bradley
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12-30-16 04:01 PM - Post#217008
5-8 record but they have played a competitive schedule including Cal and Washington. They have several transfer players who had minutes when they were freshmen at Gonzaga, Univ of Minnesota and Army. Gonzaga transfer is 6'9" and shooting guard (former Army player) hits 49% of his 3 pointers. They have some height and appear to be a significantly better team than Hampton.
Cal Poly's Kenpom ranking is similar to Columbia and Cornell.
It will be interesting to see how Princeton C defend against the 6'9" center. Should be good practice for guarding Brodeur.
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Petrie
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12-30-16 07:23 PM - Post#217030
In response to bradley
The phrase "guarding Brodeur" makes me squeamish. Really hoping it's not 4 years of frustration and heartbreak. Although couldn't be much worse than what Penn's last big guy did to us.
As far Cal Poly is concerned, whatever it takes to best prepare for Penn - do that.
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12-31-16 09:03 AM - Post#217074
In response to Petrie
13.5pt spread --- seems like a large spread. Vegas has been more confident in Tigers than the results y-t-d suggest.
Use Cal Poly to get ready for the opening 3 IL games at home -- Penn, Brown and Yale as you suggest. It was interesting watching Sydney Johnson coach against Penn yesterday. Strange career move going to Fairfield but hopes that it works out as he is still only 42 years old. Appears that Henderson has recruited well during his tenure although he still has not won a IL title like Johnson.
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-31-16 09:16 AM - Post#217075
In response to Petrie
The phrase "guarding Brodeur" makes me squeamish. Really hoping it's not 4 years of frustration and heartbreak. Although couldn't be much worse than what Penn's last big guy did to us.
Yes it could. Brodeur looks like a real matchup problem for us, even more than DNH. Who guards him??
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bradley
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12-31-16 09:38 AM - Post#217077
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
After watching the first five minutes of the second half (Fairfield/Penn), it is a tutorial of how not to guard Brodeur. I am pretty sure that Princeton will be able to take away his outside game with long arms and getting in his face unlike Fairfield. He will present challenges with his inside spins although long arms and having 15+ fouls to give will help. Miller and Brennan will provide the best defense with possibly Arirguzoh.
He is obviously a very good freshmen player and may well win RIL OY. Tigers will need to stop him and Howard and let anyone else try to beat them. Penn plays better defense than in the past although Fairfield had their fair share of wide open shots. Quakers will be a challenge but they were a challenge even when they were not very good.
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JadwinGeorge
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12-31-16 10:26 AM - Post#217083
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Johnson's "strange career move" prompted by an entirely different compensation opportunity. He is paid north of $490k. I am sure he felt frustrated as well that he would not be able to recruit in the same pool as Amaker, but he WOULD be expected to compete with him every year. In that he has been proven accurate. I think Henderson is 3-7 against Harvard.
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12-31-16 10:29 AM - Post#217084
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Scheduling Cal Poly right before the Ivy season is a great move. Cal Poly presents very much an Ivy-type challenge in terms of their competitive level. To get the max benefit from this match-up the Tigers need to beat the spread, especially at Jadwin.
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12-31-16 10:37 AM - Post#217086
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Miller and Brennan will provide the best defense with possibly Arirguzoh.
I have seen Miles Stephens do a decent job against taller foes. He would of course need weak side help and aggressive double down on the entry pass.
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12-31-16 01:51 PM - Post#217101
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
So far, PU has looked best to me when making opponents uncomfortable on the perimeter by guarding in the ball-handler's face or by trapping. They've given up a fair number of easy baskets by running away from the guy with the ball or otherwise being soft on switches. I would like to see a lot of deflections and steels and diving for loose balls as well as a return to the defensive rebounding we saw before the last game.
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12-31-16 02:12 PM - Post#217105
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Looks like MH might have been reading the board. They've passed it inside to Miller early for a score. Of course, he then gets a very iffy block call where he is standing stationary and the dribbler runs into him.
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12-31-16 02:22 PM - Post#217106
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All three bigs have received and inside assist now. It looks pretty, up 9 with 11:19 left in the half. Toth is hitting from outside for the Mustangs, but the Tigers have done a great job of running him off the three-poiint line, forcing him to make long twos.
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12-31-16 02:32 PM - Post#217108
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29-17 with 7:19 left in the half. Brennan having a terrific stretch with a block, an assist, some rebounds, and a basket.
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12-31-16 02:40 PM - Post#217109
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Tigers killing the CPSLO on the boards, Cook and Weisz raining threes, up 14. Gladson getting worked over by the refs for some reason on invisible traveling calls, player control, and loose ball fouls,
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12-31-16 02:52 PM - Post#217111
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After both teams have a five-minute drought, Cannady with a buzzer-beating trey to give PU a 17-point halftime lead.
Terrific defense by the Tigers. Mustangs having to heave up no-hopers at the end of the shot clock and not getting any ORs. Their 5'-10" guard Fields and Toth are the only offensive options when they manage to create their own tough shots.
Brennan looking good, despite getting blocked on a dunk attempt by their 6'-8" guy. Ball movement is crisp and Cannady is showing PG instincts be limiting his shot attempts as others get hot.
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12-31-16 03:10 PM - Post#217112
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Up 20 early in the second. Mustangs have scored on some good individual moves with high degree of difficulty, but the D is stifling for the Tigers, still forcing bad shots. Offensively, the inside game has opened up the perimeter for PU, with guys being left all alone for trey attempts.
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12-31-16 03:18 PM - Post#217114
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Lead down to 15 after a 7-0 run for CPSLO based on Tiger turnovers and Mustang big guy Gordon showing his fifth-year senior ability against Gladson and Brennan inside.
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12-31-16 03:30 PM - Post#217115
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Back to a 22-point lead with 7:00 left. Seeing multiple bigs on the floor at once, Stephens running the offense out of the high post, and lots of other interesting stuff. Cook is going nuts from three, 6-9.
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12-31-16 03:36 PM - Post#217116
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Not letting up on D as the subs come in, while shooting lights out from three. Young and Cannady bombing from outside in a lineup with four PGs on the floor at once.
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12-31-16 03:57 PM - Post#217117
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Excellent finish to the game, winning by 29 and leading wire to wire. Good tune-up for league play against a team that I think was made to look worse than it normally plays.
18-32 from two, 13-23 from three, with 23 assists and 14 ORs on 24 missed shots is going to look good anytime. Holding the opponent, which specializes in three-point shooting, to 3-19 from beyond the arc is great, especially with only allowing 11 ORs for them on all 35 of their missed shots. Contrary to my analysis pre-game, the Tigers accomplished their D without forcing many TOs at all--only 4 for the game.
If the bigs can stay involved against Penn, that will make life much easier. Brennan and Miller looked quite good today.
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12-31-16 04:39 PM - Post#217119
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Good news to hear that Brennan is FINALLY coming around and that we were going inside more. I'm looking forward to the rebroadcast. I'm a little nervous when we are so sharp at threes at home as it seems to turn around on the road.
Penn was tough as hell last year. They sound much improved this year. We certainly cannot take anything for granted anymore.
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bradley
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12-31-16 06:00 PM - Post#217129
In response to Tiger69
One of their best performances although the competition was not as strong as I thought. Excellent ball movement at the beginning of the game -- they worked outside/in and inside/out. Brennan had a strong 1st half performance. Cannady has shifted his role from shooter/scorer to PG/scorer when needed.
Cook and Weisz are on a good roll; they are playing consistent BB. When the two of them hit 3 pt shots with Cannady and Stephens, the offense becomes tough to defend against. Even when the Tigers played BYU, VCU and Monmouth, they got good looks. Cal game was the toughest to get off their shots although the Tigers probably had their strongest defensive effort against Cal.
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Petrie
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12-31-16 08:59 PM - Post#217137
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Miller, Brennan, Gladson, Arrig.(?) combined for 18 points, 12 rebounds in 42 minutes. I'll take that every night. I thought they looked great today; makes me much more confident they can give Penn what they deserve.
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Petrie
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01-01-17 05:27 AM - Post#217141
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Oops, the combined post stats also include 8 fouls. Oh well.
Still, if center by committee gives us double figure scoring and rebounding from the position I'm all for it
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bradley
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01-01-17 10:53 AM - Post#217144
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Centers played very well other than Gladson who had an off game -- he looked like a freshmen. Other than Hawaii, Tigers had their strongest performance with Cook, Weisz, Cannady, Brennan, Stephens and Taylor playing very well. Moving the ball and defensive intensity all game are the keys to success.
Not sure how everyone else feels but if the Tigers would win only the IL regular season or conference tournament, which one? Probably have four or possibly five teams to be really competitive for IL tournament qualification and two or three teams for IL regular season. Hopefully, Tigers could win both but it will be very challenging for any IL team to win both this year.
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01-01-17 12:38 PM - Post#217147
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I like them better for the regular season than the tournament. The high variance for teams living by the 3 makes it difficult to put together two games in a row with hot shooting.
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01-01-17 01:50 PM - Post#217151
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
No brainer. IL first. Even if we don't get NCAA bid. The Champion is the most successful 14 game competitor. If someone else wins the "Play-In", I hope to be in the Palestra to throw pizza at them (unless, of course, they are men enough to concede the Dance to the rightful Champion and take some lesser tournament spot as their additional reward). If Harvard, Yale or Franklin wins the league and we Tigers win the stupid tourney, I believe that we should do likewise and go NIT or whoever invites us.
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01-01-17 08:41 PM - Post#217162
In response to Tiger69
I prefer that we win the playoffs. The 14 game tournament has been reduced to the "regular season," winning it should be accorded the same priority as other sports do, but further discounting it since that home field advantage does not attach to it.
Strategically, while one plays to win every game, I do think that there will be important coaching decisions if a team has clinched a playoff spot - in terms of lineups, tactics, etc, in "meaningless games" In this mini-tourney, each playoff spot isn't that different that the other.
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penn nation
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01-01-17 09:07 PM - Post#217163
In response to umbrellaman
Strategically, while one plays to win every game, I do think that there will be important coaching decisions if a team has clinched a playoff spot - in terms of lineups, tactics, etc, in "meaningless games" In this mini-tourney, each playoff spot isn't that different that the other.
I can see some controversies over this--if Harvard might take it "easy" on Penn in the regular season finale, for example, I can see some other teams complaining if it might have an impact on the final four that make it.
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01-01-17 09:22 PM - Post#217165
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Yes, this is another huge flaw in the tourney/folly. In the power conferences they have the opposite problem, that lots of teams in the tourney don't need to win to get in and consciously or unconsciously tank, letting their lesser members advance and get cheap wins that the committee counts as "quality."
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01-01-17 09:54 PM - Post#217166
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As I've been suggesting for years, a tournament for a single bid league is ill advised. In the hope that we might get a second invite to the big dance, we've gutted the regular season, among other things. Likely, the only game that really matters this year is already known to be noon on Saturday, March 11th. The games the day before are important in determining who plays in the final. Otherwise, HYPP need to stay healthy and get the freshmen experience.
Sad
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bradley
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01-01-17 10:05 PM - Post#217167
In response to Tiger69
I would imagine that Weisz and Cook would prefer to win the IL Tournament so that they can participate at the Big Dance if they knew that it was an either or although I suspect that they will give it their all to win both. They may have a different perspective in 20 years when they return the campus and see a IL regular season banner vs. a IL tournament banner if it turns out that way.
I suspect that the accomplishment of winning a 14 game tournament vs. a 2 game less than 24 hour tournament will be looked upon fondly by the IL regular season champ down the road.
Hopefully, the winner of this year's regular season; whoever that may be, also wins the inaugural tournament from my perspective.
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01-01-17 10:12 PM - Post#217168
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I think you're off by a day. Thank you Ivy League for scheduling the final on a Sunday; this MOT will now be able to view it!
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01-01-17 11:06 PM - Post#217169
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Thanks for the correction. I'll have to revise my calendar.
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umbrellaman
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01-02-17 03:13 PM - Post#217193
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I think I've pitched the idea before, I think the CFP reminded me of this. Why not have an automatic bid for the league - but have the committee choose between the regular season and the tourney champ. So if you want to be guaranteed a spot you need to win both, but otherwise the tournament will choose the better team. Other team gets to go to the NIT.
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01-02-17 03:17 PM - Post#217195
In response to umbrellaman
Why assume the NIT would automatically take the 2nd team? It might in certain years, but that's no certainty. In which case, there's not much point in having that tournament.
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bradley
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01-03-17 09:47 AM - Post#217238
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Regular season is right around the corner. First three games are home against Penn, Brown and Yale -- challenging games based on non-conference play. Penn game is always a great rivalry game with unpredictable outcome.
Yale game may be the toughest home game of the season based on their play to date. Coach Jones has done an amazing job in the aftermath of losing Sears, Sherrod, Victor and Mason. They play hard, tough and smart plus they have two outstanding freshmen. Yale will probably be dangerous in the regular season and tournament although they are not deep on the bench. With Mason back next year, it appears that Jones will keep the Bulldogs program competitive. He has received a fair amount of criticism in prior years which he is putting to rest.
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01-03-17 11:02 AM - Post#217241
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I think James Jones has improved as a coach. In years past his teams frequently seemed to be weak on fundamentals, and I don't think his offensive and defensive schemes were as effective as they could have been. What's more, his players were often overly aggressive and out of control. That seems to have changed. I guess people really can learn and grow.
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JadwinGeorge
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01-03-17 05:46 PM - Post#217274
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Makes sense but then why play the tournament at all?
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umbrellaman
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01-04-17 01:43 AM - Post#217301
In response to JadwinGeorge
The idea is that the tournament games would "count more" So, las year as an example, Yale, Princeton, Columbia all would get the bid with a tourney win, sub .500 Harvard would not.
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SomeGuy
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01-04-17 09:26 AM - Post#217306
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I guess it depends on what you mean by fundamentals. To me, Jones has been remarkably consistent as a coach. They always finish top four, and they always rebound well. They develop big men better than anyone else in the league. I think what you are seeing now is the culmination of years of consistency (plus some recruiting advantages that have increased in recent years). Yes, they have always played physically and aggressively. I think that's part of the development.
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