Chet Forte
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 12-25-16 08:42 AM - Post#216622
Good luck to our Lions this Wednesday. Great opportunity to see if we can step up our game. Happy holiday to all.
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JadwinGeorge
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12-25-16 10:08 AM - Post#216624
In response to Chet Forte
Hard to find any reference in Chet "The Jet's" biography to the Eastern League, a minor league pro circuit centered in PA cities like Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Hazleton and Easton. I remember seeing him play in Scranton against the Miners in the late '50's.
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Columbia 37P6
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12-26-16 02:46 PM - Post#216650
In response to JadwinGeorge
Larranaga is an excellent coach and the Canes are a talented team. I'm looking forward to the game Wednesday night.
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internetter
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12-28-16 11:00 AM - Post#216728
In response to Columbia 37P6
On ESPN 3
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internetter
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12-28-16 08:18 PM - Post#216855
In response to internetter
Not on ESPN3 or anywhere I can find.
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Chet Forte
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 12-28-16 08:33 PM - Post#216857
In response to internetter
Go to gocolumbialions.com and you will find the game. We look terrrible so far. Fouls and turnovers. Sloppy play by us.
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Chet Forte
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12-28-16 08:51 PM - Post#216861
In response to Chet Forte
Offense picked up but not defense. We are allowing too many wide open threes. We have been in a zone for the entire first half, but we have to contest the three ball.
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Columbia 37P6
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12-28-16 08:59 PM - Post#216862
In response to Chet Forte
Down by only ten at halftime, but it is really perplexing that two of our three best players, Hickman and Smith, sat out most of the first half and and another good player, Meisner, has not been on the court, so I presume he's injured. I just don't get it. It seems obvious that the Lions should be starting Petrasek, Tape, Hunter, Hickman and Smith with Adlesh, Coby and a few others coming off the bench first. Why is Killingsworth in the starting line-up?
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internetter
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12-28-16 09:04 PM - Post#216864
In response to Columbia 37P6
WKCR is doing it. Dalen Cuff was the halftime guest.
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Chet Forte
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12-28-16 09:17 PM - Post#216870
In response to internetter
Down only 4 at 15 minute mark. Excellent run.
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Chet Forte
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12-28-16 10:01 PM - Post#216881
In response to Chet Forte
Good game by Smith and Petrasek. Hickman had his worst game of the year. It was a winnable game but rust and off games by too many guys sealed it. Tape again showed his potential. Hunter has to learn how to shoot, including free throws, if he is to contribute. Coby was so-so. Eleven point loss but if Hickman hit his average we would have won.
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Columbia Alum
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12-28-16 11:08 PM - Post#216889
In response to Chet Forte
Watched the game on ESPN 3 and looking at the box score, takeaways:
1) we click much better with smith on the floor, he is aggressive and shows leadership despite being a freshman
2) tape needs more playing time, he needs to learn how to defend without fouling, they'll go hand in hand
3) not sure why Hickman didn't play more, maybe he was under the weather?
4) Hunter has great dribbling, passing and attacking talent but simply cannot shoot. This is a serious handicap come ivy season when he'll be properly scouted, so his days (minutes) are numbered unless he locks himself in the gym and shoots until his hands fall off.
5) CJ was lost at times today, hope he shakes off the rust
6) Voss was worse and his lack of court sense, makes him a waste of minutes on the floor
7) Adlesh looked good in spurts and he should probably start over killingsworth
8) I would give voss+McCombers minutes to Coby and tape, they definitely performed at a higher level today, and tape might have a high ceiling.
9) we hung in there all game which is encouraging, but Miami played a sub-par game for their standards, too many turnovers, too many mental errors and long range jumpers instead of attacking the basket, which would have hurt us more.
We have a lot of work to do in the coming weeks, months and over the summer if we want to properly contend for an ncaa spot. At the end of last season I pegged our odds of making the ivy tourney at 33% I would say we are still there or below. Penn and Harvard are playing at a significantly higher level and brown and Cornell are matching us right now.
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internetter
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12-28-16 11:43 PM - Post#216893
In response to Columbia Alum
My attempts to watch on ESPN3 were met with a message about not getting access to some service. If you'll indulge my ignorance, how could I have gone through that barrier?
I used both a laptop and Amazon Stick.
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Columbia Alum
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12-29-16 12:54 AM - Post#216897
In response to internetter
I used ESPN app on ipad, phone works too, the app recognized that my home wifi was optimum subscribed and immediately gave me access to all games on espn 3. Then I searched for columbia basketball and clicked on the game at 7pm est
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RHunter3
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12-29-16 02:46 AM - Post#216899
In response to Columbia Alum
I was at the game.
Hickman and Smith were both in foul trouble. They each picked up 2 fouls within the first 5 minutes of the game.
Some of the calls were questionable at best. There was a little homecooking.
On Hunter your offbase a bit. Shooting isn't the problem. He is a scorer and he can definitely shoot. He scored over 2200 points in high school against good competition. In fact he played against Anthony Lawrence in hs, who was on the court tonight for Miami. He also played against Huell, who also plays for Miami. He also played on the Eybl circuit with Nike Yeam Florida.
Go back check out the City of Palms tournament game in which he played against the #1 yeam in 5a in Florida. The pg goes to Princeton and the sg who was checking him is starting at NC State. He scored 32......he scored from all 3 levels.
The problem is he is hesitant for some reason. I think he's still trying to figure things out.
Edited by RHunter3 on 12-29-16 02:50 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Mike Porter
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12-29-16 02:51 AM - Post#216900
In response to Columbia Alum
Hi Internetter - to use WatchESPN app or ESPN3.com you actually still need to be an ESPN subscriber and also getting your cable/satellite service from a company that has a deal for this service with ESPN. So when you go to watch you will need to login to your account first.
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Columbia Alum
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Re: Miami
12-29-16 07:37 AM - Post#216903
In response to RHunter3
Right, but whatever his history, we have a shooting problem now which needs to be addressed, or he'll be easy to defend come Ivy time when properly scouted.
I think if Hunters FT %s and long range game picks up, he'll rise to an automatic starter and easily to 30-35+ mins a game.
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Chet Forte
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 12-29-16 07:46 AM - Post#216904
In response to Mike Porter
I think Hunter has a lot of potential, but offensively he does appear to have some issues right now. He was 1 for 4 from the free throw line, which should be correctable. As far as his shooting in general. I just think he needs work at this point. Obviously the coaches think he has a significant upside, or else he would not be part of the rotation. He just needs to finish. As far as other observations, I was surprised that Luke only took 10 shots. Once he missed a few threes he seemed hesitant to shoot. Tape looks like he can be a do,infant inside player if he can avoid fouls. Hickman just did not have a good game and seemed to be handcuffed by whoever was defending him. I understand that he got a few quick fouls but he was still largely ineffective in the second half. Coby, despite his 13 points, missed some easy shots at a critical time. As far as Smith, he is starting to make this his team: I think he didn't turn over the ball once. And finally, we could have folded against a more athletic team who we were facing after a very long layoff but played tough and have the makings of a pretty good group. We saw a lot of guys get on the court for us. PS, where is Meisner?
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Chet Forte
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12-29-16 07:48 AM - Post#216905
In response to Chet Forte
Pardon the spell check typos on Tape-- meant to say he can be a dominant inside player.
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Murph
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12-29-16 09:14 AM - Post#216910
In response to Chet Forte
IMO, the offense of most Ivy League teams revolves around 3 point shooting. This is especially true of Columbia. A typical Columbia starting lineup will feature three 3 point shooting guards, a stretch 4 and a center. (Isaac Cohen was the one notable exception to this rule, and he received a lot of flack for his inability to shoot the 3 ball.)
OTOH, Hunter has attempted zero 3 point shots all season. I like everything about Hunter's game...his hustle, defense, rebounding, ball handling, quickness, athleticism, IQ, etc. But unless Rodney starts taking and hitting 3s at a consistent rate, he apparently is not going to be rewarded with a lot of playing time.
Please note: This is not my view of how Columbia's offense should be designed. I would have preferred that Hunter start at the 3 spot from day one, replacing Cohen.
Next season, I'm hoping Castlin replaces Killingsworth in the starting line-up.
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RHunter3
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12-29-16 10:50 AM - Post#216919
In response to Chet Forte
Meisner is injured.
IMO Hunter just needs to take the shot. I also think he's not 100% comfortable in the offense as of yet. He's also a player that is selective and efficient in shot selection. He usually won't shoot just to shoot. That being said he's gotta relax and let a few go. Seeing a few go through the net is a huge confidence builder.
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Columbia 37P6
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12-29-16 01:28 PM - Post#216936
In response to Murph
I certainly agree with RHunter3 that shooting is not Rodney's problem and, in my opinion, it is just a matter of time before everything clicks for him and for that matter, the entire Columbia Lion Basketball Team. Hunter is a very talented player and his further development is crucial to the success of this year's team. It seems to me that Rodney and some of his teammates are not yet comfortable in the Lions new offense. Also, while it's generally beneficial to have a deep rotation, multiple substitutions can be confusing and make players become more tentative. Finally, I hope the new Columbia coaching staff is not falling into the trap of taking players off the court as soon as they are called for a second or third personal foul. Columbia needs their best players on the floor for more than twenty minutes a game. It is preferable to let a player foul out with thirty + minutes playing time than play only twenty minutes.
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RHunter3
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12-29-16 01:54 PM - Post#216939
In response to Chet Forte
In looking at Rodney's stats he's shooting 55% from field(11-20), 0% (0-0), from 3, and 43% from line (3-7).
It's definitely correctable, but he does need to shoot more.....make or miss.
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Columbia Alum
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12-29-16 02:00 PM - Post#216942
In response to RHunter3
"0% (0-0), from 3, and 43% from line (3-7)"
these two will make him easy to defend: keep distance when he's away from the basket, send him to the line if he beats you on the dribble. All it takes is scouting, something that miami (or others) wouldn't really bother with for an OOC game against columbia, but something the ivies do much more rigorously in conference.
Many of Kyle Smith's offenses relied on trick plays that caught even the best schools off-guard but were easy to scout and defend when ivy season rolled around. This is part of the reason we under-performed in ivy play most years.
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RHunter3
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12-29-16 04:23 PM - Post#216961
In response to Columbia Alum
Same could be said about Meisner. He's only 4-7 FT line snd 27% from 3
7 shots not enough to make a good assessment. As a team I don't think they shoot enough free throws.
He does need to take 3s though.
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internetter
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12-29-16 04:40 PM - Post#216965
In response to Mike Porter
thanks very much; I've solved the ESPN problem...I think!
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RHunter3
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12-29-16 05:26 PM - Post#216969
In response to Columbia 37P6
The team is running a new syatem that per Coach Engles take a year to learn. I too think that as a whole they are not comfortably as of yet. There is alot of potential with the team. If they play as they did last night but clean up a few things they will be right in the mix.
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Murph
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12-30-16 10:18 AM - Post#216988
In response to Columbia Alum
"0% (0-0), from 3, and 43% from line (3-7)"
these two will make him easy to defend: keep distance when he's away from the basket, send him to the line if he beats you on the dribble.
Yes well, lost in your analysis is the fact that Killingsworth is shooting only 28% from the 3 pt line.
The other guard that deserves consideration is Adlesh. Adlesh is playing starters minutes, shoots and passes well, and plays smart and efficiently.
However, starting the 5'10 Smith and the 6'0 Adlesh in the same backcourt might pose defensive issues.
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Columbia 37P6
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12-30-16 01:05 PM - Post#217001
In response to Murph
Yes, the point guard position is a a team strength-- Mike Smith is outstanding in all aspects of the game, Davis is a very good back-up point/combo guard and Adlesh does many things well. I have given up on the starting line-up thing with Killingsworth. Logic says he shouldn't be starting, but coaches have their reasons for starting certain players.
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Chet Forte
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12-30-16 03:16 PM - Post#217007
In response to Columbia 37P6
I agree about Smith. I assume that we have gone to a zone when he is in the game largely because he is much better suited to a zone defense.
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