our drivers never seem to have mastered the art of challenging shot blockers. This has been a problem against quality opposition for the Tigers so far this season (Mika, Cox, etc. taking away lots of drives in previous games). Somebody needs to have a teardrop or a high-off-the-backboard layup or learn how to get his body into the shot blocker. In this game, the Tigers often resorted to mid-range shots they usually eschew, and made a decent number of them, but if they're going to do that as a regular diet then the offense is going to have to accommodate it better.
It also seemed that the spacing of the team was often too constricted vertically; I'm not saying that they need to go back to the old five-above-the-FT-line sets (although that wouldn't be terrible as a possession starter sometimes), but they were often too close in to create openings for isolations or backdoor cuts. Hence, hardly any assists. And the Cal shot-blockers were able to get to the play because they weren't pulled away from the rim.
Finally, the team needs to just be better at hitting open threes. 35-38% would have meant victory in probably all of the losses this year (I haven't checked, so I may be wrong about the figure). Guys are struggling out there.
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12-07-16 07:27 AM - Post#215041
In response to gokinsmen
I realize this non-conf schedule is tough, but at some point, they have to win at least ONE of these tough games. So many players seem to have regressed from last year. Amir Bell has totally vanished.
What's going on? Does it have anything to do with Brian Earl's departure?
I was expecting to wake up to read another scathing indictment of MH's coaching. In fact, I have begun to wonder if there is something in his philosophy that limits the ability of one guy to step up at the end of the game.
But in the end, this game was lost due to superior defense on their part. Their coach said in the post game interview they defend "chest to chest and shoulder to shoulder".
Cannady in particular could not get free. Weisz and Caruso cannot shoot the three if closely guarded; they do not elevate. Bell and Cook can elevate and shoot, but not with great accuracy.
While Gladson is not as good defensively as Miller, at least he is a shooting threat and stretches the defense.
As umbrellaman notes, many good players but no great one who can draw the double team or break down the defense on the dribble.
I think Bell has the skills to be great, but is forced into a more passive role by the structure of the offense.
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12-07-16 07:53 AM - Post#215042
In response to SRP
That was a strange game to watch--the outdoor light coming in like from a clerestory window and the shiny floor make it easy to see why shooting was so tough for both teams.
I had never heard of Bloch Arena until last night. Looks like a really neat place to visit. One can imagine the history there. Hawaii's version of The Palestra.
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bradley
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Re: Pearl Harbor Invitational
12-07-16 10:25 AM - Post#215051
In response to Mike Porter
Cal simply would not let back door passes. Tigers were well scouted and Mullins may have provided some very good information to stop Princeton offense. It was interesting to watch Mullins play and see significant difference in athleticism between Mullins and the other Cal players. He no longer starts for Cal.
The Tigers have seen some players that have some special skills -- Mika, Emery, Kempton, Lewis, Cox, Moore and Raab. They are becoming a much better defensive team but offense remains a struggle after ridiculously good stats last year with basically the same players.
They play very well for the first 35 minutes with ups and downs but the last 5 minutes have been tough. Let's see if they have a let down against two good but not great teams on the road --- Hawaii and Liberty. Liberty lost by 5 points to VCU at home. St. Joe's and Monmouth are right around the corner as well.
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cc66
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12-07-16 01:50 PM - Post#215061
In response to bradley
Mullins may not start for Cal, but with 11 pts. in 19 minutes, he did have, at 114, the highest ORAT of anyone on the Cal team
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SomeGuy
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12-07-16 02:00 PM - Post#215062
In response to cc66
Also, I think Mullins was on bereavement leave this week, so there was some question as to whether or not he would play in the game. So coming off the bench and playing fewer minutes may have had to do with that, and nothing about his role generally.
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bradley
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12-07-16 03:40 PM - Post#215075
In response to cc66
True although Mullins had 4 free throws with less than one minute to go as Tigers had to foul. During the first and second half, Cannady was able to get by him a number of times. Most of the other Bear defenders were chest to chest with Princeton players throughout the game based on their quickness and physicality.
He is a fine player and had a wonderful season last year at Columbia. Over the past several years, most Ivy League transfers have their stats go down when they transfer to strong Division I programs, i.e. Miller, Mitola, Rafael Maia, Hicks, etc. Miller probably had the most success at UConn partially due to his athleticism.
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SRP
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12-07-16 07:40 PM - Post#215098
In response to bradley
Mullins could be effective offensively, and he had some pretty drives against the Tigers, but he was not as good a defender as his teammates.
One thing I did like in this game was that Princeton did not appear to get out-toughed or pushed around horizontally. Until late in the game they had the Bears sealed off their defensive backboard and they were pretty effective doubling down on post touches.
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bradley
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12-07-16 11:36 PM - Post#215137
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Tigers continue to play very tough defense with 20 pt lead against a lesser opponent than Cal. They also look that they are having fun.
Bill Rafferty commented that they are a very solid team and will only get better. Let's see about that. Cook really is stepping up after his first clunker of the season last night. He is the Tigers best all around player.
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12-08-16 12:54 AM - Post#215143
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Caught the last 11:33 of the game. Looked very comfortable for the Tigers. Maybe I can find a replay online.
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12-08-16 01:10 AM - Post#215144
In response to SRP
Hawaii lost its Top 7 scorers from last year's tourney team. By contrast, we returned everyone of consequence from a 22-7 NIT squad. This should have been a 20pt romp.
Something remains very wrong with the team. This season already has a Joe Scott feel to it. What the heck is going on with Mitch and Co.? I remember when ESPN had Princeton projected as a #9 seed before the season began. That's a bad joke now.
I'm not entirely sure we'll even make it to the Ivy Tourney since it's only for the Top 4. If I were a betting man, I'd be scared to put money on it.
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Re: Pearl Harbor Invitational
12-08-16 02:12 AM - Post#215146
In response to gokinsmen
They were up by 20 until then put the back end of the bench in.
Did you watch the game?
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Mike Porter
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12-08-16 02:19 AM - Post#215147
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Yeah I'm a Penn fan... and while the Tigers have been off to a disappointing start as an outsider, they are still ranked 1st in Ivy's by a LOOONG way in advance metrics, so I assure you your guys should make the Ivy Tournament.
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Re: Pearl Harbor Invitational
12-08-16 02:35 AM - Post#215148
In response to Vonsid
Hawaii hung around for 9m of the 2nd half despite a 20pt 1st half lead. This should have been a laugher all the way. Some games you're supposed to win by 20 even with garbage time. Last year's Princeton team beat Lafayette by 52 (!!!) and FDU by 30.
But I'll grant you that I wouldn't be grousing if this team we were 5-2 instead of 3-4. Considering how awful they've looked AND how hot they began the game, it would have been nice to see a confidence boosting blowout.
Instead, this was just a TCB win that doesn't inspire any confidence that they found their rhythm.
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12-08-16 02:42 AM - Post#215149
In response to Mike Porter
Mitch Henderson's teams have a history of underachieving in Ivy play. I take nothing for granted. Right now, I feel 60% sure we'll make the cut.
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bradley
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12-08-16 09:51 AM - Post#215159
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It has been a disappointing start to the season as you have rightly pointed out. Post-game last evening, Henderson expressed disappointment as to the lack of shooting against Cal. Cal game was a game that the Tigers could have won based on their defensive play.
Kenpom has the Tigers with a #56 ranking and they are the highest ranked team with a losing record -- rather ironic.
The defense that they played against Cal and Hawaii on consecutive nights is probably a good sign. Other than Cal this season due to the Bears defense, they have had open looks for the vast majority of shots. If they start hitting their shots more consistently, they will be probably be a pretty tough out.
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Re: Pearl Harbor Invitational
12-08-16 10:00 AM - Post#215161
In response to gokinsmen
Can't agree...you would be grousing if the Tigers were 6-0!
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Go Green
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12-08-16 10:54 AM - Post#215169
In response to JadwinGeorge
I don't know the way these "invitationals" work. But is there a reason why Navy wasn't playing?
Hawaii-sure. Cal--close enough.
Seton Hall and Princeton are head-scratchers for this particular tournament.
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Re: Pearl Harbor Invitational
12-08-16 12:04 PM - Post#215189
In response to gokinsmen
I understand the overall general "meh" feeling so far, but I think this goes too far in the other direction. After all, Hawaii earlier played #5 UNC closer than Tigers. In no way does this season have a Joe Scott feel to it, so far.
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12-08-16 01:23 PM - Post#215199
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The Lehigh game was the only one that disturbed me as opposed to disappointing me. I agree that if they defend the rest of the year as well as they did in this tournament--which is no sure thing but what Henderson aimed at preseason--then they will be good in the league. Their offense should look a lot better against those teams as long as they take care of the ball, and their shooting when open should return to its norm.
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12-08-16 08:11 PM - Post#215254
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After starting 0-4, the Women are now even at 4-4 after convincing wins with suffocating defense. Time for Mitch to give Courtney a call?
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12-08-16 08:17 PM - Post#215255
In response to Tiger69
Has anything official been stated about Brase?
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